"we'll change the things that need changing and that's all we'll change": the paSUKification of post-brexit politics 2021

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The trusty “Webster’s dictionary” gambit beloved of high school word-padders everywhere

Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 29 September 2021 13:24 (four years ago)

I just want a nationality that isn't Kieth's

look on my guacs, ye mighty, and dis pear (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 29 September 2021 13:27 (four years ago)

It really is Iain Duncan Smith all over again.

Starmer: "Let the children boogie, let all the children boogie." (Tom D.), Wednesday, 29 September 2021 13:33 (four years ago)

Starmer says ‘family and work’ are 'the two sources of what I believe to be right and good'

some have pointed out it's an old Vichy slogan. The Vichy used to issue special awards to *decent* married French woman who birthed 10+ bairns. In the world he paints single people, childless people, the disabled, carers etc.. are just not pulling their weight and have no respectable place in society.

calzino, Wednesday, 29 September 2021 13:59 (four years ago)

Everything Starmer does is with the impeded confidence of a man who knows in three years about four-fifths of the UK press will be calling him a paedophile enabler. There's a certain dogged glory to the fact he can even get through speeches as his will to live visibly drains.

— Europe's Leading Soccer Futurologist (@TreborRhurbarb) September 29, 2021

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 29 September 2021 14:01 (four years ago)

people will just lie about anything won’t they?


I saw that McDonnell called Lammy out on this bullshit but it won’t matter, clearly this is the line they want to go with. It’s the same pusillanimous instinct that has them “admitting” that they caused the global financial crash by maxing out a credit card: winning voters’ trust by saying “voters don’t trust us and they are right not to trust us”. There’s no magic money tree. Inspiring stuff

siffleur’s mom (wins), Wednesday, 29 September 2021 14:13 (four years ago)

Thing is costing everything was playing their fucking game in the first place. Look at the US rn - it's just an excuse not to do anything.

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 29 September 2021 14:22 (four years ago)

He's going Full Heaney. You never go Full Heaney. pic.twitter.com/xwnEK7fYLI

— Elvis Buñuelo (@Mr_Considerate) September 29, 2021

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 29 September 2021 14:37 (four years ago)

i'm just spitballing, god forgive me, but i feel confident that the enormous majority of people who get exercised about whether Labour's policies are costed are people who will never vote Labour anyway

look on my guacs, ye mighty, and dis pear (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 29 September 2021 14:52 (four years ago)

Has any Starmer spokesperson even been arsed to pump out some "this is what non-nationalisation common ownership means". It's apparently "a world apart", but this other world is a complete mystery https://t.co/TXNJPw6al1

— Solomon Hughes (@SolHughesWriter) September 29, 2021

no explanation or pressing to explain the distinction between Common Ownership and Nationalisation he meant - just using words like they don't mean a thing

calzino, Wednesday, 29 September 2021 14:55 (four years ago)

on the other hand i'm never sure if the kind of pablum in Kieth's speech is

a) the kind of pablum his people believe in
b) the kind of pablum they think voters believe in, but they use it to try and achieve their pathetically small vision of managed slightly less nasty charity capitalism
c) the kind of pablum they think voters believe in and they use it because they believe in nothing except self-advancement
d) some other shit combination of those 3 plus god knows what

look on my guacs, ye mighty, and dis pear (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 29 September 2021 14:56 (four years ago)

no explanation or pressing to explain the distinction between Common Ownership and Nationalisation he meant - just using words like they don't mean a thing

You can definitely argue that ‘common ownership’ could mean a co-op situation where workers, rather than the government, own the industries. I think Nandy has made a move in that direction in the past. The reluctance to clarify is presumably because Starmer doesn’t believe in that version either.

