Defenestrate Them All: Canadian Politics 2021

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A day before the election, Grenier has a 75% chance of Liberals winning the most seats. These leads in ON and QC would seem to augur well.
https://newsinteractives.cbc.ca/elections/poll-tracker/canada/

Sequel to Sadness (Sund4r), Sunday, 19 September 2021 18:23 (four years ago)

AB crisis scaring people, I'm guessing.

Sequel to Sadness (Sund4r), Sunday, 19 September 2021 18:27 (four years ago)

If there’s a silver lining to Kenney’s democide

"The Pus/Worm" by The Smiths (hardcore dilettante), Monday, 20 September 2021 04:16 (four years ago)

Just voted here (only 4th in line in my poll station so maybe they were just getting going) but it seemed rather disorganized compared to previous years. Is it normal for them to not instruct what kind of mark to put on the ballot? I asked if I should use an x or a check mark, and was told it didn’t matter, just not to make it ambiguous. Also the setup was a definite fail on social distancing. Good luck today, Canada.

Kim, Monday, 20 September 2021 14:08 (four years ago)

Is it normal for them to not instruct what kind of mark to put on the ballot? I asked if I should use an x or a check mark, and was told it didn’t matter, just not to make it ambiguous.

This sounds right:

https://www.elections.ca/emp/trng/droop/man/images/figure14_e.jpg

Sorry to hear about the social distancing fail. Heading out after lunch.

Sequel to Sadness (Sund4r), Monday, 20 September 2021 14:12 (four years ago)

Maybe I’m thinking of provincial elections? No visual examples of unacceptable/acceptable either. I mean obviously, I’m good, but was just kind of surprised that if you ask for the safest preference that you don’t get a clear direction.

Kim, Monday, 20 September 2021 14:30 (four years ago)

lots of stories about how they had trouble hiring enough poll workers, and that many experienced workers didn't feel comfortable working without vaccine mandates

symsymsym, Monday, 20 September 2021 15:21 (four years ago)

The polling station at Carleton U seemed decently organized. It's in a very spacious field house so distancing wasn't an issue. But yeah, I also didn't get an explicit instruction on how to mark the ballot.

jmm, Monday, 20 September 2021 15:26 (four years ago)

I worked at the provincial election a year ago and quite enjoyed it...don't remember what instructions we were supposed to give for how to mark the ballot.

one voter asked another worker what "libertarian" meant while he was in the voting booth. the worker reflexively answered "freedom from regulations," and the voter went "thank you, sounds good. I'll vote for them." so that's how the libertarian party got one vote in Vancouver-Fairview.

symsymsym, Monday, 20 September 2021 15:29 (four years ago)

"12 votes for Joanne Doe please."

jmm, Monday, 20 September 2021 15:42 (four years ago)

Haha. I was a DRO for the federal election in 2011. We were explicitly told not to give any information about any of the parties or candidates! I did have one young voter ask me whether the Greens were the party that supported marijuana legalization. I think the rules were similar to what you see above, that you just had to mark the bubble and only one bubble. I might have eventually defaulted to saying "x or check in the bubble is fine" since it was more complicated to explain what was and wasn't ok, not sure. I did think those visual guides were available, though.

Sequel to Sadness (Sund4r), Monday, 20 September 2021 15:44 (four years ago)

Hm, well, that was completely distanced with markings on the floor and everything. Guy also told me to draw an x. Maybe I seemed especially clueless.

Sequel to Sadness (Sund4r), Monday, 20 September 2021 18:01 (four years ago)

is anyone expecting anything beyond a weakened liberal minority?
looks like the NDP and cons will likely win a few more seats, but no huge swing. i was up north (ish - not very north) over the weekend and was surprised to see almost as many PPC signs as CPC! i think that could potentially eat away at some gains they were hoping to make off of trudeau via right-wing vote splitting.

FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 20 September 2021 20:52 (four years ago)

Driving through BC and AB this weekend I was floored by the number of PPC signs. It occurred to me to wonder whether they’re being bankrolled by dark money somewhere but I haven’t looked into it yet because a) lazy and b) gross

"The Pus/Worm" by The Smiths (hardcore dilettante), Monday, 20 September 2021 21:09 (four years ago)

I don't know what to expect. If these poll tracker sites mean anything then it seems like it could easily land on a Conservative minority or Liberal majority.

