this is the highlighted "culture" article today, was thinking of submitting it for the worst music writing thread https://www.theguardian.com/music/2021/sep/05/jailhouse-rock-how-historys-crimes-live-on-in-music
― fc_TEFH28mo (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Sunday, 5 September 2021 10:37 (two years ago) link
"the punk bank with whom he recorded the song No One Is Innocent"
typo otm
― cheesons to be rearful (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 5 September 2021 10:40 (two years ago) link
lol duncan campbell is a fairly legendary and deservedly respected crime reporter, fairly evidently a long way out to sea when tasked with mapping pop
(the book he's talking abt looks p interesting tho, i already had my eye on it)
― mark s, Sunday, 5 September 2021 11:20 (two years ago) link
you'd think a seasoned crime writer touching on the subject of crime and murder intersecting with music might have heard of Burzum though
― calzino, Sunday, 5 September 2021 11:29 (two years ago) link
tbh no i would not
― mark s, Sunday, 5 September 2021 11:32 (two years ago) link
(a) he's 77 and (b) he's married to julie christie :0
= he has better things to think abt
― mark s, Sunday, 5 September 2021 11:34 (two years ago) link
and he's a billy bragg fan!
― calzino, Sunday, 5 September 2021 11:35 (two years ago) link
when he was chatting up Julie she thought he was the UB40 singer
― calzino, Sunday, 5 September 2021 11:40 (two years ago) link
has he had relayshuns with girls of many nayshuns i ask myself
― cheesons to be rearful (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 5 September 2021 11:45 (two years ago) link
it's a shame that none of that "rap" music the young people listen to has ever covered criminal activities
― fc_TEFH28mo (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Sunday, 5 September 2021 11:47 (two years ago) link
can't lie i had a real soft spot for Billy before he became a Lib Dem
― cheesons to be rearful (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 5 September 2021 11:48 (two years ago) link
also before he promised not to turn me away even if i was gay
you'd think a seasoned crime writer touching on the subject of crime and murder intersecting with music might have heard of Burzum Pimp C though
― calzino, Sunday, 5 September 2021 11:50 (two years ago) link
Jailhouse Rock is the last word in hard-boiled murder raps tho
― cheesons to be rearful (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 5 September 2021 11:51 (two years ago) link
George Formby - Leaning On A Motherfucking Lampost
― calzino, Sunday, 5 September 2021 11:53 (two years ago) link
George also did Suck My Blackpool Rock tbfttl
― cheesons to be rearful (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 5 September 2021 11:56 (two years ago) link
(b) he's married to julie christie :0
Crikey. Book does look v. interesting.
― How does Spock's brain come into this? (Tom D.), Sunday, 5 September 2021 12:25 (two years ago) link
Duncan Campbell has an interesting life. He had a really good TV series in 1994 accompanying his book on The Underworld which I'd like to see again.
He's often confused with the investigative journalist Duncan Campbell, who has this information on his own website:
Got the right person? This website belongs to the Duncan Campbell that revealed the existance of GCHQ and was one of the founders of UK gay rights pressure-group / charity Stonewall.Other people with the name Duncan Campbell include a singer in the band UB40, the 2014 UK Turner prize winner, a deceased firebreathing Scottish preacher, and the former crime correspondent, News Editor, and Los Angeles correspondent of the Guardian. You may be looking for the latter, especially if your interest is serious/organised crime - please check his Guardian contributor page. If you wish to reach that other Duncan, then you have not found the right web page.(This Duncan is NOT married to a famous actress, either. Sorry - you want the Serious Crime guy for that.)
Other people with the name Duncan Campbell include a singer in the band UB40, the 2014 UK Turner prize winner, a deceased firebreathing Scottish preacher, and the former crime correspondent, News Editor, and Los Angeles correspondent of the Guardian. You may be looking for the latter, especially if your interest is serious/organised crime - please check his Guardian contributor page. If you wish to reach that other Duncan, then you have not found the right web page.
(This Duncan is NOT married to a famous actress, either. Sorry - you want the Serious Crime guy for that.)
― Luna Schlosser, Sunday, 5 September 2021 12:59 (two years ago) link
also not to be confused with the not famous at all Duncan Bell, a HG Welles obsessed Cambridge polprof type who probably wouldn't be a good crime reporter
― calzino, Sunday, 5 September 2021 13:26 (two years ago) link
the idea of having to dis-confuse the two duncan campbells that are journalists is a genuine proustian madeleine of the countercultural 80s lol
― mark s, Sunday, 5 September 2021 14:15 (two years ago) link
it probably isn't the reason he married julie christie but it's not NOT the reason
One you contact by PGP key, the other via their literary agent: what a summary of differing fortunes!
― Luna Schlosser, Monday, 6 September 2021 08:05 (two years ago) link
Cunts.
https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2021/sep/06/the-imagination-fix-10-ways-to-stay-wildly-creative-as-office-life-returns
― xyzzzz__, Monday, 6 September 2021 18:38 (two years ago) link
A section of a Judith Butler interview which connects terfs with the fash was edited out
I preserved it before it disappeared. Just so everyone can be witness to their gross pusillanimity. pic.twitter.com/BgVp9QMzT5— James 💜 Loxley (@oldnorthroad) September 7, 2021
― xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 7 September 2021 20:02 (two years ago) link
Completely bizarre.