Scampo di tutti i Scampi (ShariVari), Wednesday, 29 September 2021 15:38 (four years ago)

he's certainly not arguing about the philosophical differences between different ways of removing capitalist bosses

look on my guacs, ye mighty, and dis pear (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 29 September 2021 15:43 (four years ago)

never trust a cunt who conflates "work" with "wage slavery" basically

look on my guacs, ye mighty, and dis pear (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 29 September 2021 15:45 (four years ago)

'we will not nationalise' (blurts some clever crack about common ownership)

"Fuel crisis: three more UK energy firms go bust, as government mobilises reserve tanker fleet and army"

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 29 September 2021 15:58 (four years ago)

How disgusting KS is.

the pinefox, Wednesday, 29 September 2021 16:00 (four years ago)

The trusty “Webster’s dictionary” gambit beloved of high school word-padders everywhere

― Tracer Hand, Wednesday, September 29, 2021

Brilliant Tracer!

the pinefox, Wednesday, 29 September 2021 16:00 (four years ago)

Had a surreal experience this morning when the hotel I was in was evacuated and I found myself sitting in another with a bunch of lobby journalists (Paul Waugh, Patrick Maguire). They were going on about how shit ‘the party’ was. https://t.co/74o7G9b8kf

— Tom Williams (@shirleymush) September 29, 2021

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 29 September 2021 17:43 (four years ago)

Watching the BBC news tonight, LK's coverage of the Starmer speech is the most transparently agenda-setting propaganda I've seen, even from her, then a series of brexitland vox pops from Durley fucking North, jfc burn the country down.

edited to reflect developments which occurred (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Wednesday, 29 September 2021 21:15 (four years ago)

This is fucking grim pic.twitter.com/NWL0UjJyVn

— Politics of NV (@politicsofnv) September 29, 2021

symsymsym, Thursday, 30 September 2021 02:30 (four years ago)

Brutal assessment.

So much more he could've said. The row over pay, the disgusting inversion of the BLM slogan, promising more cops to protect women the moment a cop is sentenced for the murder of one. The disaffiliation of a founding union from Labour (did it happen under Kinnock?)

https://amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/sep/29/keir-starmer-support-politician-national-mood?

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 30 September 2021 07:21 (four years ago)

I mean.

This is fucking grim pic.twitter.com/NWL0UjJyVn

— Politics of NV (@politicsofnv) September 29, 2021

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 30 September 2021 07:45 (four years ago)

Sorry sym lol just didn't see that tweet load in time..

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 30 September 2021 07:46 (four years ago)

just heard the ludicrous ham trying to blame "overpromising" in the manifesto and anti-Semitism, that Jermy Crobwyn etc.. as the factors behind 2019's defeat rather than properly cop for his cack-handed brexit policy. Say what you like about Jermy but he was good at talking to real people on the level and LISTENING to them.

calzino, Thursday, 30 September 2021 08:00 (four years ago)

6 and 9 points behind in two of the latest polls during a national fuel crisis with people feighting to the death on petrol station forecourts

calzino, Thursday, 30 September 2021 08:18 (four years ago)

But what you've got to understand is that when surveyed lots of these people hadn't yet heard Keir talk about how machine learning can cater for individual work styles https://t.co/Qs5iVyBjZd

— Alex Niven (@Alex_Niven) September 30, 2021

calzino, Thursday, 30 September 2021 08:22 (four years ago)

This headline from The Sun is something else.

the fact that the s*n of all places is publishing this is not nothing -- now is the time to make the abolitionist argument, not just by yelling 'abolish the police' which still sounds like nonsense to most people, but by meticulously building our case against policing https://t.co/bBLZ4TP42N

— Sita Balani (@sitainshort) September 30, 2021

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 30 September 2021 12:54 (four years ago)

Very heavy caveat around The Sun’s suggestion that the police need reasonable grounds to stop and search you.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/jul/27/met-police-increased-use-of-section-60-stop-and-search-during-lockdown

It’s good that they’re highlighting this, though. The majority of stop and searches are not done with ‘reasonable suspicion’, they’re recorded as voluntary iirc, as people don’t know they have the right to refuse.

Scampo di tutti i Scampi (ShariVari), Thursday, 30 September 2021 13:46 (four years ago)

And as so many videos/testimonies show, the police are expert at escalating any situation to 'reasonable suspicion' through any act of non-compliance

plax (ico), Thursday, 30 September 2021 15:00 (four years ago)

65% of the public supports raising the minimum wage to £15/hr, according to a new poll by
@Survation
and
@Autonomy_UK

bad news for Starmer, most people don't believe a reasonable minimum wage is an "insensible policy"

calzino, Thursday, 30 September 2021 15:51 (four years ago)

Not the people who matter

look on my guacs, ye mighty, and dis pear (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 30 September 2021 15:58 (four years ago)

they could learn some useful lessons from 2017 i. if they were remotely interested in improving people's lives ii. and they hadn't completely expunged 2017 from their memories.

calzino, Thursday, 30 September 2021 16:16 (four years ago)

Starmer is too right-wing even for Harriet Harman.

