let's just rename this one Chapo Stank House
― maf you one two (maffew12), Saturday, 25 September 2021 18:32 (two years ago) link
CHILDREN of U.S. diplomats have been getting Havana Syndrome.đ The response on this should be kinetic. https://t.co/5X1wg4KhKE— Eric Garland (@ericgarland) September 24, 2021
― papal hotwife (milo z), Tuesday, 28 September 2021 22:40 (two years ago) link
lol that guy
― mh, Wednesday, 29 September 2021 17:12 (two years ago) link
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/29/magazine/sopranos.html
apparently I'm one of the youth watching The Sopranos, having started the show a month or so ago
― mh, Wednesday, 29 September 2021 18:49 (two years ago) link
I think the youth should watch Wiseguy
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Wednesday, 29 September 2021 18:53 (two years ago) link
The Sopranos is no Deadwood
― papal hotwife (milo z), Wednesday, 29 September 2021 19:52 (two years ago) link
I also wonder if maybe there should be a separate thread for lefty pods & extended universe, etc that doesnât have the Chapo stink on it?
I vote yes - CTH drew me into this extended universe, and Iâm still a regular listener, but there are so many people out there actually thinking constructively and inclusively, without the class reductionism or the sneering cynicism and disdain for those who canât afford ideological purity. Theirs is not a large tent and thatâs fine, but it is probably not an ideal and definitely not a welcoming gateway for most people.
― thewufs, Thursday, 30 September 2021 01:23 (two years ago) link
and disdain for those who canât afford ideological purity.
lol, Chapo is the centrist wing of leftist podcasts these days
― papal hotwife (milo z), Thursday, 30 September 2021 01:25 (two years ago) link
Well yeah but you know what I mean
― thewufs, Thursday, 30 September 2021 01:28 (two years ago) link
Deadwood has morally complex characters where some of them (most!) are good peopleeveryone is absolutely terrible on The Sopranos but eyy what are ya gonna do
― mh, Thursday, 30 September 2021 02:29 (two years ago) link
xp to be honest, no I have no idea what "can't afford ideological purity" is ever supposed to mean aside from 'don't be mean to Democrats.'
― papal hotwife (milo z), Thursday, 30 September 2021 05:29 (two years ago) link
yeah I mean CHT clearly isnât for anyone but not sure if what theyâre selling is âideological purityâ. eg if people canât make fun of AOCâs ridiculous âpresentâ vote and her even more ridiculous statement about it then what are we even doing here (also âclass reductionismâ feels like a stretch but not a hill Iâm going to die on)
― caddy lac brougham? (will), Thursday, 30 September 2021 07:43 (two years ago) link
* for everyoneâIdeological purityâ is such a weird criticism to levy in 2021. I mean, we have it, and itâs absolutely bipartisan, but it only encompasses a few things: defense budgets, more money and weapons for Israel and Saudi Arabia, and that cops are actually good and just need moar Training and moar money for tanks. Thatâs it. Thatâs the âpurityâ. Question those and you will feel the ire of both parties and the mainstream media. Honestly I feel like âclass reductionismâ is handled in a similar manner. The *ONLY* talk about class in America, from either side of the aisle, is about the âmiddle classâ, which tbh is some real horseshit concocted to keep folks scraping by on $65k thinking that their solidarity really ought to be with the Jeff Bezos and Elon Musks. The notion of a âworking classâ is essentially (and often erroneously) employed as a shorthand for white union guys in the Midwest who voted for Trumpâwhen the reality in 2031 is itâs more likely to be a woman of color, raising children alone and working more than one job, probably in the gig economy. âŚa gig economy where consultants making $650k a year (incl former Obama golden boys) are going to make damn sure are never able to organize or see any kind of job-based benefits. So yeah, we have âideological purityâ and âclass reductionismâ, just not in the way that people typically mean.
― caddy lac brougham? (will), Thursday, 30 September 2021 14:03 (two years ago) link
I'd be surprised if thewuf's mention of ideological purity had anything to do with the democrats tbh, this being a podcast thing I assumed it was about intra-internet leftist infighting
― Daniel_Rf, Thursday, 30 September 2021 14:13 (two years ago) link
yeah, the FTV, "the Squad are Sell-outs" stuff, I imagine
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Thursday, 30 September 2021 14:19 (two years ago) link
ah well, my bad if so. Iâve personally not heard them go after other podcasters (lol) for doing Leftism wrong, but I also donât really do Twitter so possibly Iâve missed it. I do however see party leaders and online centrists constantly berate lefties about it, talking about how the âperfect can be the enemy of the goodââwhen itâs becoming theyâre not even really ever going to do anything Good.
― caddy lac brougham? (will), Thursday, 30 September 2021 14:25 (two years ago) link
AOC is the only one Iâve really seen get any heat, and IMO deservedly so
― caddy lac brougham? (will), Thursday, 30 September 2021 14:26 (two years ago) link
Some went after Nina Turner too
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Thursday, 30 September 2021 14:40 (two years ago) link
Ilhan Omar Gaslights Supporters Over Support Of Stimulus & Biden. https://t.co/aAbahHGK88 via @YouTube— Jimmy Dore (@jimmy_dore) April 11, 2020
etc.
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Thursday, 30 September 2021 14:47 (two years ago) link
But heâs talking about Chapo, not the other podcasts. CTH isnât doing any of that stuff, they hadnât mentioned AOC in months before the Iron Dome vote/barely acknowledged the FTV foolishness/etc.
