Excited for Judith Butler's I've-been-cancelled LBC slot
― he ain't perfect but fuck me he's a rheillee (imago), Tuesday, 7 September 2021 20:44 (two years ago) link
Guardian UK and US is a hell of a conflict.
― xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 7 September 2021 20:52 (two years ago) link
i just read about the butler thing. are they going to explain the developments? if they were bullied by terfs they should say so but they won't
― criminally negligible (harbl), Tuesday, 7 September 2021 22:53 (two years ago) link
I’m pretty sure they will issue an explanation given the amount of heat they’re getting and their editorial team’s ongoing need for self-justification.
― Scampo di tutti i Scampi (ShariVari), Tuesday, 7 September 2021 23:02 (two years ago) link
It's poor and it will be poor
― plax (ico), Tuesday, 7 September 2021 23:04 (two years ago) link
Yes. At a guess, it will be something like ‘now that a criminal charge has resulted from the WiSpa incident, we felt it appropriate to completely redact the question and answer from the interview’, as a fig leaf.
― Scampo di tutti i Scampi (ShariVari), Tuesday, 7 September 2021 23:08 (two years ago) link
the piece was commission by the Guardian US too which makes this intervention even stranger.
Lots of DMs:Yes, they deleted a paragraph criticising gender critical feminismYes this is confusing, and (I'm told) unprecedentedYes we asked for it reinstated (or as a last resort, republished)Yes I offered a rewrite to bring it up-to-dateYes I'm now going to bed— Juliana☿ (@socialrepro) September 7, 2021
some details from the interviewer
― ufo, Wednesday, 8 September 2021 01:18 (two years ago) link
I hadn't realised the British staff would have final veto power, tbh.— Juliana☿ (@socialrepro) September 8, 2021
& confirmed that the uk guardian staff intervened which seems very unusual for a us guardian article? will be maddening if the uk branch starts intervening in the au guardian too which is somehow very good generally
― ufo, Wednesday, 8 September 2021 07:54 (two years ago) link
Their processes are fucked.
― xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 8 September 2021 08:50 (two years ago) link
the uk parent has also reportedly used this as a pretext to force the us guardian to scrap an entire (presumably trans-friendly seeing as it was the us guardian) series on trans issues of which this interview was intended to be the first part
hope there's some sort of pushback from the us staff or something
― ufo, Wednesday, 8 September 2021 10:44 (two years ago) link
this really seems like unspoken toxic working culture / prejudice crossing over into explicit policy, not something that ever really ends well
― edited to reflect developments which occurred (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Wednesday, 8 September 2021 11:20 (two years ago) link
The idea humans don't need sex categories, that we're above such mundanities, is the ultimate luxury belief.And it unsurprisingly emerged from an elite university in a superpower state https://t.co/cZhcM2YKZc— Susanna Rustin (@SusannaRustin) September 7, 2021
*Checks bio* ok
― xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 8 September 2021 13:51 (two years ago) link
🚨 Facts are sacred 🚨
― cheesons to be rearful (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 8 September 2021 13:53 (two years ago) link
Pretty edifying watching soi disant feminists who'd rather tear down feminist and gender theory than give up hating all trans people
― cheesons to be rearful (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 8 September 2021 14:00 (two years ago) link
luxury belief
― criminally negligible (harbl), Wednesday, 8 September 2021 14:18 (two years ago) link
Oh so now religious fundamentalists are bad? Because swerfs and terfs usually have no problem aligning with the Christians ones.
― Notes on Scampo (tokyo rosemary), Wednesday, 8 September 2021 14:50 (two years ago) link
now that it's established that the other branches don't actually have editorial independence i'm really looking forward to "are the guardian us & au worse than they used to be" slowly becoming increasingly common
― ufo, Wednesday, 8 September 2021 21:59 (two years ago) link
in the decades since this thread started the guardian kowtowed to the MI5 in a fashion that made the Murdoch papers look like slackers. Aligned themselves with the transphobes and expended industrial amounts of energy attacking Corbynism. We need to stop helping keep them alive by giving them reluctant hate clicks and treat them as nothing different different from the spectator or the telegraph going forwards. They need to die.
― calzino, Wednesday, 8 September 2021 22:28 (two years ago) link
Can confirm
― plax (ico), Thursday, 9 September 2021 10:18 (two years ago) link
ShariVari's prediction was correct about their explanation but it makes no sense to me. https://www.huffpost.com/entry/guardian-judith-butler-interview-trans-terfs_n_6138d856e4b0f1b9706915be the criminal charge doesn't change the question or the answer, and even if they thought it was important to include they could just put an editor's note in brackets. it's just mindblowing how dishonest it is! btw i didn't even know the guardian had a separate u.s. or australian version.
― criminally negligible (harbl), Thursday, 9 September 2021 12:21 (two years ago) link
The author had rewritten the question to remove reference to that incident.
