cool
― a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 9 September 2021 14:35 (two years ago) link
I figure I'll watch it, my irritation with Keanu of a time has shifted since he clearly knows what he's doing, and I know enough of the basic tropes and iconic scenes or whatever that I'll come into this fresh. Plus, the SF angle. (Between Shang-Chi, the new Venom and this it's clear that the world loves us.)
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 9 September 2021 14:37 (two years ago) link
(Also given the whole redpill thing among shitty morons vs. the Wachowskis becoming their true selves in a much different way I'm kinda interested in the meta commentary that's half hinted at in these scenes.)
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 9 September 2021 14:38 (two years ago) link
The best scene of the trailer pic.twitter.com/EvnnxP9VpO— Tits McGee (@Scientits) September 9, 2021
― nashwan, Thursday, 9 September 2021 15:22 (two years ago) link
We, one of my kids and I, couldn't make it through the second one
could not relate less
action sequences in reloaded blow most action sequences out of the water
― STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Thursday, 9 September 2021 16:05 (two years ago) link
I'm hoping the twist is that 'real' Neo is the graying balding dude in the mirror, because I mean how likely is it that Thomas Anderson is still hot in 20 years?
― Andrew Farrell, Thursday, 9 September 2021 16:12 (two years ago) link
and the philosophical gobbledygook really struck a chord with teenage me, whose favorite work of art was neon genesis evangelion and thus for any major studio action/scifi movie to climax with a discussion that just hovers out of comprehensibility was fucking thrilling to me
and the actual message of it still lands home with me, i.e. "you thought you had broken free from this system of control, but the degree to which your actions are not your own is far vaster than you imagined" xp
― STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Thursday, 9 September 2021 16:12 (two years ago) link
This looks pretty good but I guess 2 & 3's trailers didn't reveal what a shitshow they were.
― papal hotwife (milo z), Thursday, 9 September 2021 16:21 (two years ago) link
The freeway chase / multi-weapon fight still looks awesome, but unsurprisingly the thousand-agent one looks pretty dogshit these days.
The main problem with Reloaded is that it's part 1 of 2, and I defended it on the basis that Revolutions would cause it to all make sense - and it made a liar of me :)
― Andrew Farrell, Thursday, 9 September 2021 16:31 (two years ago) link
thousand agent smiths scene looks like a ps2 cut scene on our modern quadrillion pixel televisions but caring about this seems pointless to me
― STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Thursday, 9 September 2021 16:33 (two years ago) link
also what doesn't make sense about it???? idk, hatred for the matrix sequels seems like one of the worst hangover opinions from the early '00s
― STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Thursday, 9 September 2021 16:34 (two years ago) link
I'll come back to you when I rewatch them ahead of this one coming out - it's been a while and I remember being massively underwhelmed more than the details.
― Andrew Farrell, Thursday, 9 September 2021 16:40 (two years ago) link
I really liked the second one a lot (some of the best action sequences I've seen), strongly disliked the third one (boring action sequences). I don't really care too much if these kinds of movies make sense or not, just give me a couple of weird wtf moments.
― silverfish, Thursday, 9 September 2021 16:51 (two years ago) link
Iirc it was the *lack* of action that did us in with number 2. At least for the half (1/3rd?) we watched. Up to the big Agent Smith(s) fight, whenever that part arrives. She was just bored and I couldn't handle the acting or directing or writing or most of all the enervating portent. But whatevs, different strokes!
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 9 September 2021 17:04 (two years ago) link
My memory of 2 & 3 is of interminable, low-stakes fights like playing Doom on God Mode.
― papal hotwife (milo z), Thursday, 9 September 2021 17:11 (two years ago) link
I just went back to check, and between the end of the intro fight and the Agents Smith fight in the second film there is I think a 45 minute break, and those minutes are super silly and absolutely stultifying. The rave, the inexplicably stilted robo acting, the grandiosity. That's what did us in.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 9 September 2021 17:34 (two years ago) link
Great trailer imo - it took me from indifferent to pretty excited in under three minutes.
― chap, Thursday, 9 September 2021 18:19 (two years ago) link
I'm not convinced yet, come on we've all been burnt by many trailers in the past (mute white rabbit from that trailer and meh imh). Will wait and see.
― Sorry, but that is how I feel (Ste), Thursday, 9 September 2021 19:22 (two years ago) link
Matrix 2 & 3 struck me as the Wachowskis not really understanding what folks loved about the first one and doubling down on all the wrong bits
― Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish), Thursday, 9 September 2021 19:29 (two years ago) link
See also: Lucas and his prequels, sad proof that maybe an unlimited budget and full creative control are not always a good thing. (Cameron lifts his head in the editing bay, alert, chuckles to himself, then gets back to work on Avatar 5.)
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 9 September 2021 19:49 (two years ago) link
Also: the Peter Jackson of the LOTR films vs the Peter Jackson of the Hobbit films. (Darragh proceeds to complain about how they're all like that, etc.)
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 9 September 2021 20:02 (two years ago) link
Also Ridley Scott & Prometheus etc - are there actually any examples where unlimited budget and creative control turn out well?
― ledge, Thursday, 9 September 2021 20:04 (two years ago) link
i literally can't have this convo with any of you. ok the hobbit movies are not great i assume i have never seen any of them. alien covenant is one of my favorite movies of the last decade and prometheus is dumb and gorgeous
― STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Thursday, 9 September 2021 20:06 (two years ago) link
Fully agreed with Brad on Prometheus. (And yes, trust me on the Hobbit movies.)
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 9 September 2021 20:13 (two years ago) link
Mad Max: Fury Road?