“ This article was edited on 7 September 2021 to reflect developments which occurred after the interview took place”
― Scampo di tutti i Scampi (ShariVari), Tuesday, 7 September 2021 20:03 (two years ago) link
developments which occurred
― fc_TEFH28mo (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Tuesday, 7 September 2021 20:06 (two years ago) link
fuck this rag
― 《Myst1kOblivi0n》 (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 7 September 2021 20:42 (two years ago) link
Excited for Judith Butler's I've-been-cancelled LBC slot
― he ain't perfect but fuck me he's a rheillee (imago), Tuesday, 7 September 2021 20:44 (two years ago) link
Guardian UK and US is a hell of a conflict.
― xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 7 September 2021 20:52 (two years ago) link
i just read about the butler thing. are they going to explain the developments? if they were bullied by terfs they should say so but they won't
― criminally negligible (harbl), Tuesday, 7 September 2021 22:53 (two years ago) link
I’m pretty sure they will issue an explanation given the amount of heat they’re getting and their editorial team’s ongoing need for self-justification.
― Scampo di tutti i Scampi (ShariVari), Tuesday, 7 September 2021 23:02 (two years ago) link
It's poor and it will be poor
― plax (ico), Tuesday, 7 September 2021 23:04 (two years ago) link
Yes. At a guess, it will be something like ‘now that a criminal charge has resulted from the WiSpa incident, we felt it appropriate to completely redact the question and answer from the interview’, as a fig leaf.
― Scampo di tutti i Scampi (ShariVari), Tuesday, 7 September 2021 23:08 (two years ago) link
the piece was commission by the Guardian US too which makes this intervention even stranger.
Lots of DMs:Yes, they deleted a paragraph criticising gender critical feminismYes this is confusing, and (I'm told) unprecedentedYes we asked for it reinstated (or as a last resort, republished)Yes I offered a rewrite to bring it up-to-dateYes I'm now going to bed— Juliana☿ (@socialrepro) September 7, 2021
some details from the interviewer
― ufo, Wednesday, 8 September 2021 01:18 (two years ago) link
I hadn't realised the British staff would have final veto power, tbh.— Juliana☿ (@socialrepro) September 8, 2021
& confirmed that the uk guardian staff intervened which seems very unusual for a us guardian article? will be maddening if the uk branch starts intervening in the au guardian too which is somehow very good generally
― ufo, Wednesday, 8 September 2021 07:54 (two years ago) link
Their processes are fucked.
― xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 8 September 2021 08:50 (two years ago) link
the uk parent has also reportedly used this as a pretext to force the us guardian to scrap an entire (presumably trans-friendly seeing as it was the us guardian) series on trans issues of which this interview was intended to be the first part
hope there's some sort of pushback from the us staff or something
― ufo, Wednesday, 8 September 2021 10:44 (two years ago) link
this really seems like unspoken toxic working culture / prejudice crossing over into explicit policy, not something that ever really ends well
― edited to reflect developments which occurred (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Wednesday, 8 September 2021 11:20 (two years ago) link
The idea humans don't need sex categories, that we're above such mundanities, is the ultimate luxury belief.And it unsurprisingly emerged from an elite university in a superpower state https://t.co/cZhcM2YKZc— Susanna Rustin (@SusannaRustin) September 7, 2021
*Checks bio* ok
― xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 8 September 2021 13:51 (two years ago) link
🚨 Facts are sacred 🚨
― cheesons to be rearful (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 8 September 2021 13:53 (two years ago) link
Pretty edifying watching soi disant feminists who'd rather tear down feminist and gender theory than give up hating all trans people
― cheesons to be rearful (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 8 September 2021 14:00 (two years ago) link
luxury belief
― criminally negligible (harbl), Wednesday, 8 September 2021 14:18 (two years ago) link
Oh so now religious fundamentalists are bad? Because swerfs and terfs usually have no problem aligning with the Christians ones.
― Notes on Scampo (tokyo rosemary), Wednesday, 8 September 2021 14:50 (two years ago) link
now that it's established that the other branches don't actually have editorial independence i'm really looking forward to "are the guardian us & au worse than they used to be" slowly becoming increasingly common
― ufo, Wednesday, 8 September 2021 21:59 (two years ago) link
in the decades since this thread started the guardian kowtowed to the MI5 in a fashion that made the Murdoch papers look like slackers. Aligned themselves with the transphobes and expended industrial amounts of energy attacking Corbynism. We need to stop helping keep them alive by giving them reluctant hate clicks and treat them as nothing different different from the spectator or the telegraph going forwards. They need to die.
― calzino, Wednesday, 8 September 2021 22:28 (two years ago) link
Can confirm
― plax (ico), Thursday, 9 September 2021 10:18 (two years ago) link
ShariVari's prediction was correct about their explanation but it makes no sense to me. https://www.huffpost.com/entry/guardian-judith-butler-interview-trans-terfs_n_6138d856e4b0f1b9706915be the criminal charge doesn't change the question or the answer, and even if they thought it was important to include they could just put an editor's note in brackets. it's just mindblowing how dishonest it is! btw i didn't even know the guardian had a separate u.s. or australian version.
― criminally negligible (harbl), Thursday, 9 September 2021 12:21 (two years ago) link
The author had rewritten the question to remove reference to that incident.
― plax (ico), Thursday, 9 September 2021 14:18 (two years ago) link
the guardian au is solidly centre-left & genuinely one of the best news sources here. not inclined to centrist hand-wringing, left-bashing, transphobia, or anything like that, thankfully. it probably helps that australian labor isn't quite as terrible as uk labour (though they're still shit in plenty of ways) but also they're not as committed to defending the bad parts either
― ufo, Friday, 10 September 2021 00:31 (two years ago) link
This is very true, though they do have one of the most annoying columnists in the world, Br1gid Del@ney
― Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Saturday, 11 September 2021 13:06 (two years ago) link