Keir Starmer defended Cressida Dick on @GMB this morning https://t.co/jFgmJVuL0R

— John Rentoul (@JohnRentoul) September 30, 2021

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 30 September 2021 18:05 (four years ago)

I think he's still committed to what he saw as his DPP remit to protect CD from public scrutiny/accountability (again) at any cost. What a fucking fraudulent cop loving coward.

calzino, Friday, 1 October 2021 07:51 (four years ago)

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/sep/30/breaking-promises-keir-starmer-power-new-labour-political-strategists

I don’t know how much of a ‘soft left’ there is in the PLP these days but Jones is probably correct that their heads are on the block next.

Starmer’s crew are briefing the press that they want Miliband gone ASAP.

Scampo di tutti i Scampi (ShariVari), Friday, 1 October 2021 09:23 (four years ago)

He is progressive on the issues that matter to all of us though:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2021/09/30/next-james-bond-should-woman-says-sir-keir-starmer/

Starmer: "Let the children boogie, let all the children boogie." (Tom D.), Friday, 1 October 2021 09:25 (four years ago)

Ed seems quite popular, something Starmer never will be. I mean could you imagine Kieth doing a radio 2 slot and it going down very well with the public.

calzino, Friday, 1 October 2021 09:29 (four years ago)

he's so cringeworthy and condescending. It reminds me of him at that hustings when he clapped with a patronising "well done" because RLB answered a piss easy pub quiz football question correctly.

calzino, Friday, 1 October 2021 09:35 (four years ago)

I heard the thing about a female bond but thought he'd demanded a female BOD

https://www.doyouremember.co.uk/uploads/raw-1347357284.jpg

conrad, Friday, 1 October 2021 09:37 (four years ago)

LOL

Starmer: "Let the children boogie, let all the children boogie." (Tom D.), Friday, 1 October 2021 09:39 (four years ago)

“My favourite Bond? I’d have to say the bond between family and nation, forged in the smithy of hard work and fair play."

— Elvis Buñuelo (@Mr_Considerate) September 30, 2021

Piedie Gimbel, Friday, 1 October 2021 10:07 (four years ago)

"Basildon Bond BOOM BOOM!!!"

Mark G, Friday, 1 October 2021 10:15 (four years ago)

paging matt DC
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/165101861521

Qamon (||||||||), Friday, 1 October 2021 10:55 (four years ago)

"successful"

The @Conservatives lead increases by 1 point after the Labour Party Conference despite a successful speech by Keir Starmer.

The latest numbers for the @OpiniumResearch/@ObserverUK poll.

Con 39% (-1)
Lab 35% (-2)
Lib Dem 8% (+1)
Green 6% (NC) pic.twitter.com/3qRkP3CSvD

— Opinium (@OpiniumResearch) October 2, 2021

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 2 October 2021 20:18 (four years ago)

they would have been at least +3 if they had locked Kieth in a chained box in the basement for the entire conference

calzino, Saturday, 2 October 2021 20:25 (four years ago)

what measure are they using for a successful speech?

look on my guacs, ye mighty, and dis pear (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 2 October 2021 20:46 (four years ago)

sorry comrade I missed your air quotes

look on my guacs, ye mighty, and dis pear (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 2 October 2021 20:47 (four years ago)

he reckons it wasn't a long speech but went on longer because of all the standing ovations(!!!), but the word counters say it was much longer than previous ones.

calzino, Saturday, 2 October 2021 20:53 (four years ago)

Didn’t these same people criticise Jeremy Corbyn as giving ‘Castroesque’ conference speeches even though these were much shorter?

the thin blue lying (suzy), Saturday, 2 October 2021 21:07 (four years ago)

Remember when you suggested that making sex workers into facilitators of crime and therefore increasing police interaction would keep us safer? https://t.co/b0tYnUXgr4

— Em (@grumpyhooker) October 2, 2021

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 2 October 2021 21:08 (four years ago)


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