― plax (ico), Thursday, 9 September 2021 14:18 (two years ago) link
the guardian au is solidly centre-left & genuinely one of the best news sources here. not inclined to centrist hand-wringing, left-bashing, transphobia, or anything like that, thankfully. it probably helps that australian labor isn't quite as terrible as uk labour (though they're still shit in plenty of ways) but also they're not as committed to defending the bad parts either
― ufo, Friday, 10 September 2021 00:31 (two years ago) link
This is very true, though they do have one of the most annoying columnists in the world, Br1gid Del@ney
― Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Saturday, 11 September 2021 13:06 (two years ago) link
still not quite as inane as some of the uk's though
― ufo, Saturday, 11 September 2021 13:10 (two years ago) link
Day 3 of a series of articles where a bunch of writers project whatever the hell they want on Emma Raducanu.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/sep/14/emma-raducanu-famous-teenage-girls-young-women
― xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 15 September 2021 07:43 (two years ago) link
I veer between gentle outrage and "sorry you'll have to get used to it, these morons will never change" every time I hear or see her name this week
― cheesons to be rearful (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 15 September 2021 07:55 (two years ago) link
There is a lot of bullshit in women's tennis and it's coverage but it is a space where women just win and can get on with whatever they want. As for Raducanu, she has just won! And you're telling me she hasn't? Ok..
― xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 15 September 2021 09:20 (two years ago) link
Hadley Freeman appears to be leaving The Guardian after this weekend.
Suspect she’ll be taking the Woody Allen Innocent show on the road to The Times but we’ll see.
― Scampo di tutti i Scampi (ShariVari), Wednesday, 15 September 2021 19:58 (two years ago) link
She’s got a few books to write, I guess? I think British Vogue stopped using her because she’s a transphobe (Edward the editor would not want someone like that writing for him).
― the thin blue lying (suzy), Wednesday, 15 September 2021 23:29 (two years ago) link
This would be, genuinely, on balance, a reason to read the Guardian.
― the pinefox, Thursday, 16 September 2021 11:16 (two years ago) link
Hadley has deleted that tweet
― xyzzzz__, Thursday, 16 September 2021 14:01 (two years ago) link
No reasons to ever read this rag beyond sheer fucking boredom.
― xyzzzz__, Thursday, 16 September 2021 14:02 (two years ago) link
On balance, I think contributing in some peculiar way to the departure of HF must rank as one of Jez's finest achievements
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/sep/18/opinion-writing-has-changed-a-lot-since-i-started-out-its-time-for-something-new
― Piedie Gimbel, Saturday, 18 September 2021 09:27 (two years ago) link
how wonderful it would be to live in that cloud of sweet obliviousness
― that which does not chungus makes us chonger (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 18 September 2021 09:43 (two years ago) link
hah come back and talk about your legacy when you've managed to write a piece that still gets memed to death 20 years later like Milne's "They can’t see why they are hated" does.
― calzino, Saturday, 18 September 2021 10:00 (two years ago) link
well it turns out long Corbynism is good
― calzino, Saturday, 18 September 2021 10:12 (two years ago) link
It looks like she isn’t even leaving, it’s just the last column for Weekend, which is closing.
― Scampo di tutti i Scampi (ShariVari), Saturday, 18 September 2021 10:16 (two years ago) link
But column-writing was seen as something of a private members’ club: elitist, dusty and distant.
This was my best bit, she is v funny tbfttl
― that which does not chungus makes us chonger (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 18 September 2021 10:20 (two years ago) link
so it's only really "The End" for the 180 Weekend staff the Guardian have laid off
― calzino, Saturday, 18 September 2021 10:25 (two years ago) link
The Guardian: "why do we expect such a conformity of opinion?"Also The Guardian: *deletes interviews that do not conform* pic.twitter.com/BD4CXtMksl— Adam Smith (@adamndsmith) September 18, 2021
this is a very good point
― calzino, Saturday, 18 September 2021 10:41 (two years ago) link
I loved the way they closed the comments so that quite fortuitously this one remains on top (after the eulogising Guardian Picks):
Dear Hadley,
It has been marvellous to see your journalism evolve. You are a wonderful writer and I have treasured your fearlessness and independent-mindedness in confronting and examining questions others have fought shy of. I will be looking forward to reading more of your interviews and features on film, literature and culture, wherever they are published. Go well.
― Luna Schlosser, Saturday, 18 September 2021 10:50 (two years ago) link
"Go well"? Is that a thing people say?
― How does Spock's brain come into this? (Tom D.), Saturday, 18 September 2021 11:00 (two years ago) link
it sounds like Dungeons & Dragons speak.
― calzino, Saturday, 18 September 2021 11:15 (two years ago) link
ppl do say it yes, i have used it in obits (of ppl who actually died that i was fond of)
― mark s, Saturday, 18 September 2021 11:19 (two years ago) link
when do i get my guardian column
what do you say in obits when you're not fond of ppl?
― Luna Schlosser, Saturday, 18 September 2021 11:25 (two years ago) link
Milne has a lot to answer for.
This is my favourite lol moment:
"None of this is why I’m stopping the column. It’s just time."
― xyzzzz__, Saturday, 18 September 2021 11:26 (two years ago) link
"RIP: they didn't know why they were hated"
― mark s, Saturday, 18 September 2021 11:29 (two years ago) link
― mark s, Saturday, 18 September 2021 bookmarkflaglink
If you want one I suggest you study the masters
https://www.theguardian.com/profile/adrian-chiles
― xyzzzz__, Saturday, 18 September 2021 11:39 (two years ago) link
(x-post)Seems a bit harsh, especially if they saw themselves more as ".. wide circle of friends, colourful array of lovers, and lived an extraordinarily full life."
― Luna Schlosser, Saturday, 18 September 2021 11:46 (two years ago) link