Never saw Dawson's Creek. I sat through the whole of The O. C. It was trash but I enjoyed watching it. Haven't see any of the other ones mentioned except Freaks and Geeks, which was pretty great
I appreciated Felicity more after seeing Keri Russell in The Americans. Gossip Girl was clearly the successor to The O. C.
― Dan S, Saturday, 4 September 2021 01:08 (two years ago) link
pen15 at 46 is so low!!
― Karl Malone, Saturday, 4 September 2021 01:12 (two years ago) link
fnl is a good choice for number one, but it’s buffy. revolutionary show in so many ways
― grove street (party) direction (voodoo chili), Saturday, 4 September 2021 01:20 (two years ago) link
oops
― grove street (party) direction (voodoo chili), Saturday, 4 September 2021 01:21 (two years ago) link
Beavis and BUtthead
― Duke Detain (Neanderthal), Saturday, 4 September 2021 01:21 (two years ago) link
Always liked the video segments of B&B (on Flaming Lips: "uh, I think these guys went to college") way better than the narrative stuff.
― Les hommes de bonbons (cryptosicko), Saturday, 4 September 2021 01:23 (two years ago) link
great top 2. i would go buffy as well but FNL is excellent.
we tried my so-called life again recently and i could not get with it at all. like half of each episode is about the stupid parents.
― call all destroyer, Saturday, 4 September 2021 01:25 (two years ago) link
Still have to see Pen15. One of my best friends who's opinion I respect really liked Buffy, but that show didn’t do it for me. Glee was good for only about a half dozen episodes if that. Beverly Hills 90210, The Fresh Prince of Bel Air and My So Called Life aired during periods where I couldn’t be bothered
― Dan S, Saturday, 4 September 2021 01:30 (two years ago) link
these are the ones i've watched a lot of9. The Fresh Prince of Bel-Air (NBC, 1990)11. Daria (MTV, 1997)14. The Wonder Years (ABC, 1988)21. That 70's Show (Fox, 1998)23. Boy Meets World (ABC, 1993)25. Happy Days (ABC, 1974)26. Saved by the Bell (NBC, 1989)31. Sabrina, the Teenage Witch (ABC/WB, 1996)32. Beavis & Butt-head (MTV, 1993)
teen soap operas were always insufferable imho
i'd go with beavis & butt-head.
― adam t. (abanana), Saturday, 4 September 2021 01:32 (two years ago) link
where's TMNT and Power Rangers?
― adam t. (abanana), Saturday, 4 September 2021 01:34 (two years ago) link
xp you clarified it for me, I guess the teen soap operas were my favorites
― Dan S, Saturday, 4 September 2021 01:35 (two years ago) link
I enjoyed Freaks n Geeks, So called life, Wonder Years and a couple others, but I kept scrolling figuring there'd be a show that was more worthy of my vote. Nope. Voted So called life just cause I was contemporaneous with Angela. Googled AJ Langer cause I had such a crush on her and was curious how she looks now. She's a Countess!
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Saturday, 4 September 2021 01:37 (two years ago) link
my picks by life stages
pre-teen: saved by the bell, wonder yearsearly teens: fresh princelater teens: ??20s: freaks and geeks (was a teen when it was out, didn't watch it like everyone else until later)current: pen15
― Karl Malone, Saturday, 4 September 2021 01:40 (two years ago) link
One Tree Hill was incredibly sappy and I only saw a bit of it but I remember it vividly for some reason
― Dan S, Saturday, 4 September 2021 01:51 (two years ago) link
I know you all won't agree, but I think We Are Who We Are (35) was really complex and interesting and I voted for that
― Dan S, Saturday, 4 September 2021 01:57 (two years ago) link
didn't see it at first
― Dan S, Saturday, 4 September 2021 02:02 (two years ago) link
Glad to see A Different World here, underrated.
― Marty J. Bilge (Old Lunch), Saturday, 4 September 2021 02:08 (two years ago) link
The top two are my top two, with the order switched
― Vinnie, Saturday, 4 September 2021 02:15 (two years ago) link
Dwayne Wayne!
