i guess what i'm saying is that actually i DO think this part worked because it shows bond as a flawed character willing to give in to suspicions planted by baddies; his 'trust no one' past can't really ever be shaken off etc. i do think he is being very dim here and hot-headed (even for bond) but that's okay, it fits the plot and his character and the movie gives this misunderstanding the weight it deserves
other seismic events just slide by
― Tracer Hand, Monday, 18 October 2021 14:54 (two years ago) link
Blofeld didn't know though! when Bond is interviewing him, he said he just knew by instinct that Bond would eventually visit her grave. and he apparently was paying his stooges to be on standby in case he ever showed up.
After the bomb explodes, Bond goes into the building next to the cemetery, finds the employee who helped him to Vesper's grave no longer there, with the phone off the hook, and the young boy that showed him to the grave smiles at him knowingly, as he's in on it too (he knows the cars are about to come up the hill, I am guessing). So presumably the cemetery employee called SPECTRE's local stooges as soon as Bond showed up, then ran away to avoid being caught up in a shootout.
Of course it's farfetched but not within the Bond world - that's very much in line with other Bond films, SPECTRE has people on standby who can show up in minutes to gun down Bond as soon as someone calls to alert them.
― Gardyloominati (Neanderthal), Monday, 18 October 2021 14:55 (two years ago) link
listen, blofeld’s plot in ohmss, the best bond movie ever, is silly and doesn’t make any sense
comes with the territory
― STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Monday, 18 October 2021 14:56 (two years ago) link
Of course it's farfetched but not within the Bond world - that's very much in line with other Bond films
definitely. but bond blames his wife
― Tracer Hand, Monday, 18 October 2021 14:58 (two years ago) link
otoh I agree that think Safin's plans weren't all that clear - what is obvious is that his list has millions of people on it, to target with the killer nanobots, so he does plan to kill/subjugate millions of people, but for what purpose is unclear. the Wikipedia summary surmised it as "create a New World Order", but I suspect he's just sociopathic based on his whole family being killed rather than having plans to create a one government planet in which he is the ruler.
― Gardyloominati (Neanderthal), Monday, 18 October 2021 14:58 (two years ago) link
xpost because in his mind, Blofeld (who is new in this universe, and not a long-established nemesis) was less likely to be angry/bored enough to pay people to live near a cemetery in Italy in case Bond ever showed up as opposed to Occam's Razor saying his wife sold him out. esp since his previous girlfriend practically did the same thing (although not so much getting him killed, she just absconded with the money and pretended to be in love with him).
― Gardyloominati (Neanderthal), Monday, 18 October 2021 15:00 (two years ago) link
this movie probably did have the best 'bond. james bond' moment ever tbf
― Tracer Hand, Monday, 18 October 2021 15:19 (two years ago) link
i guess i can talk in detail about this movie now, one of the things i really loved is the opening shot bringing to mind the severnaya levels of goldeneye 007
― STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Monday, 18 October 2021 15:24 (two years ago) link
also whenever the action got roger moore ott, that was my shit
Did the movie explain how Safin could afford to build the secret base and have an army of henchmen (who didn't bleed when shot because PG-13)? I must have glazed over when that bit of exposition happened, in whichever movie it occurred.
― Profiles in Liquid Courage (WmC), Monday, 18 October 2021 15:26 (two years ago) link
he was an early investor in Bitcoin
― Gardyloominati (Neanderthal), Monday, 18 October 2021 15:26 (two years ago) link
One thing I've been turning over in my mind would be comparing the reactions in the alternate universe between the 'engineered plague is unleashed out of East Asia' plot between if this had been the last big movie out before worldwide lockdown -- which it almost was by just a couple of weeks -- versus now.
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 18 October 2021 15:27 (two years ago) link
yeah the “accidentally killing someone by touching them” thing vibrated weirdly
― Tracer Hand, Monday, 18 October 2021 15:31 (two years ago) link
i was like damn they filmed this two years before covid and it’s got intense covid themes
― STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Monday, 18 October 2021 15:33 (two years ago) link
SPECTRE is now out, so they will be replaced in next film by the Socialist Humanist Autonomist Radical Troops
― Gardyloominati (Neanderthal), Monday, 18 October 2021 15:41 (two years ago) link
4th film: ... a division of SPECTRE Enterprises
― maf you one two (maffew12), Monday, 18 October 2021 15:42 (two years ago) link
Nah it'll be some sort terror plot via radioactive NFTs.
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 18 October 2021 15:52 (two years ago) link
Anyway my favorite 'where the fuck IS this' moment was the first shot of the coastal island highway and then when the film revealed it was Norway I was all "Oh...that makes sense."
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 18 October 2021 15:53 (two years ago) link
yeah that highway was wild
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 18 October 2021 16:15 (two years ago) link
i wanna ride itoh my fjord
― Gardyloominati (Neanderthal), Monday, 18 October 2021 16:18 (two years ago) link
the one downside to Billy Magnusson being in any movie is you always know if he's playing a good guy he's going to wind up being an actual bad guy.