― papal hotwife (milo z), Thursday, 30 September 2021 15:30 (two years ago) link
yeah I still donât even know what Jimmy Dore is
― caddy lac brougham? (will), Thursday, 30 September 2021 15:31 (two years ago) link
we were talking about intra-leftist infighting
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Thursday, 30 September 2021 15:34 (two years ago) link
Chapo is basically agnostic on this stuff
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Thursday, 30 September 2021 15:35 (two years ago) link
That's why I don't know what "disdain for those who canât afford ideological purity" means - they're not taking part in the intra-leftist infighting and they're barely talked shit about Democrats, so either direction is a 'huh' to me.
Unless it's residual criticism re: Warren snake emoji stuff, but 2020 was like 12 years ago let it go.
― papal hotwife (milo z), Thursday, 30 September 2021 15:46 (two years ago) link
Iâm sure this guy is fine (I will NOT look him up or read anything) but I am uneasy thinking about an era where world leaders start looking like people at our live shows https://t.co/C8qzniQQrv— cloud goblin (@ByYourLogic) September 30, 2021
― papal hotwife (milo z), Thursday, 30 September 2021 16:58 (two years ago) link
Jesus Christ I didnât actually mean that term literally, I almost didnât write it because I knew it was the wrong words but I was grasping and I couldnât think of anything that captured what I was trying to get at in the moment. It was more about judging the compromises a lot of people have to make, choices these dudes donât have to make because of their privilege.
― thewufs, Thursday, 30 September 2021 17:11 (two years ago) link
But others have been through this hand wringing here before and Iâm not here to do that, nor to criticize (or for that matter defend) CTH. Itâs been done. I was just trying to just flesh out my support for Willâs suggestion that maybe we should be drawing more attention to other lefty podcasts - which in practice has already been happening here for a long while but another thread with a new name would make it more visible
― thewufs, Thursday, 30 September 2021 17:19 (two years ago) link
will mennaker blocked me on twitter for some reason and, 2 me, that is pretty hilarious
― gbx, Thursday, 30 September 2021 17:23 (two years ago) link
jimmy dore sucks ass
― flopson, Thursday, 30 September 2021 23:29 (two years ago) link
dismissed him after that time he read up on right-wing Brazilian smear campaign Lava Jacto and was all "we should have something like this in the US! to weed out corruption!"
― Daniel_Rf, Friday, 1 October 2021 10:45 (two years ago) link
@thewufs - I apologize bc reading back it seems like I was going in on you specifically and that really was not my intent! but yes perhaps another thread would be useful, as this title alone may be a deterrent for some posters
― caddy lac brougham? (will), Friday, 1 October 2021 12:26 (two years ago) link
yeah, it was a bit weird that this was the only thread where we talked about Michael Brooks' death, even though he was barely associated with Chapo
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Friday, 1 October 2021 13:56 (two years ago) link
And Chapo hosts as guests were how I first started watching TMBS in 2018, I think.
― Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish), Friday, 1 October 2021 14:44 (two years ago) link
I guess it was my idea but Iâll let someone gifted with witty pun titles have at
― caddy lac brougham? (will), Friday, 1 October 2021 14:49 (two years ago) link
^I mean christ I canât even post
No offense taken. And of course I share your frustration with the disappearance of class politics from mainstream discourse and the disintegration of class consciousness in this country. I was trying to summarize what probably puts a lot of people off of Chapo, mostly. I resorted to outdated/inaccurate terms to do so because I had a class to teach and I wanted to hit "submit post" and make my point. Also, linguistic precision is fucking hard, and my brain is fucking slow.
― thewufs, Friday, 1 October 2021 15:39 (two years ago) link
I've never seen anyone who owns up to being a Jimmy Dore viewer. He gets a lot of views so they're definitely out there but they don't seem to crow about it. (or it's all hate views now)
― papal hotwife (milo z), Friday, 1 October 2021 15:47 (two years ago) link
He seems to have gamed the Youtube algorithm with constant drama
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Friday, 1 October 2021 15:59 (two years ago) link
I occasionally see screencaps from his show on Twitter and have the same âhow could anyone stand to watch this man for hoursâ reaction that I have with Tucker Carlson.
― JoeStork, Friday, 1 October 2021 16:07 (two years ago) link
but back on the Chapo tip, just finished up Hell of Presidents and throughly enjoyed it. Pretty masterfully done IMO. Highly recommend, even if you donât want to commit to the whole saga. You could probably hop in on the FDR ep or even JFK and get a lot out of it.
― caddy lac brougham? (will), Friday, 1 October 2021 16:08 (two years ago) link
I watched Hasan Piker's twitch stream the other day and was completely dumbfounded as to how this dude has tens of thousands of viewers every stream
― officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Friday, 1 October 2021 19:24 (two years ago) link
Deadlifting tips and tricks.
― papal hotwife (milo z), Friday, 1 October 2021 19:31 (two years ago) link
Youtube/Twitch are a different beast than podcasts as they are often about raking in realtime donations
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Friday, 1 October 2021 19:34 (two years ago) link
streams I mean
He's hot
― ăMyst1kOblivi0nă (jim in vancouver), Friday, 1 October 2021 19:40 (two years ago) link
He's mainly for zoomers tho afaict,don't think many here would be interested
― ăMyst1kOblivi0nă (jim in vancouver), Friday, 1 October 2021 19:42 (two years ago) link
twitch and twitch chat is at the top of my 'things that make me feel insanely old' list
― officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Friday, 1 October 2021 19:43 (two years ago) link
yeah the entire concept of twitch celebrities makes me want to turn inside out but i guess it's just lazier vlogging, which also made me feel 100 years old when i was 25
― STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Friday, 1 October 2021 19:45 (two years ago) link
I have never felt as elderly as when I looked in on a Kenny Beats Twitch stream. There are three thousand people typing constantly in the chat, I donât know how anyone can ever see, much less read, what anyone is saying.
― papal hotwife (milo z), Friday, 1 October 2021 21:55 (two years ago) link