"we'll change the things that need changing and that's all we'll change": the paSUKification of post-brexit politics 2021

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The good thing is this is not going to win. People want the real stuff, i.e. what the Tories are offering.

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 23 September 2021 09:48 (two years ago) link

It also links to ingrained Victorian values of the “deserving poor” not the supposedly lazy, feckless, bone idle, the criminals and lumpen elements. It’s the Protestant work ethic writ large on people who “work hard” and there deserve more wages as they deliver for the bosses. https://t.co/JX3UG1SKfP

— local lefty historian (@Simon_P_Hannah) September 23, 2021

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 23 September 2021 10:02 (two years ago) link

some people might work incredibly hard because they are fearful of the consequences of losing their shit jobs. But wankers like Kieth who are brought up by the factory management classes want to think for their own conservative purposes that they're into some kind of self-loathing masochistic proddy work ethic. He's that clueless because the closest thing to class struggle he's experienced is going to a middling to quite posh school where some other kids are slightly posher than him.

calzino, Thursday, 23 September 2021 10:05 (two years ago) link

James Ball, of all people, pointing out that if you’re not saying anything your political opponents would disagree with, you might as well not bother saying anything at all.

Again, this is a pitch to donors, not the electorate though.

Scampo di tutti i Scampi (ShariVari), Thursday, 23 September 2021 10:11 (two years ago) link

he'll never recover from the shame of getting dropped by James Ball. A complete melt I know was once boasting that he was very proud that his son had learned an important lesson about fact checking from his LBC show on the car radio.

calzino, Thursday, 23 September 2021 11:01 (two years ago) link

Hard-working families reduces everybody to an economic unit so of course it erases the disabled, carers, unpaid labour, children except as potential future units of production, the elderly, etc etc etc

These scumbags are exactly equal to the Tories in their role as the enemy of human life

look on my guacs, ye mighty, and dis pear (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 23 September 2021 11:48 (two years ago) link

What kills me - lol nevermind, it all kills me obv - but what's so telling is you could spin a web of promiseless platitudes that was caring and optimistic and looked to a better future for the planet - it would still be an empty gesture, but if you're doing empty gestures how broken and inhuman do you have to be to go down the Gradgrind route?

look on my guacs, ye mighty, and dis pear (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 23 September 2021 11:51 (two years ago) link

yes it's very intimidating to disabled voters, who might have not thought much of Kieth but considered voting for him could be a harm reduction option.

calzino, Thursday, 23 September 2021 11:56 (two years ago) link

Fuck any idiot in future who thinks we need THIS to save us from the Tories

look on my guacs, ye mighty, and dis pear (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 23 September 2021 11:58 (two years ago) link

When Kieth waxes lyrical about his hard working dad walking down the factory floor (of which he apparently owned) he misses out the bit that the workers there hated his guts and were doing comedy-death sweepstakes on when he's going to die and putting iron filings in his coffee.

calzino, Thursday, 23 September 2021 11:59 (two years ago) link

Love the most timid hint at anything resembling a left-wing stance in "it is not good enough to just surrender to market forces" immediately followed with "the role of government is to be a partner to private enterprise, not stifle it", lest the potential donors get the wrong idea.

Daniel_Rf, Thursday, 23 September 2021 12:00 (two years ago) link

apparently it's not even 14000 words, some word-counters are say its more like 11.5k. Which is still too much.

calzino, Thursday, 23 September 2021 12:13 (two years ago) link

"chances in life should not be determined by the circumstances of your birth" is radical tbf, I assume it means 100% Inheritance Tax and the abolition of private education as a minimum

look on my guacs, ye mighty, and dis pear (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 23 September 2021 12:34 (two years ago) link

https://i.imgur.com/GHqI0Fk.jpg

conrad, Thursday, 23 September 2021 13:05 (two years ago) link

Hôtel Sieweburen; 36 Rue des Sept-Fontaines, 2534 Luxembourg https://t.co/kYV1ZSZijP pic.twitter.com/ocCF1TGscx

— Random Restaurant (@_restaurant_bot) September 23, 2021

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 23 September 2021 13:28 (two years ago) link

That's better than this tweet.