― Duke Detain (Neanderthal), Saturday, 4 September 2021 02:18 (two years ago) link
Never saw Dawson's Creek.
I never saw about 46 of these and the few I did see were some episodes in syndication, not the original broadcasts. just fyi, those few I did watch were more out of desperation for some type of distraction than from real interest and enjoyment. they were all pretty crappy. buffy came closest to justifying its existence, but I only saw maybe six or eight episodes total, so I may be wrong about it.
― it is to laugh, like so, ha! (Aimless), Saturday, 4 September 2021 02:51 (two years ago) link
even as someone who grew up in the 90's I thought That 70's Show really captured what it was like to be 16. even the adult characters came off like what a teenager perceives an adult to be like. definitely not the best show on the list but I have a soft spot for it
― frogbs, Saturday, 4 September 2021 02:56 (two years ago) link
Disney and Nickelodeon are noticeably absent among the choices and, I get it, but The Adventures of Pete & Pete and You Can't Do That On Television should 100% be in this list.
― Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Saturday, 4 September 2021 02:59 (two years ago) link
Beverly Hills 90210, The Fresh Prince of Bel Air and My So Called Life aired during periods where I couldn’t be bothered― Dan S, Friday, September 3, 2021 9:30 PM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink
― Dan S, Friday, September 3, 2021 9:30 PM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink
This is so funny to me because of all the shows on this list, these are probably the 3 that feel most indelibly embedded in my childhood and were probably most beloved to me as an actual preteen/young teen. Although I always loved the Wonder Years.
I think I love Freaks and Geeks the most but it suffers by having so few episodes. I always think of it as My So Called Life if done in the style/tone of the Wonder Years.
― Lavator Shemmelpennick, Saturday, 4 September 2021 03:05 (two years ago) link
xp agreed, Nickelodeon deserves something on there. Those would both be worthy choices, Johnny Fever. Clarissa Explains it All also deserving of an honorable mention. Hey Dude loomed large in my childhood but it wasn't exactly a quality show.
In the early days of their original programming Nick had a very bad teen soap opera called Fifteen, that I remember being like if you took the plots from 90210 and played them out on a soundstage Saved by the Bell type set with scripts straight out daytime soaps. Hadn't thought about that show in probably 20 years till now.
― Lavator Shemmelpennick, Saturday, 4 September 2021 03:11 (two years ago) link
I don’t think FNL should count, that’s a prestige family drama.
Buffy and Veronica Mars are a toss-up IMO.
Dawson’s Creek is the best of the true teen series (drama is all drawn from the well of teen and young adult angst).
― papal hotwife (milo z), Saturday, 4 September 2021 03:40 (two years ago) link
2. Buffy - tried this a couple times, couldn't get into it. possibly i should skip ahead a season or something idk7. My So-Called Life - remember liking it back in the day but little else11. Daria - ditto15. Party of Five - ditto21. That 70s Show - great up until circa Donna goes blond; the replacement Eric is abominable32. Beavis & Butthead - i don't even really think of this as a show? would have liked it better if it had been just videos tbh45. Derry Girls - this is great but i've only seen S1
― mookieproof, Saturday, 4 September 2021 03:47 (two years ago) link
FNL was overwhelmingly young-person driven, though, unlike most prestige shows. The decision whether or not to include it would be tough, but if the answer is "yes" then it has to go in at #1.
― Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Saturday, 4 September 2021 03:48 (two years ago) link
haven't seen FNL but my understanding is that the breakout stars of the show are the coach and/or his wife?
― mookieproof, Saturday, 4 September 2021 03:56 (two years ago) link
Felicity might get in on a technicality, but it's a college show from the jump. Sure, it was some freshmen who were probably still teens, but the fundamental part of being a "teen show" necessitates some presence of high school.
― Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Saturday, 4 September 2021 03:58 (two years ago) link
Maybe outside the context of the show, but inside the universe of the show I don't feel like that was the case. It was a finely balanced ensemble.
― Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Saturday, 4 September 2021 04:00 (two years ago) link
Square Pegs (CBS, 1982) I thought was a great show, though it only lasted one season. It felt kinda true to life.
― Josefa, Saturday, 4 September 2021 04:01 (two years ago) link
― Josefa, Saturday, 4 September 2021 04:02 (two years ago) link
If I hadn't done a full series re-watch of The Wonder Years a few years ago, I'd probably have voted for it on instinct and nostalgia, but I can't do that with it fresher in my memory (it has captial F FLAWS), so I'll probably throw a vote at Freaks & Geeks.
― Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Saturday, 4 September 2021 04:05 (two years ago) link
I haven’t watched wonder years since it came out! And a couple re-runs. What were the Flaws on your revisit?
― Karl Malone, Saturday, 4 September 2021 04:10 (two years ago) link
Mainly inconsistencies with characters from season to season (and sometimes week to week). Also, Kevin Arnold is way more of a bitch than you remember, and Winnie Cooper sucks. So maybe not flaws so much as false memories.
― Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Saturday, 4 September 2021 04:14 (two years ago) link
Which, in a weird way, makes the teenage experience VERY accurate.
― Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Saturday, 4 September 2021 04:15 (two years ago) link
oh kevin arnold is the ultimate bitch
i see him as my god-father in some ways, he's such a fucking asshole. winnie cooper sucks and is also by far the best thing happening in the neighborhood, it's hyperrealistic
― Karl Malone, Saturday, 4 September 2021 04:20 (two years ago) link
The Wonder Years remake is going to make some dumb people very mad.
― papal hotwife (milo z), Saturday, 4 September 2021 04:22 (two years ago) link
are there characters in the background who are like FUCK KEVIN AND WINNIE? I don't remember them, as a kid, other than the occasional bully in the show or whatever (and the older brother, who is trump dominating in Louisiana in 2016), but in general it seemed like the message was that you were supposed to root for them. but you know what? fuck kevin and winnie
― Karl Malone, Saturday, 4 September 2021 04:22 (two years ago) link
This is Buffy, but Elite and Euphoria are both great fun and I wish I had had shows like them when I was a teenager.
― Tim F, Saturday, 4 September 2021 04:23 (two years ago) link
kevin's whole message and storyline is that he wants all these things handed him to him. winnie demands absolute perfection. the older brother just logrolls over the entire thing while the feckless dad votes against unions and the mom is on every pill of all time. it is a great show
― Karl Malone, Saturday, 4 September 2021 04:23 (two years ago) link
My impression watching the show as a kid was that the oldest sister Karen was a flake, but upon rewatching she was one of the only people in the whole Wonder Years universe that had her head on straight.
― Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Saturday, 4 September 2021 04:28 (two years ago) link
buffy.
“never have I ever” being on this list as high as it is is weird
― k3vin k., Saturday, 4 September 2021 04:32 (two years ago) link
Oh yeah, when the trailer dropped a few months ago, there was some real ugly shit on twitter (but what else is new?). Imma check it out, though.
― Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Saturday, 4 September 2021 04:32 (two years ago) link
41. Pretty Little Liars (ABC Family/Freeform, 2010)
this show sucked ass
― STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Saturday, 4 September 2021 04:37 (two years ago) link
i figure it won't get enough votes so i am going to vote for gossip girl
― STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Saturday, 4 September 2021 04:38 (two years ago) link
I will forever eternally hate this show because ABC Family canceled Bunheads to keep this dumb show afloat. xp
― Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Saturday, 4 September 2021 04:39 (two years ago) link
We’re actually rewatching The OC right now, for the first time since the original run and slogging through the rough third season. It’s still incredibly trashy fun, but #3 seems really high to me. Beyond Brody, I really love Peter Gallagher and Rachel Bilson’s performance holds up with a lot of charm (so much more that Mischa Barton ever had).
