Girls - What Does "Romance" Mean To You?

perhaps also personal? gifts that relate to chores can be a drag.

(xpost to Fluffy Bear)

I have gotten much better at the whole folding the clothes thing, but I am definitely the designated ironer in our house. My gf can't iron to save her life. She bats her eyes at me and her voice gets all girlish and then she asks me to iron her shirt or a skirt or something - it's not exactly romantic.

I don't. I just find it confusing. :-( I suppose now I'm starting to see the anti-Balkanisation stance, when neutral threads are taken over by Balkans I'm not part of.

Yes. Evidence that the man is thinking about you and appreciating you, and understands that this appreciation should be expressed every now and then, not just assumed.

but aren't we talking about the forms that that evidence and expression should take? and are there certain forms of evidence and expression from which people "just assume" meaning?

Yes, because the "appreciation" statement you quoted above is completely correct and pretty much a given. There's nowhere to really go from there except concrete examples.

As for just assuming, for some people (traditionally men of a certain age and generation) the act of working a soul-killing, unfulfilling job all day in order to bring home regular paychecks is a kind of evidence...but it's not particularly romantic and it's actually terribly sad and unnecessary outside of, say, the gold mines of Cripple Creek, Colorado, and it would take a pretty grimly understanding kind of wife to accept that sacrifice and consider it "evidence" enough.

LE CUET!!!!!

Also, spontaneous actions can create a body of reference for future romance.

seriously, are these a universal aphrodesiac?
it's well documented that i would trade all i have and myself as well for a decent g.c.s.

CHRIS, WHO TOLD YOU THE SEAN PENN THEORY?? Was it me? I can't remember.

i've known this since i was 12.

xpost yeah, of course, romance must be experienced through the agency of another, that's what relationships and romance and blahbittyblahblah are for god's sake, I mean the statement makes utterly no sense as it is phrased.

Fair enough, but I don't think the question implies that and I see no reason why the female perspective isn't legitimate or that targeting the question specifically to women isn't legitimate.

The really interesting question that you bring up would be to ask the ladies what they feel is romantic for THEM to do for their SOs.

Analz.

In other words, if we take "romance" as (mostly) defined in this thread, then of course men like it, if "it" is something unique to them or their partners. Finding the right lever to move a person is the whole POINT!

My mother thought it was incredibly sweet and said so. The thing is, she only found the watch. When she finally discovered the note about three years later (!), she pretty much burst into tears, she was so touched.

There's just something about unexpected romantic gestures even if it's three years late.

*Obviously no one I'd ever intended on marrying. That would be foolish.