― Gardyloominati (Neanderthal), Monday, 18 October 2021 16:20 (two years ago) link
007 is a black woman? bond is fighting AGAINST her?Actually, Commander Bond gave her the lead, sir
― bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Monday, 18 October 2021 16:51 (two years ago) link
that was a CIA vs MI6 thing and Bond only took the CIA's side because he was appalled at M allowing the development of the nanobot techonlogy
― Gardyloominati (Neanderthal), Monday, 18 October 2021 16:55 (two years ago) link
i know. but in the film it’s just a plot mechanic. seems like it would merit more “wtf”ness, deal-making, atonement… something
― Tracer Hand, Monday, 18 October 2021 16:59 (two years ago) link
something else about these (that i'm sure i'm not the first to mention) is that they nearly always seem to want to put about 5 movies worth of location and circumstance into the same movie. the boat, the red lights, the short, ugly fight, felix... all that was beautiful and incredible. santiago, the vibe there, the federales, the rooftop escape, ana de armas.. man i would have liked a whole movie of that.
― Tracer Hand, Monday, 18 October 2021 19:53 (two years ago) link
the running bit of every female spy going “no, I am NOT trying to seduce you, Bond!” was subtle enough that it played, imo
― mh, Wednesday, 20 October 2021 16:25 (two years ago) link
the running bit of how we should care what his agent number is was dreadful
― maf you one two (maffew12), Wednesday, 20 October 2021 16:26 (two years ago) link
so dumb. especially the "I bet you thought they'd retire it." uhh yeah he thought he was so great that they would permanently reduce their entire workforce by 11% in order to... make up for not having him anymore?
― bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Wednesday, 20 October 2021 16:47 (two years ago) link
cute enough 1 time but they returned to it a bunch of times lol
― maf you one two (maffew12), Wednesday, 20 October 2021 16:49 (two years ago) link
idk i feel like there are plenty of numbers xp
― STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Wednesday, 20 October 2021 16:50 (two years ago) link
it's not necessarily 11% there's an 0012 mentioned in one of the books
― mark s, Wednesday, 20 October 2021 16:52 (two years ago) link
tho, ngl, i was annoyed not to know Bond's new, temporary number
― maf you one two (maffew12), Wednesday, 20 October 2021 16:53 (two years ago) link
0069
― Gardyloominati (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 20 October 2021 16:54 (two years ago) link
oh hell yeah
― maf you one two (maffew12), Wednesday, 20 October 2021 16:54 (two years ago) link
“No fade” is a great nickname for that guy xp
― Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Wednesday, 20 October 2021 17:05 (two years ago) link
ty mark - turns out this was 0011, in Moonraker
― bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Wednesday, 20 October 2021 17:07 (two years ago) link
I hated this but loved Ana De Armas
― flamboyant goon tie included, Thursday, 21 October 2021 05:00 (two years ago) link
do they ever determine if there was any time to die?
― When Young Sheldon began to rap (forksclovetofu), Friday, 22 October 2021 04:28 (two years ago) link
Around 2:45pm EST
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 22 October 2021 05:13 (two years ago) link
big doings are just barely acknowledged. 007 is a black woman? bond is fighting AGAINST her? the bioweapon was actually developed by MI6? bond finally gets the baddie? (several times?) any of these things could have been the organising principle for great moments of high leverage and difficult choices but they just.... happen.
i couldn't disagree with this more. i hate it when movies dwell on big doings, i really appreciated how they just kept this one moving along like its nbd
― flopson, Saturday, 23 October 2021 00:04 (two years ago) link
yeah same. especially in Bond
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 23 October 2021 00:12 (two years ago) link
lol guys i’m not talking about making everything weepy and “meaningful” like skyfall i’m talking about basic dramatic techniques for generating suspense and interest
― Tracer Hand, Saturday, 23 October 2021 00:29 (two years ago) link
nope sorry yr overruled
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 23 October 2021 01:00 (two years ago) link
lol
I saw this last night and really enjoyed it. My first theater experience since Invisible Man. I rank it just below CR in the Craig Bond canon.
I do have some nitpicks to mention:
- The ineffective bomb followed by the ineffective assassins -- another of Blofeld's harebrained schemes I guess. Too similar to the random hotel assassins they added to the Connery/Moore movies for my taste.
- Lucifer Boat's plan changing from the thematic targeting of families, to being a standard Bond villain.
- Bond conveniently running into a dangerous place instead of spending a few extra seconds to walk around it.
- The movie saying it's really Bond's child around 3 times, and expecting it to be a big reveal the third time.
― adam t. (abanana), Sunday, 24 October 2021 13:08 (two years ago) link
i forgot to mention another thing my 12-yo said that i had to stifle a laugh at. at the beginning where we see lea seydoux and bond in the water, at the beach, we pull out for a wide shot and he goes “wow, great colour grading”
― Tracer Hand, Sunday, 24 October 2021 13:47 (two years ago) link
Another nitpick: the Swann/Safin connection didn't amount to anything. Bond already had the Foxdie in him from the birthday party.
― adam t. (abanana), Sunday, 24 October 2021 14:23 (two years ago) link
i thought that was a different strain cooked up by obruchev on safin’s orders that just killed spectre agents (not sure how the dna part of that is supposed to work unless spectre is all related to each other…)
― Tracer Hand, Sunday, 24 October 2021 14:48 (two years ago) link
Foxdie
Thank you I was thinking about this the whole time
― flamboyant goon tie included, Sunday, 24 October 2021 15:04 (two years ago) link
looking forward to watching this on my phone and complaining about the dialogue
― When Young Sheldon began to rap (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 24 October 2021 15:17 (two years ago) link