Much of the talk has focused on Wes Streeting, who is tipped as a future leader by. According to the register of interests, he received £45k in donations this year.

Source: 'He’s basically mid campaign now even though there is no contest. He is everywhere, doing everything.'

— Alexandra Rogers (@journoamrogers) September 23, 2021

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 23 September 2021 13:29 (two years ago) link

Is it ok to wish harm on Streeting again now?

look on my guacs, ye mighty, and dis pear (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 23 September 2021 13:35 (two years ago) link

Wes Streeting, who is tipped as a future leader by.

No typo here

nashwan, Thursday, 23 September 2021 13:47 (two years ago) link

his mam

calzino, Thursday, 23 September 2021 13:58 (two years ago) link

he was going in for major surgery a few months back and I was thinking maybe not post anything too unpleasant about him for a while

calzino, Thursday, 23 September 2021 14:03 (two years ago) link

not going to lie i think he'll do better than keith

glumdalclitch, Thursday, 23 September 2021 14:37 (two years ago) link

Apparently GMB will back EC in exchange for Labour dropping Green New Deal and Ed Mili getting sacked.

calzino, Thursday, 23 September 2021 14:56 (two years ago) link

now GMB is threatening to sue OJ for posting this.

calzino, Thursday, 23 September 2021 15:52 (two years ago) link

starmer's speech to conference just leaked:
"I don't know half of you half as well as I should like, and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve. I, uh, I h-have things to do. I've put this off for far too long. I regret to announce — this is The End. I am going now. I bid you all a very fond farewell. GOODBYE!" (vanishes)

mark s, Thursday, 23 September 2021 16:53 (two years ago) link

labour party: "Ooh!"

mark s, Thursday, 23 September 2021 16:53 (two years ago) link

LAB: +9

Tracer Hand, Thursday, 23 September 2021 17:49 (two years ago) link

if "Kieth" is a classist slur then goodness knows what they'll make of the even more unkind sobriquet "McShitter".

calzino, Thursday, 23 September 2021 18:34 (two years ago) link

wait does this mean Mandelson is Gandalf ffs?

look on my guacs, ye mighty, and dis pear (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 23 September 2021 19:01 (two years ago) link

at least we can agree that Jermy Sauron represents a clear threat to the Shire

look on my guacs, ye mighty, and dis pear (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 23 September 2021 19:04 (two years ago) link

the White Council = the Trilateral Commission

calzino, Thursday, 23 September 2021 19:43 (two years ago) link

Winter of Discontent 2: Electric Fuck You

look on my guacs, ye mighty, and dis pear (Noodle Vague), Friday, 24 September 2021 11:13 (two years ago) link

i can't claim to have been publicly prescient here since i basically more of less shut up commenting at all once bojo took charge but throughout all this -- and against much left doomsaying re the impenetrably dishonest bloc of the commenteriat -- i have had a super-vivid sense of the frameworks being stretched beyond (load)bearing and of the return (not to say the revenge) of unmediated reality itself. you can't glibly fib yr way out of the house falling on you.

and the bulk of the fibbers entirely deserve what's coming to them but i honestly dread* what is arriving with that -- aimed at us (tho some of us are comfier than most) and at many others, but basically happening to all

*this is largely why i shut up commenting: i have gone from "oh something will turn up, here are some possible glimpses" to "that was our last slim chance and we fvcked it"

mark s, Friday, 24 September 2021 11:23 (two years ago) link

The miracle of British Democracy is that it took the wave of discontent produced by the Great Financial Crisis and transmuted it into government by a small clique of malingerers from the top end of society, while allowing them to pose as the fighting underdog.

— Metatone (@Metatone2) September 24, 2021

xyzzzz__, Friday, 24 September 2021 12:35 (two years ago) link

my neighbourhood WhatsApp group is freaking out about the petrol.

edited to reflect developments which occurred (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Friday, 24 September 2021 13:00 (two years ago) link

Wonderful. pic.twitter.com/NRb2k1vWHb

— Andy Churnwell (@churnwell) September 24, 2021

xyzzzz__, Friday, 24 September 2021 13:55 (two years ago) link

lol that's a good one

I’m reliably told that Labour members in Darlington, including councillors, have *never* been invited to meet Starmer when he's visited.