― a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Saturday, 4 September 2021 06:28 (two years ago) link
Always liked Rachel Bilson.
― Tim F, Saturday, 4 September 2021 06:31 (two years ago) link
Freaks and Geeks was the best fuiud
― Duke Detain (Neanderthal), Sunday, 5 September 2021 04:07 (two years ago) link
I loved F&G so much two decades ago I am a little afraid to even think about it now, especially given the later careers of the various principals.
― Gwar ina Babyon (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 5 September 2021 04:12 (two years ago) link
same here
― Dan S, Sunday, 5 September 2021 04:18 (two years ago) link
I’m old. Square Pegs. The gay surfer guy with the headphones was my hero. And never forget Buffy and her little Nicaraguan orphan.
― Derek and Clive Get the Horn Street (Boring, Maryland), Sunday, 5 September 2021 04:23 (two years ago) link
my niece was just a little younger than Rory growing up, and she also had that super-bonded relationship with her mother (my sister). They loved Gilmore Girls so it meant a lot to me
― Dan S, Sunday, 5 September 2021 04:33 (two years ago) link
Not only could you not just pull up an entire series on Netflix or whatever, but you couldn't even really buy shows by the season until dvd—some series came out on vhs, but only very select titles like Twin Peaks, etc—so the producers of these dgaf about continuity because why bother
Kind of related, but I was recently going back though random WKRP's, and was reminded that they had to do a clip show for their 8th or 9th ep because they'd been taken off the air for a couple months, and that was the easiest & cheapest way to relaunch the show.
― Precious, Grace, Hill & Beard LTD. (C. Grisso/McCain), Sunday, 5 September 2021 05:52 (two years ago) link
Just remembered that Topanga on BMW had like three different sets of parents (one of her dads was Peter Tork!).
― Precious, Grace, Hill & Beard LTD. (C. Grisso/McCain), Sunday, 5 September 2021 05:57 (two years ago) link
I was hardly a regular viewer, but I don't remember Boy Meets World being anything but terrible. I do have to wonder, though: does it represent possibly the last time that one of these shows could be so blatantly homoerotic without (as far as I can remember) ever feeling the need to seriously acknowledge the existence of queerness?
― Les hommes de bonbons (cryptosicko), Sunday, 5 September 2021 06:23 (two years ago) link
Out of the dumb stuff I watched passively as a kid - Dawson's Creek
Out of the stuff I actively searched for in later life - Big Mouth
― g simmel, Sunday, 5 September 2021 09:21 (two years ago) link
Buffy or Daria. Probably going to the former but I hope the latter gets some votes. Not seen any of the most recent ones - I sort of liked the look of Derry Girls from the ads but no idea if it actually would be for me.
― emil.y, Sunday, 5 September 2021 16:04 (two years ago) link
I watched a couple of episodes of Derry Girls and enjoyed it, thought the cast were talented, but ultimately I’m not in the mood for that kind of shit now. It gets harder to watch these shows the further away you get from your own teens. When I was in college I watched 90210 and Saved by the Bell ironically, with no emotional connection to them. Beavis and Butthead I thought was legitimately great though. Daria looked interesting at the time but I kind of felt I already knew everything about the culture it was trying to comment on.
― Josefa, Sunday, 5 September 2021 18:19 (two years ago) link
Big Mouth easily.
― bookmarkflaglink (Darin), Sunday, 5 September 2021 21:43 (two years ago) link
Gilmore Girls or My So-Called Life, no contest.
― Sam Weller, Monday, 6 September 2021 07:56 (two years ago) link
Although with Gilmore Girls I very quickly tired of anything to do with Rory's love life (so the main "teen" aspect of the show). I much preferred all of Lorelei's relationships (w/ Rory, w/ her boyfriends, w/ the grandparents) and the quirky bucolic small-town semi-plots. A very comforting show.