― MarkoP, Thursday, 9 September 2021 20:38 (two years ago) link
Watched the first Hobbit movie and that was enough for me, but I just finished reading it with my son for the first time and now he really wants to see them all.... ugh (we've already watched all the LOTR ones)
― a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 9 September 2021 20:40 (two years ago) link
Anyway some SF specificities
https://www.sfgate.com/sf-culture/article/matrix-resurrections-trailer-san-francisco-filming-16446150.php
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 9 September 2021 20:44 (two years ago) link
And a full trailer breakdown if you want it
https://gizmodo.com/breaking-down-the-matrix-resurrections-head-trip-of-a-f-1847639698
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 9 September 2021 20:45 (two years ago) link
Did anybody recognize who’s doing the score for the film?
― Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish), Thursday, 9 September 2021 21:39 (two years ago) link
Good sequels and expansive funding;
Fury RoadPsychonauts 2Maybe some Tarantino thing?Hideo Kojima lolz option
― Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish), Thursday, 9 September 2021 21:40 (two years ago) link
The basic problem with the idea of making/remaking/soft rebooting The Matrix right now is that we already all know what the Matrix isSo my guess/gamble is that it is no longer what we think it was, it is something severely worse— qntm (@qntm) September 8, 2021
― lukas, Thursday, 9 September 2021 21:45 (two years ago) link
man i hope so
― lukas, Thursday, 9 September 2021 21:46 (two years ago) link
how does a Matrix movie work in 2021? I'm supposed to be scared of living in a fake reality, trapped forever in 1999? Shit frost my tips and log me in— Kenny Keil (@kennykeil) September 7, 2021
― Andrew Farrell, Thursday, 9 September 2021 21:48 (two years ago) link
I’m curious how much they’ll play Keanu as Zen/Jedi Master given his age and vibe. Similar to how he can’t really play Ted “Theodor” Logan anymore, I don’t think he can do Neo ‘99 either.
― Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish), Thursday, 9 September 2021 21:54 (two years ago) link
even when the movie came out "the Matrix doesn't seem so bad" was a standard joke response, the biggest downside was having to listen to Rob Zombie at the club
― papal hotwife (milo z), Thursday, 9 September 2021 21:59 (two years ago) link
“the matrix doesn’t seem so bad” - straight people
― STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Thursday, 9 September 2021 22:21 (two years ago) link
Eh. tons of straight people embraced the "red pill" idea. but that's only because they fantasized themselves as Neo and they wanted to learn kung fu in twelve seconds and be able to fly like superman.
― it is to laugh, like so, ha! (Aimless), Thursday, 9 September 2021 22:35 (two years ago) link
every straight dude I knew loved the original matrix, I don't think I've ever met anyone who is really into the sequels
― 《Myst1kOblivi0n》 (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 9 September 2021 22:58 (two years ago) link
they received such a bad reception that I didn't even end up seeing either of them
― Sorry, but that is how I feel (Ste)
I'm saying it'll be a great film, but it is a great trailer.
― chap, Friday, 10 September 2021 11:22 (two years ago) link
this is surely going to deliberately subvert the soft-reboot pitch of this trailer, right? no idea if they'll pull it off well but i expect it will be interesting and gorgeous at the very least
― ufo, Friday, 10 September 2021 11:39 (two years ago) link
people seem to be expecting some mgs2-esque meta take on the reboot-sequel thing though so obviously the question is if they can subvert that somehow...
― ufo, Friday, 10 September 2021 11:42 (two years ago) link
Think it's a bad trailer (nothing that exciting on show - just confirmation that most of the things you'd expect to be there are present) but I then think most trailers for these kinds of films are bad (deliberately showing and telling you as little as possible). It really doesn't offer anything that intriguing though does it - as in beyond the questions that would already have arose from the fact that it's being made at all ? Not sure what they can do to match the visual and technical novelty of the first trilogy though.
― nashwan, Friday, 10 September 2021 11:51 (two years ago) link
deliberately showing and telling you as little as possible is good not bad ftr.
― Andrew Farrell, Friday, 10 September 2021 12:58 (two years ago) link
That's for sure. I was impressed by how little the Shang-Chi trailer (for example) gave away of what's actually in the movie. But really, this is the fourth Matrix movie. From color scheme to time-warp kicking, people generally know what they're going to get on that front. As for the story, it's surely going to be some convoluted "do you see!?" would-be trip, and I don't know how they would shoehorn that into a trailer, anyway.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 10 September 2021 13:03 (two years ago) link
So we all agree that trailers are pointless should be abolished cool
― nashwan, Friday, 10 September 2021 13:11 (two years ago) link
I think some trailers are super cool and add to the intrigue/excitement (the creepy trailer for "Lamb," for example, though that one admittedly earned the movie a "nope" from my wife). And then you get stuff like the recent "Suicide Squad" trailer, which provided some pretty sneaky misdirection.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 10 September 2021 13:29 (two years ago) link
I'm not very enthused about this, but if they take the Universal Soldier approach of effectively rebooting and pretending the second and third movies don't exist, it could be OK.
― but also fuck you (unperson), Friday, 10 September 2021 13:56 (two years ago) link
pretending the second and third movies don't exist has long been the best option for everyone
― it is to laugh, like so, ha! (Aimless), Friday, 10 September 2021 17:24 (two years ago) link
― Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish),
juno reactor tweeted this earlier :
"Thank you & I Love the support. Lana has made a great choice in Thomas Tykwer and co-composers, nothing stays the same, excited to see the new film!"
― mark e, Friday, 10 September 2021 18:31 (two years ago) link