Things are looking a bit better for the prime minister now, though. Canada has two prominent, FiveThirtyEight-style election forecasters: Philippe J. Fournier of 338Canada and Éric Grenier, who writes the newsletter The Writ and runs the Poll Tracker for the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation.3 And as of Sunday evening,4 they gave Liberals a 68 percent and 75 percent chance of winning the most seats, respectively.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/5-things-to-watch-in-canadas-big-election/

The 338 website has odds of Liberal majority at 16%.

jmm, Monday, 20 September 2021 21:17 (four years ago)

CBC Poll tracker has basically a 3 in 4 chance of Liberal victory:


17%
Probability of the Liberals winning a majority
57%
Probability of the Liberals winning the most seats but not a majority
25%
Probability of the Conservatives winning the most seats but not a majority
1%
Probability of the Conservatives winning a majority

Liberal minority seems most likely to me; I'd expect better chances for the Tories if I saw more CPC signs in the west end suburbs, which I haven't.

We had a friend visit from BC who had been in the Kelowna area, where she said there were a scary number of PPC signs. They're p marginal over here.

Sequel to Sadness (Sund4r), Monday, 20 September 2021 21:30 (four years ago)

i'm reassuring myself that the PPC signs are likely from a *very* vocal minority and that much of their support is a reaction to covid regulations, mask and vaccine mandates etc and hopefully by the next election it will be less of a hot button issue and people will have settled the fuck down a little.

FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 20 September 2021 22:29 (four years ago)

I get the feeling that the PPC has spent a decent amount of money in advertising. I have seen a decent amount of their stuff in Vancouver, whistler, and salt spring in the last month, but not on private residences. on people's lawns or in their windows.

《Myst1kOblivi0n》 (jim in vancouver), Monday, 20 September 2021 22:34 (four years ago)

many were predicting Max Brenier (can't be bother to check his spelling) would win his seat last election, but he didn't and no one is predicting them to win a single one this time. i don't see them being a threat anywhere, except to the cpc in close races where the ppc might help out the liberals/ndp/bloc.

xpost – there were definitely a fair amount of lawns around barrie with them; including a "my body, my choice" kids music school.

FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 20 September 2021 22:36 (four years ago)

I am the least invested in an election than I think I have ever been. maybe because counting both BC provincial elections and federal elections there have now been 4 in 5 years. but also because I don't see a conservative majority, which is the only thing to really fear imo

《Myst1kOblivi0n》 (jim in vancouver), Monday, 20 September 2021 22:37 (four years ago)

liberals just getting another minority is probably the funniest and most drab result so my money is on that

《Myst1kOblivi0n》 (jim in vancouver), Monday, 20 September 2021 22:38 (four years ago)

Same.

FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 20 September 2021 23:01 (four years ago)

I’m predicting an unpleasant upswing in PPC voters overall because of the past few years of Trump fallout, conspiracy crap, and the fact that our individual freedoms were actually significantly curtailed for the first time in most of our lives, and that has sent the “live free or die” crowd into fight mode. That and many people seem to really, really love to hate Trudeau personally. Nationally that might translate into more votes for O’Toole, but I suspect the PPC gains will be extra strong in Ontario because the worst of the cons have absolutely disowned Ford. They felt anger and were betrayed by all the most competent parts of his COVID response, and may take it out against the party. Especially if the recent shameless appeal to the centre backfires and has alienated more Ontario con base than it has stolen liberal votes. I’ll be happy to be wrong though. The vaccination rate reassures me sometimes.

Kim, Monday, 20 September 2021 23:06 (four years ago)

I do think a Tory-Bloc alliance is a non-negligible possibility tbf, with the BQ enjoying a bit of a boost and O'Toole making clear overtures.

Sequel to Sadness (Sund4r), Monday, 20 September 2021 23:34 (four years ago)

One seat called for the Grits.

Sequel to Sadness (Sund4r), Tuesday, 21 September 2021 00:06 (four years ago)

not loving these early results...

symsymsym, Tuesday, 21 September 2021 00:59 (four years ago)

So far my friend Nicole isn’t holding onto the green vote in Fredricton. That’s disappointing.

Kim, Tuesday, 21 September 2021 01:05 (four years ago)

Of the five seats that have been called for the Tories, only one was previously held by a Liberal, so I don't think this is too ominous so far?