― Sam Weller, Monday, 6 September 2021 08:01 (two years ago) link
― bookmarkflaglink (Darin), Sunday, 5 September 2021 21:43 (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink
FP
― he ain't perfect but fuck me he's a rheillee (imago), Monday, 6 September 2021 13:37 (two years ago) link
is there anything problematic about Big Mouth?
― g simmel, Monday, 6 September 2021 14:08 (two years ago) link
big mouth is genuinely one of the most aesthetically repellent things i've ever attempted to watch lol
the Sex Education snub is what you'd expect from a US-centric list but I'd have probably voted F&G anyway, a show that doesn't need to hammer home the interior lives of its characters but expresses them with exquisite subtlety
American Vandal S1 was amazing, got about 2 minutes into S2
― he ain't perfect but fuck me he's a rheillee (imago), Monday, 6 September 2021 14:13 (two years ago) link
one of the most aesthetically repellent things
Can't argue with that. Still almost voted for it.
― i carry the torch for disco inauthenticity (Eric H.), Monday, 6 September 2021 14:21 (two years ago) link
a whole show about horrifically ugly children constantly jacking off
― the 45-year-old gaz coomber (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 6 September 2021 16:25 (two years ago) link
Step By Step isn't on the list bruh
― Duke Detain (Neanderthal), Monday, 6 September 2021 16:32 (two years ago) link
Voted for Daria but hadnt spotted Big Mouth was in the list dammit
Also why is Degressi nextgen there but not Degrassi HIgh?
― Stoop Crone (Trayce), Tuesday, 7 September 2021 02:33 (two years ago) link
Because EW staff skews millennial rather than gen x-er I assume. What a bunch of broomheads.
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Tuesday, 7 September 2021 02:37 (two years ago) link
Yeah, there's like one old person on staff who threatened to resign if Happy Days, The Facts of Life, Welcome Back Kotter, and Square Pegs weren't included.
― Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Tuesday, 7 September 2021 02:54 (two years ago) link
tbh, as much as I love Sally Field, including Gidget feels like pandering to the over 60s in the readership. It was NOT good. If they were going back that far, they should've opted for the Patty Duke Show.
― Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Tuesday, 7 September 2021 02:58 (two years ago) link
I never felt like Happy Days was a "teen show" in the way the others on the list were.
― Halfway there but for you, Tuesday, 7 September 2021 03:21 (two years ago) link
1. Friday Night Horse (NBC/DirecTV, 2006)2. Buffy the Vampire Horse (WB/UPN, 1997)3. The H.O.R.S.E. (Fox, 2003)4. Beverly Hills, Horse (Fox, 1990)5. Freaks and Horse (NBC, 1999)6. Gilmore Horse (WB/CW, 2000)7. My So-Called Horse (ABC, 1994)8. Veronica Horse (UPN/CW, 2004)9. The Fresh Prince of Horse (NBC, 1990)10. Dawson's Horse (WB, 1998)11. Horse (MTV, 1997)12. Degrassi: The Next Generation (CTV, 2001)13. Horse (WB, 1998)14. The Wonder Horse (ABC, 1988)15. Party of Horse (Fox, 1994)16. Horse (UPN, 1996)17. The Vampire Horse (CW, 2009)18. American Horse (Netflix, 2017)19. Gossip Horse (CW, 2007)20. A Different Horse (NBC, 1987)21. That 70's Horse (Fox, 1998)22. Never Have I Horse (Netflix, 2020)23. Boy Meets Horse (ABC, 1993)24. Horse (HBO, 2019)25. Happy Horse (ABC, 1974)26. Saved by the Horse (NBC, 1989)27. Square Horse (CBS, 1982)28. Everwood (WB, 2002)29. The Facts of Horse (NBC, 1979)30. Horse (Fox, 2009)31. Sabrina, the Teenage Horse (ABC/WB, 1996)32. Beavis & Horse (MTV, 1993)33. Horse (WB, 2001)34. One Tree Horse (CW, 2003)35. We Are Who We Horse (HBO, 2020)36. Sister, Horse (ABC/WB, 1994)37. Horse (CW, 2017)38. Horse (Netflix, 2018)39. Teen Horse (MTV, 2011)40. Lizzie Horse (Disney Channel, 2001)41. Pretty Little Horse (ABC Family/Freeform, 2010)42. Welcome Back, Horse (ABC, 1975)43. All Horse (CW, 2018)44. Clone Horse (MTV, 2002)45. Derry Horse (Netflix, 2018)46. Horse15 (Hulu, 2019)47. Big Horse (Netflix, 2017)48. Horse (ABC, 1965)49. Horse (E4, 2007)50. On My Horse (Netflix, 2018)
― The 25 Best Songs Ever Ranked In Order (Deflatormouse), Tuesday, 7 September 2021 03:44 (two years ago) link
Missed one :)
12. Degrassi: The Next Horse (CTV, 2001)
― The 25 Best Songs Ever Ranked In Order (Deflatormouse), Tuesday, 7 September 2021 03:45 (two years ago) link
Dammit
28. Horse (WB, 2002)
― The 25 Best Songs Ever Ranked In Order (Deflatormouse), Tuesday, 7 September 2021 03:46 (two years ago) link
horrifically ugly children constantly jacking offWhich show are you referring to? Please be more specific.
