Mostly Apolitical Thread for Discussing/Venting our Rational/Irrational COVID-19 Fears and Experiences in 2020

Will say despite all that it doesn’t feel remotely like “back to mostly normal”; I fear m@tt is otm re “normal”

Oh! It was protectly.co.

oh good, protectly is the one I just ordered lol

My point is we need to adjust expectations away from the idea that we're going to vanquish COVID sometime in the near future and can just kind of hold out until then.

I don't see anyone here with these expectations. In fact, people are saying this is here to stay and we're never going back to normal.

You are the only one that seems to be advocating a return to normalcy (ie why bother with masks and other precautions).

I'm seeing that Pfizer is expected to have an EUA for under-12s by end of September? It's not like this is a far distant event, things are extremely in flux and progressing all the time. It's disingenuous to act like we can't do simple things temporarily until transmission rates are lower/the world is safer than it is now.

I *do* think there are lots of people still promoting COVID zero out in the wilderness, but yeah, none of them are here on ILX.

I have heard that September will also being the full FDA approval for adult vaccine use.

This is here to stay and we will eventually get back to normal

xp bring not being

oh cool so all the people who told me they won't get it because it's not FDA approved are surely going to get it now

i've definitely gone through a period of withdrawal from most people. everybody is anxious, and I have chronic anxiety, so talking to other people invariably means bringing up COVID anxiety and I get overwhelmed fast.

i should really quit the Twitter expert surfing, only because invariably you wind up reading the comments on the tweets and the ignorance is overwhelming.

oh cool so all the people who told me they won't get it because it's not FDA approved are surely going to get it now

Yeah, I bet this moves the needle for 5-10% of them at best.

It won't move much but it will remove an excuse; that said, most will likely go 'well it was approved too fast!' or some similar nonsense.

it's not going to move the people of people whose Twitter Handles are "Charles No-Vax Morgenstern". it will have an affect on the unvaxxed who were legitimately not anti-vaccine but who were possibly duped by misinformation and are open to the possibility.

5-10% would actually not be a bad thing - means more people with shots.

ftr I was more agreeing with ums’s broader fear as clarified in his post immediately after his first “back to normal” one and ignored by yr man alives. Obv I agree most ppl in vaccine-rich countries will be able to get around to enjoying a fine masquerade ball of indeterminate duration

Where do you guys get your KN 95 masks? I look on Amazon and there’s lots of ones from China.

― Bach on harmonica! (Boring, Maryland), Friday, August 20, 2021 11:34 AM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

in the really bad times i used to wear these N95s with over the head straps https://www.protectly.co/products/5-3pe-n95-mask

i prefer the "korean shape" now (two horitzonal seams running parellel to your mouth) rather than the single vertical seam look. and i've switched to ear tabs for whatever reason. masks like that should be pretty widely available, e.g. there are three options here https://www.protectly.co/collections/authentic-kn95s. if you want to use amazon i wouldn't worry about fakes tbh as long as you get one of the top sellers with "kf94" in the name, e.g. i'm sure these are fine https://smile.amazon.com/20Packs-KF94-Protective-Individually-Certified/dp/B08KDGFD1D/.

Maybe this has been said better already but “back to normal” at best means normal a) without all the people we’ve lost along the way and will continue to lose, b) with all the long term side effects people have acquired, c) with the politicization of public health matters that has been entrenched, and d) with an ever-present dread that every cold or flu symptom could mean looming death for us or our family members.

i gave up on 'back to normal' a while ago. i'd like 'back to acceptable'.

FWIW my source for masks in general has been this bunch, linking to their about page:

https://shop.projectn95.org/about

You can shop around a bit as needed for what might be best for you, depending:

https://shop.projectn95.org/all

I’d feel so much better if only my daughter’s school had a mask mandate, at least until the kids are able to get vaccinated. Talk about parental choice! We don’t have a choice yet to get them vaccinated, why should other parents’ choice to put them more at risk take precedence over that? Anyhow, on a totally and completely unrelated note, I’d also feel better if I could stuff DeSantis into a drain pipe.

i don't think i could pull off one of these, but they look comfy! https://shop.projectn95.org/gerson-n95-respirators-3230plus-box-of-50/p

i gave up on 'back to normal' a while ago. i'd like 'back to acceptable'.

A little scoop in AgencyIQ today: The FDA is calling in some help to conduct the complex reviews for Pfizer, Moderna and J&J's vaccines. https://t.co/LOn6YOCZTZ (paywalled) pic.twitter.com/NMOT2J2MzO

— Alexander Gaffney (@AlecGaffney) August 20, 2021

It's as if they just realized, huh, maybe people want them to get this approval thing going a little faster.

My employers have adjusted the planned return from remote work date to March 1st. Assuming that holds (in my specific case there are other further factors) then I will have spent almost exactly two years not working onsite.

The city of Orlando is asking residents to reduce water consumption IMMEDIATELY. Liquid oxygen used to treat water is being diverted to the hospitals to treat COVID patients. They believe if water consumption doesn’t change, water treatment could hit a critical point in a week.

knowing how my fellow Orlandolts are, there is approximately a 0.01% chance of water consumption decreasing.