Sequel to Sadness (Sund4r), Tuesday, 21 September 2021 01:06 (four years ago)

OK, two. Maybe we can start to worry.

Sequel to Sadness (Sund4r), Tuesday, 21 September 2021 01:20 (four years ago)

Oh wow, are they taking Fredericton??

Sequel to Sadness (Sund4r), Tuesday, 21 September 2021 01:25 (four years ago)

I guess it's possible there'll be different trends in different parts of the country...we can hope!

symsymsym, Tuesday, 21 September 2021 01:46 (four years ago)

Man, if land could vote, ON and MB would be such solid NDP country.

Sequel to Sadness (Sund4r), Tuesday, 21 September 2021 02:22 (four years ago)

Liberal victory, according to CBC.

jmm, Tuesday, 21 September 2021 02:27 (four years ago)

This election hasn't changed anything except giving Singh and O'Toole a much larger public profile. The Liberals should be shitting themselves for the next election because both of them are going to get stronger from here. Dont expect another federal election anytime soon.

everything, Tuesday, 21 September 2021 02:53 (four years ago)

Basically, this is a huge loss for the LPC.

everything, Tuesday, 21 September 2021 03:12 (four years ago)

disagree—i can't see how this result is a "big" win/loss for anyone

sean gramophone, Tuesday, 21 September 2021 03:15 (four years ago)

liberals did fine. held off a strong conservative push, held off the BQ (really well) in quebec, kept the NDP at the kids' table

the conservatives are gonna have real trouble internally trying to deal with backlash from their right flank

singh's lack of gains in quebec paint a target on him; unless they make some nice gains in BC i can't see who was impressed/inspired by the NDP

bloc weren't able to capitalize on weak libs

sean gramophone, Tuesday, 21 September 2021 03:16 (four years ago)

and the single most interesting leader, Annamie Paul, is probably already out

sean gramophone, Tuesday, 21 September 2021 03:17 (four years ago)

Definitely seems like an overstatement to say that winning an election is a huge loss but, sure, LPC were probably hoping for more. And a minority govt keeps Singh and the NDP in a position of influence so I don't see them as having been sidelined or diminished. Hope they'll be bolder in the next Parliament tbh.

On some level, I half hope that Tory candidates win a slight plurality of the popular vote again so we get to hear more indignance about how not being able to form government with 34% of the vote is counter-majoritarian. Might be the fastest path to electoral reform.

Sequel to Sadness (Sund4r), Tuesday, 21 September 2021 03:47 (four years ago)

"Liberals did fine"? They called an election expecting a majority and failed. Trudeau is weaker than ever.

everything, Tuesday, 21 September 2021 03:52 (four years ago)

Interesting things might be happening in Edmonton...

Sequel to Sadness (Sund4r), Tuesday, 21 September 2021 04:04 (four years ago)

I don’t see things trending well for Trudeau - but for a bit there it looked like the cons might wind up with more seats than them.
O’Toole is going to be forced to go through a leadership review… NDP will gain a couple seats… green support collapsed while amazingly still getting two seats.
I’d say the liberals “won” by not really losing. Amazing they may gain some seats in Alberta!!

FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 21 September 2021 04:45 (four years ago)

That most Canadian of situations, an election where nobody wins!

Halfway there but for you, Tuesday, 21 September 2021 04:49 (four years ago)

this is a good tone for jagmeet

symsymsym, Tuesday, 21 September 2021 04:59 (four years ago)

Obv going for the majority and flubbing it isn't optimal but this election will feel like a long time ago by the time the next one comes around

《Myst1kOblivi0n》 (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 21 September 2021 05:05 (four years ago)

liberals sweeping richmond is kind of crazy

symsymsym, Tuesday, 21 September 2021 05:09 (four years ago)

looks like Cons will win the pop vote again lol

symsymsym, Tuesday, 21 September 2021 05:10 (four years ago)

maybe the mail-ins will change that

symsymsym, Tuesday, 21 September 2021 05:11 (four years ago)

Wouldn’t be surprised if they made a difference in Spadina Fort-York.

FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 21 September 2021 05:36 (four years ago)

And can anyone tell me what might have happened in Richmond to swing it blue to red??

FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 21 September 2021 05:37 (four years ago)


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