― Tracey Hand (tracerhand), Saturday, 8 April 2006 02:39 (eighteen years ago) link
Those without experience in critical analysis of conventional doctrine can be very seriously misled by the particular case of the Middle East(ME).
i first i thort that chomsky was like "i.e. people like myself!"
― Tracey Hand (tracerhand), Saturday, 8 April 2006 02:42 (eighteen years ago) link
I think the paranoia of the authors (if that's what it is) is a natural result of attempts by defenders of Israel & its policies to intimidate academics. Perhaps the "Lobby" does not have the power to single-handedly move American foreign policy, but it does have the power to threaten academics. Universities have come under pressure for hiring Middle Eastern professors with pro-Palestinian views. There have been accusations of anti-Semitism against those professors who advocate these views in their classrooms at Columbia and other schools. It would only be natural for professors who are faced with these kinds of intimidation to over-estimate the influence of their attackers, especially when their views seem so disenfrachised from the political mainstream.
― o. nate (onate), Monday, 10 April 2006 17:13 (eighteen years ago) link
― o. nate (onate), Monday, 10 April 2006 17:14 (eighteen years ago) link
The title puns on one of Walt or Mearsheimers celebrated works.
― DV (dirtyvicar), Tuesday, 11 April 2006 08:20 (eighteen years ago) link
― DV (dirtyvicar), Tuesday, 11 April 2006 08:21 (eighteen years ago) link
― the bellefox, Tuesday, 11 April 2006 19:13 (eighteen years ago) link
The Storm over the Israel Lobby
― o. nate (onate), Friday, 26 May 2006 17:03 (eighteen years ago) link
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/07/12/AR2006071201627.html(free registration required)
And an online discussion with the author of the piece:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/discussion/2006/07/14/DI2006071400780.html
― o. nate (onate), Wednesday, 19 July 2006 23:20 (seventeen years ago) link
I wish I knew a way I could specifically contribute money against AIPAC.
― Abbadavid Berman (Hurting), Thursday, 20 July 2006 03:32 (seventeen years ago) link
http://www.tikkun.org/
― Abbadavid Berman (Hurting), Thursday, 20 July 2006 04:34 (seventeen years ago) link
― nicky lo-fi (nicky lo-fi), Thursday, 20 July 2006 06:23 (seventeen years ago) link
― Abbadavid Berman (Hurting), Thursday, 20 July 2006 12:49 (seventeen years ago) link
― DV (dirtyvicar), Thursday, 20 July 2006 13:11 (seventeen years ago) link
― Laurel (Laurel), Thursday, 20 July 2006 13:26 (seventeen years ago) link
― hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 20 July 2006 13:40 (seventeen years ago) link
Yes, that's true- I think it's important to remember that AIPAC is no more secretive or conspiratorial than any other lobbying organization. They make no effort to conceal their aims and activities. To call them a conspiracy would be improper, and -- due to the unfortunate history of anti-Semitic myths about Jewish international conspiracies -- anything that even hints of a conspiracy theory is sure to get some hackles up, and rightly so.
― o. nate (onate), Thursday, 20 July 2006 16:49 (seventeen years ago) link
The Iraq war is a great example - did the Israel lobby push for it? Yes. Were some of the neocons that supported it Jewish people who were big Israel supporters? Sure. But if you want to explain why we really went to war in Iraq, it's pretty obvious that you'd have to put energy security and business interests high on the list, followed maybe by the neocon policy of "spreading democracy" (making regions more U.S.-friendly). I mean Ahmed Chalabi did a lot to push the war too but no one's accusing anti-Baathist Iraqis of pulling all the strings.
― Abbadavid Berman (Hurting), Friday, 21 July 2006 01:52 (seventeen years ago) link
― Abbadavid Berman (Hurting), Friday, 21 July 2006 01:54 (seventeen years ago) link
uh, what? you do know about curveball or screwball or whatever the dude's codename was, right?
― hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 21 July 2006 06:10 (seventeen years ago) link
More later when I reach the chapter where he talks about the REAL REASON why USA wuvs teh Israel.
― DV (dirtyvicar), Friday, 11 August 2006 10:08 (seventeen years ago) link
I'd say the Lieberman loss is more evidence against the Walt-Mearshimer theory.
The Israel lobby is a powerful lobby, but I don't think it's "The" Lobby.
― A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Friday, 11 August 2006 14:00 (seventeen years ago) link
I wish someone would come up with a new explanation for the US-Israel friendship. what about the Lions and the Rotary Clubs? Hamas' charter fingers them, so they must be up to something.
― DV (dirtyvicar), Friday, 11 August 2006 14:02 (seventeen years ago) link
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― Hurting 2, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 18:38 (seventeen years ago) link
― Hurting 2, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 18:39 (seventeen years ago) link
The centrality of the Middle East for many "religious conservatives" is due to several factors: some religious conservatives see war against Muslims as a religious battle in defense of Christianity, some see it as necessary to secure the existence of a "Greater Israel" which many Christians believe is a prerequisite for the return of Jesus, while still others see bellicosity as a test of loyalty to the Cause or even as proof of one's belief in the exceptionalism of the tribe, whether the Tribe is "America," "Christianity," or "conservatism."
― TOMBOT, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 18:46 (seventeen years ago) link
― Hurting 2, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 18:48 (seventeen years ago) link
― The Real Dirty Vicar, Thursday, 17 May 2007 09:41 (seventeen years ago) link
― Catsupppppppppppppp dude 茄蕃, Thursday, 17 May 2007 22:58 (seventeen years ago) link
Walt was on Terry Gross just now. He was pretty reasonable and nuanced, much moreso, even, than he was in his own article in the LRB, which makes me wonder if he's either learned to be moreso, or if Mearsheimer is harsher.
They followed with Abe Foxman, but I had to turn it off because I couldn't stand listening to the man hyperventilate. He distorted everything Walt said, but I think he really believes his own distortions. I still came away thinking Walt overemphasizes the role of the Israel lobby and the impact of our support for Israel, but Walt maybe brought me a bit closer to his viewpoint.
― Hurting 2, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 19:56 (sixteen years ago) link
Looks like it's archived: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=14154082&ft=1&f=13
― Hurting 2, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 20:13 (sixteen years ago) link
Here's the Foxman part: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=14154089
― Hurting 2, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 20:14 (sixteen years ago) link