I'm in a neighboring county/city but that update turned my stomach.

slightly better news, apparently Lambda is getting crowded the fuck out:

The Lambda variant is going out like a lamb.
(from the hard to find pandemic good news list)https://t.co/LTDmeuKztt
It can't compete with Delta. pic.twitter.com/dpHuHqPNwx

— Eric Topol (@EricTopol) August 14, 2021

Was there anything especially pernicious about lambda that we ought to be happy to have delta raging through the world instead? Offhand I don't recall any particularly bad news about lambda's capabilities.

lambda was causing significant breakthrough infections iirc

the number of people doing COVID doomposting fan fiction isn't helping either (I'm not even talking Twitter, which is full of nutbars, I'm talking about people I know). I mean the news is bad enough as it is, no need to make it worse by speculating far-fetched theories that nobody other than Eric Feigl-Ding would give credence to.

I've actually become very reclusive and stopped talking to anybody outside of a network of about five friends and family because I'm wrecked to the point of not functioning. work is actually a welcome distraction.

and the laaaambda
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of all people to make a Gabriel-era Genesis joke, you weren't at the top of my list!

Genesis nerd would have made some sort of "Lamia" pun and it would not have been as funny.

of all people to make a Gabriel-era Genesis joke, you weren't at the top of my list!

― Duke Detain (Neanderthal),

Shall I quote from "The Battle of Epping Forest?"

Why you prog rock fop, you and your cape.

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So yesterday was the first day that a wide range of businesses here in SF are required to have patrons show they've been vaccinated, and happily my fave Mexican spot that I get something from every Friday was doing just that. From what I could tell there was only one person who had an issue and that appeared to just be that they were unaware the requirement had kicked in rather than assholery.

My daughter (vaccinated) had a sleepover with two of her best friends (vaccinated) at the home of a third friend (also vaccinated) last night. We got an email around 10pm that the younger brother of the host friend (who is 10, so unvaccinated) was potentially exposed to someone on his (outdoor, masked) soccer team that tested positive (with no symptoms), and in turn must have gotten it from someone else on the team that also tested positive but now has symptoms (though not anything serious iirc). It was too late to get the younger brother tested last night, and they're all there for a (socially distanced, masked) event somewhere else this morning, so hopefully it all works out well. Everyone's in communication and willing to accommodate concerns, whatever they may be. I guess we'll keep an eye on her after she gets home today.

Everyone potentially exposed to the kid with covid tested negative, so that's good. Our poor piano teacher, though, had fully hoped to do in person lessons this year, but she said she's been exposed to two people so far that had breakthrough infections and needed to isolate until she got a negative test, so it looks like Zoom lessons for at least the next few months, until she gets a booster and younger students get their vaccine.

good to hear

“I’m more of a libertarian.” pic.twitter.com/LzMdf0VVOf

— Charles #GetVaxxed! 💉 (@charles_gaba) August 22, 2021

Make A Wish for reactionaries dying of COVID, let them pretend to audit the Fed.

I have a good friend whose father, an elderly, immunocompromised cancer survivor, just learned that his Covid vaccine (Pfizer, iirc) apparently didn't take at all and he has no protection, no antibodies, and the doctor suspects getting vaccinated again won't do it, either. That's terrible and terrifying.

shit like this drives me up the wall:

The data are accurate and refer to both symptomatic (Israel) and any infections as labeled in the table. You can keep up with your happy talk. I’ll stick with the truth to try and help people who are vaccinated stay protected.

— Eric Topol (@EricTopol) August 23, 2021

I know not every fuckin' disagreement on Twitter merits a detailed response, but this isn't some internet rando, it's an infectious diseases specialist who is literally treating COVID patients on a daily basis. I'd be interested in Eric defending why his reduced VE estimation is correct (when it's been challenged by many, many peers in previous week), because I'm a layperson and have no fucking idea, but instead he always gets defensive and ad hom-y like this. he blocks scientists he doesn't agree with (and I'm not talking about the Marty Makarys of the world).

still read all of his stuff but man.

(the infectious disease specialist is the person Topol is replying to)

Oh I sort of indirectly know that guy (the guy he is replying to) and he is great on COVID, one of the best sources imo.

BTW, quarantined now. There's a certain irony to it - in spite of my stubbornness I was convinced to be extra careful for the last several weeks by the fact that, at a minimum, we didn't want our kids to have to quarantine when school started. So we avoided indoor dining/spaces, saw only close family, did nothing on our vacation except hang out in a rental house, eat outside and hike in uncrowded places. Then a relative of my wife's came to visit from abroad, and I had no idea that (1) they had only just gotten their second shot and (2) they weren't exactly being careful in the days before they came to our place. And now they've tested positive, so we're stuck inside, and given the amount of contact we and especially my wife and kids had, I'd say there's a pretty good chance one or more of us gets it (although no one has symptoms as yet). Mentally preparing myself for a really sucky experience, whichever of us gets sick. Glad we are vaxxed and my kids probably have some immunity at least.

Good luck man alive. The chances of having a sucky covid experience if you’re vaxxed (and if you’re a kid!) are extremely low afaict but once it’s happening to you it’s hard to be blasé about it.

good luck to you man, keep an eye out and stay safe.

oh wow, man alive, keep safe.

I'm on campus now, our first regular fall semester since 2019. Happily, 8 or 9 out of 10 students walk around campus masked -- even outdoors. I have a 50-student face-to-face class at 2 p.m. We can pretty-please beg them to mask and get vaccinated (we have several vaccination sites on campus that the administration has been incessantly promoting), but c'est tout. Luckily we're at 75.2% fully vaccinated for those 12 and up. I will be masked while I introduce Un Chien Andalou.