So why is he visiting so regularly? One explanation is that it’s the former seat of friend, and former political aide, Jenny Chapman.

I think maybe Kieth loves visiting Darlington so often because he can fit in a sneaky trip to Durham Cathedral.. that's it

calzino, Friday, 24 September 2021 14:05 (two years ago) link

it happens to the best of us pic.twitter.com/uC9IVDm4k8

— jewish space laser (@goulcher) September 24, 2021

edited to reflect developments which occurred (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Friday, 24 September 2021 14:07 (two years ago) link

Tulo meeting being described as a “car crash” for Starmer

— Sienna Rodgers (@siennamarla) September 24, 2021

calzino, Friday, 24 September 2021 17:13 (two years ago) link

BREAKING @uklabour NEC won't now discuss @Keir_Starmer 's rule changes

— iain watson (@iainjwatson) September 24, 2021

xyzzzz__, Friday, 24 September 2021 18:02 (two years ago) link

Union source emphasises it's "not over til it's over", but seems Starmer faces humiliation over electoral college reforms if he brings to vote

Trade Union & Labour Party Liaison Organisation (TULO) meeting was "BAD": "nobody" defended Starmer, even moderate unions look uncertain

I think a nice trip to Darlington might be what he needs right now

calzino, Friday, 24 September 2021 18:06 (two years ago) link

Hearing Gary Smith of GMB was "generally furious", repeatedly asking Starmer if he appreciated how "embarrassing it is" for Labour to be backing £10 an hour, not the £15 advocated by his union

sounds like he's tried to push this through without even negotiating with them and they are extremely pissed off with him. A leader can can only get away with that kind of behaviour if they are in a very strong position, like 20 pts ahead and not about to stand down to make way for McShitter!

calzino, Friday, 24 September 2021 18:14 (two years ago) link

went to the pub today for first time in months.
out of the 10 pumps, only 2 were in action, and the pub crew did not think they would last the day, and no delivery until next week.
shit just got very real.

mark e, Friday, 24 September 2021 18:27 (two years ago) link

as a car hating non-driving mofo I find it quite amusing at the moment, but it won't be amusing when the deliveries stop coming.

calzino, Friday, 24 September 2021 18:32 (two years ago) link

Keir Starmer meeting with GMB, Unison, Usdaw leaders to look for "face-saver", as one source puts it – expected to be similar package minus electoral college. (Some say this was the plan all along. Way it was handled did prompt concerns over relations with unions though.)

— Sienna Rodgers (@siennamarla) September 24, 2021

"some say this was the plan all along" lol sure

calzino, Friday, 24 September 2021 19:17 (two years ago) link

"Guest workers" to save Xmas is it?

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 25 September 2021 06:55 (two years ago) link

This is just 🤦🤦🤦

NEW: Keir Starmer has abandoned his controversial electoral college reforms overnight.

A spokesman says he will still bring other measures to "better connect us with working people and re-orient us toward the voters who can take us to power".

Another source texts: "It's dead"

— Gabriel Pogrund (@Gabriel_Pogrund) September 25, 2021

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 25 September 2021 07:00 (two years ago) link

Starmer ally quoted as promising reform package will still “have left howling with outrage”.

Labour CONFIRMS these reforms are now going to the NEC:

- Higher nomination threshold for MPs in leadership elections, avoiding "another Corbyn"
- Scrap registered supporters, apply freeze for new members eligible to vote
- Review affiliated supporters scheme + levy payers
1/2

— Gabriel Pogrund (@Gabriel_Pogrund) September 25, 2021

Scampo di tutti i Scampi (ShariVari), Saturday, 25 September 2021 08:00 (two years ago) link

lol he's really fucked it and his failure is now the biggest story of the conference. But he's still going for less ambitious reforms designed to undermine party democracy and are counterintuitive to connecting with people and the rest the drivel he chats

calzino, Saturday, 25 September 2021 08:03 (two years ago) link

One key Starmer ally now accepts reforms have to change - but still optimistic left will be "howling" with outrage and claims of betrayal by Sunday

just calmly posting as they normally do

calzino, Saturday, 25 September 2021 08:35 (two years ago) link


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