Star Trek: Classic or Dud?

Didn't know this existed. Thanks!

Cool. How does that compare to Phase II?

oops, *not* Sophie Aldred, Nicola Bryant! Getting Ace and Peri confused. The makers were presumably Who fans, at any rate.

Lou Ferrigno plays an Orion slave trader. Guess he's used to playing green people.

How does that compare to Phase II?

Don't know. Haven't seen it.

I just watched the first episode (or I guess first two episodes) of Prodigy and it's actually pretty good: the lead is annoying but the rest of the crew seems interesting, the jokes mostly avoid being cringey (some were real lolz), and the reveal at the end really hit me hard, and I'm not even that much of a Voyager fan.

i tried but i felt like i was watching a videogame & ingesting sugary cereal through my eyes lol

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Magnificent.

love it lol

today's voyager was the civilisation that had never heard music until the doctor started singing. leader of this civilisation = paul williams, lol.

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love that episode. Watching all of Voyager during the pandemic was a great move.

horror channel repeats are nearing the end, i think, and they are getting to be quite a bit more varied, possibly disjointed. Irish village in the holodeck, the doctor sings, the planet they are orbiting evolves 1000s of years in a month... might be less obvious if these were one a week and not one a day.

lol i also watched voyager for the first time over the past year and literally the only episodes i skipped were the irish village in the holodecks x2

fuckin hated how they reduced the borg to rubes tho

(nevertheless the planet that evolved 1000s of years in a month was *awesome*)

but honestly most of the characters (maybe all of the humans?) were annoying af. the doctor, seven and tuvok were maybe the only ones i cared enough about to care about

(i mean the doctor was largely an asshole but at least interesting about it)

Doctor + 7 + neelix + tuvok make the show IMO. Paris and Torres and Kim all dud as fuck

Finally getting round to DS9 (lol shuddup), and cannot unsee the Bablyon5 theft. Its ok, but its... blatant. I'm enjoying it though. Up to start of S2 3 parter with the Bajor/Cardassia conflict around the religious extremists. Which is one of the B5 things I noted (Quark getting branded on the forehead, same as a Minbari did by an extremist in B5).

And maybe it is just me, but Vedek Bareil is SO much like Sinclair from B5 in his Valen persona!

The writers interviewed in "The Fifty-Year Mission" didn't bring up B5 much. Apparently Ira Steven Behr was trying to copy the light serialization in primetime dramas of the time, but he messed it up. The primetime dramas like ER and NYPD Blue would have the characters go through arcs while the basic episode setup remained the same. In DS9 there are substantial changes in the situation the characters are in, but the characters themselves don't change much.

I couldn't get past the first season of B5 for what it's worth, so I don't know about particular similarities.

https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Babylon_5#Premise_and_storylines

Agreed about Voyager, though I also liked the Captain and Kess along with Tuvok, the Doctor, Seven, and Neelix. There's something very funny about the Captain that I really enjoy, maybe it's her penchant for replicating weird beverages. "Replicator: warm broth." What a weirdo!

I also still think some DJ or rapper should name themselves Yung Tuvok, because those episodes were awesome.

Also loved the way the Pon farr played out for Tuvok, too.

I’m not sure why I didn’t mention Janeway; I like her too

Or should I say KATIE O’CLARE

i like Janeway but I have zero feelings for Voyager

The entire TOS was on sale in the iTunes store for $20 and good grief I am so devoutly old testament Trek.

i just recently watched TOS all the way through for the first time & found it v enjoyable. Also: so visually interesting! I find those colors so comforting, they remind me of late night tv as a kid <3

Conversely I am now on the third season of TNG (enjoying immensely) and I still can’t recover from the “Marriott hotel conference center” aesthetic of the Enterprise. Like they took such a hard visual turn away from TOS because it was the times and late 80’s tv looked terrible as a rule but jesus the ~lack~ of visual interest still makes me want to die inside.

Marriott hotel conference center

Irlol/otm

there's a rick berman quote about how hot chicks who can actually act are already in movies -- and by suggestion that he'd had to settle for those who can't

but even apart from being an incredible asshole, he's *wrong*

I constantly am baffled by people who remark (negatively) on TNG's anesthetics, but then I grew up watching it so I just take it as given.

also you are a youngun, no?

It SHOULD look like a conference center imo, that is where ppl have meetings to peacefully sort out the problems of the universe via bureaucratic solutions.

but some of the early shots of the bridge look like the empty space at the front of a home-cinema, like bits of the set that the camera shouldn't be pointed at.

also one of the first episodes, maybe even the first, is Q-based and he's a dick.

https://i.stack.imgur.com/QAAsU.jpg

i just expected a better use of space in the future, somehow

I just finished TOS and then TNG, what should I move to now?

Deep Space Nine is great.

Aw, I love the TNG normcore aesthetic and I think some of the remastered episodes look pretty ravishing

https://64.media.tumblr.com/601090eb4b03821aaacb790bf33d895a/tumblr_nu7v1jMDHB1ufg9h8o1_1280.jpg

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xpost DS9 is so great! As good as people've said. I'm doing a very slow binge, having never watched it the first time round. The first season is actually pretty solid (perhaps even slightly better than the second, which I'm watching right now).

I also love the anaesthetics of TNG— never really bothered me.

I should watch DS9, I've hardly seen any of it....maybe in the new year, once The Expanse is over.

DS9 rules. My favorite Star Trek.

also you are a youngun, no?

lol I wish! I mean, I was in junior high and high school when TNG was airing, so when I said growing up with it, I wasn't exaggerating.

Also yes DS9 is IMO the best Trek -- EASILY the most watchable in the 2020s.

must be your youthful vibes then lol <3

(xps) That scene where Riker fights his dad at that made-up future martial art is so gloriously ridiculous.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNc5H1aPK04

omg that was amazing

must be your youthful vibes then lol <3

looool that's a nice way to say I'm immature, now I am ded.

another Greenhaven episode of voyager. fml.

Re: Star Trek aesthetics, I found out only a few years ago that the actual color of Captain Kirk's pullover in TOS was not gold, but green. It only photographed gold due to the film stock and the lighting gels they used in production. Can confirm this is true after seeing one of the original pullovers in person in an exhibit at The Hollywood Museum.

Btw I'm with Vegemite on the aesthetics point. In fact for me, the colors and '60s era design were such a crucial part of the appeal of TOS that I never even bothered with TNG after taking one look at it, though I'm sure it's good drama and all that, and I get that if you grew up with it it looks fine. I just need a little Barbarella in my space fantasy.

I tend to agree, but you probably already knew that.

I like psych pop sci-fi too, but there's many sources for that. The ultra earnest nerdy bureaucrat flavour of TNG-to-Voyager tho, that's really hard to find anywhere else.

YOU GUYS mr veg informed me there is/was a Menagerie ornament & then sent me the full list of hallmark Star Trek ornaments

if i had disposable income and a big enough house i would have a dedicated second christmas tree of all star trek ornaments

https://hallmarkstartrekornaments.com/master-ornament-list/

would deck all of this halls w/ these masterpieces, all year, every year