― bookmarkflaglink (Darin), Tuesday, 7 September 2021 05:29 (two years ago) link
^gotta be Welcome Back Kotter
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Tuesday, 7 September 2021 06:18 (two years ago) link
Well they jack it a looot
― Duke Detain (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 7 September 2021 12:15 (two years ago) link
Big Mouth was designed that way to repel pedophiles.
― Christine Green Leafy Dragon Indigo, Tuesday, 7 September 2021 12:24 (two years ago) link
https://thumbs.gfycat.com/WeightyCavernousAgouti-size_restricted.gif
― So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 7 September 2021 12:26 (two years ago) link
Beaver & Buffcoat
― Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish), Tuesday, 7 September 2021 14:43 (two years ago) link
― Christine Green Leafy Dragon Indigo, Tuesday, 7 September 2021 12:24 (five hours ago) bookmarkflaglink
whaddaya tryina sayyyyy
― he ain't perfect but fuck me he's a rheillee (imago), Tuesday, 7 September 2021 17:28 (two years ago) link
Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.
― System, Wednesday, 29 September 2021 00:01 (two years ago) link
in the end it was between Gilmore Girls and Friday Night Lights for me, ended up choosing Gilmore Girls since I know it won’t get as many votes
― Dan S, Wednesday, 29 September 2021 00:16 (two years ago) link
Write in vote for The Many Loves of Dobie Gillis. Maynard G. Krebs 4evrrr.
― Judi Dench's Human Hand (methanietanner), Wednesday, 29 September 2021 00:32 (two years ago) link
Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.
― System, Thursday, 30 September 2021 00:01 (two years ago) link
gossip girl beat gilmore girls….. my powers work
― STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Thursday, 30 September 2021 00:36 (two years ago) link
I just opened this thread a couple hours ago and voted for F&G. Glad I could push it to 1st. Surprised at B&B's high showing, though it is deserved.
― nickn, Thursday, 30 September 2021 01:14 (two years ago) link
glad Freaks and Geeks won. The love for Beavis and Butt-head is incomprehensible to me and makes me suspicious of ilxors' opinions on every other subject
― Dan S, Thursday, 30 September 2021 01:21 (two years ago) link
I forgot to vote for Dawson's Creek.
― papal hotwife (milo z), Thursday, 30 September 2021 01:40 (two years ago) link
At the last minute I went with my heart and voted for The O.C. I'm glad I did.
― Lily Dale, Thursday, 30 September 2021 01:43 (two years ago) link
44. Clone High (MTV, 2002) 0
:(
― Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Thursday, 30 September 2021 02:43 (two years ago) link
― Dan S, Wednesday, 29 September 2021 00:16 (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink
Should fp this but wont
― fix up luke shawp (darraghmac), Thursday, 30 September 2021 02:46 (two years ago) link