"we'll change the things that need changing and that's all we'll change": the paSUKification of post-brexit politics 2021

I hadn't heard this story before – completely and utterly obscene that this man died in prison, having eaten a gingerbread man during the 2011 riots in Croydon https://t.co/3j5RTHyXeJ

— Dan (@d_j_frost) August 12, 2021

don't need to ask who was DPP when you could arrested and thrown in jail for eating a fucking gingerbread biscuit

Tower Hamlets - In May 2018, Labour won this ward by a 1200 vote majority.

Yesterday Labour lost this seat by almost 500 votes to an Independent Party candidate.

Questions must be asked - why and how

Labour taking votes for granted again. pic.twitter.com/YlpMCgyQ9m

— Mish Rahman (@mish_rahman) August 12, 2021

Kieth isn't interested in the successes of Preston model, he prefers indefensibly corrupt and incompetent Labour councils that drive people away from the party.

they have finally got around to expelling Ken Loach from the Labour Party.

Really?

Disgusting.

yep, he should put "booting Loach out of the party" as his 11th pledge in the leadership election. At least then he boast he'd honoured at least one of them.

I'm not a massive Loach fan tbh, but love the price of coal and wind that shakes the barley. And it is quite disgusting really.

compromise position : loach can stay in the party but he has to direct something for the MCU behemoth

meanwhile this is very good, sharp and to the point:

Bolton and Pitts, Corbynism, and the occupation of Afghanistan.

Read: https://t.co/RYVAAG5Mzm

— Lafargue (@Lafargue) August 14, 2021

there isn't really a US Ken Loach equivalent I can think of, but it would probably raise some eyebrows if the Dems expelled them

it's fine for Sheerman to post antisemitic jibes but as far I can see Ken's biggest crime is being down with some crank left elements.

the time Robert Downey jr did the best transatlantic Barnsley accent since Brian Glover in Alien 3

"sit the fook darn!"

McDonnell has come out in support of Loach and would presumably be eligible for suspension himself, if that’s a fight they want to pick.

The image of Mike Gapes forlornly wailing 'but i've got a pass!' is bringing me a really weird amount of joy. pic.twitter.com/jfUoksJJMe

— House of Lucci (@misslucyp) August 14, 2021

Calzino: Michael Moore?

Fred Wiseman

yeah I suppose Spirit of 45 is very similar to Moore's rose tinted view of post-war America. I think Wiseman is better than Loach tbh.

not that it is fair to compare them because they do different things

Yeah Wiseman is better but I do rate loach more than most here I think. As a kind of maverick, enduring figure and standard bearer of a slightly anachronistic version of their respective politics (American liberalism, British socialism) they seem like rough equivalents.

imagine being such a foul rotten piece of shit LOTO that you'd put more energy into factional purges and wooing tory voting racists than mounting a serious opposition campaign. The guy needs to die.

I can't disagree, Calzino.

To expel such a fine socialist who has done so much to further the cause of socialism is a disgrace. Ken’s films have exposed the inequalities in our society, have given us hope for change & inspired us to fight back. I send my solidarity to my friend and comrade @KenLoachSixteen https://t.co/GboZLrcVYK

— John McDonnell MP (@johnmcdonnellMP) August 14, 2021

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— Ian Lavery MP (@IanLaveryMP) August 14, 2021

“Senior military sources say the Home Office is reluctant to give many of these people asylum because of the message it will send to other refugees.” https://t.co/TobmZ6o71u

— Daniel Trilling (@trillingual) August 14, 2021

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/aug/15/a-million-jobs-in-peril-as-one-in-16-firms-say-they-are-at-risk-of-closure

Having helped destabilise Afghanistan & the wider region, Britain has a particular obligation to welcome refugees from the country.

That means actively providing safe, open passage & quickly processing asylum claims. After all the destruction, it’s the least we can do.

— Zarah Sultana MP (@zarahsultana) August 13, 2021

seriously

From the writer of Borat 2 pic.twitter.com/HZZD1yTvER

— Matt Wain (@TheMattWain) August 16, 2021

clearly some of the Loach haters know very little about cinema but then again I saw lefty posters yesterday taking the piss out of their ignorance + then posting "watch some blummin Shane Meadows movies, fule"!

It's not really not knowing about cinema, it's knowing that you'll always get props from a certain type for coming up with faux-populist attacks on Serious Directors. Totally cynical move.

I saw one of them reeling off a list of "proper" movies and it was quite clear this guy probably had seen a handful of movies since the days of Blockbusters

It doesn't what you think of Ken Loach, even casual movie watchers of my age know Kes is an untouchable str8 banger!

If there's a competition for worst Ken Loach take

Ian Austin proving not only is he a massive arsehole to write such a thing, but that he's also a massive coward to delete it a minute later. pic.twitter.com/iDaVmU09EL

— Matt Thomas (@Trickyjabs) August 15, 2021

xxp

I meant to say proper movie directors, lol he listed Sam Mendes

What was the actual unabridged Loach quote? Is there a clip?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anRhI2xezgA

here is what Loach wrote after

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/oct/05/ken-loach-i-give-no-legitimacy-to-holocaust-denial

god, he does choose exactly the wrong moment to crack out that line doesn't he. unfortunate. that said, expelling him over that seems excessive and definitely politically motivated. but it was a really terrible choice/timing of words ngl

it is sad that leftists have to safeguard themselves against starmerian opportunism, but it's also a game that isn't too hard to play even while expressing palestinian solidarity

he's asked a hypothetical based on an allegation - that there was this discussion at the party conference - that he doesn't believe. while he still wants to question that allegation he gives a dumb response to the broader hypothetical - in the spur of the moment. then afterwards he publicly states that he's not a Holocaust denier.

it's nothing but bad faith to use that as a gotcha to call him an antisemite and it's potentially libellous if that's all you've got to base calling him a Holocaust denier on imo

That’s not what he has been expelled for, as far as I can tell, either.

It looks like he was caught in the purge of members of proscribed groups within Labour, rather than for anything he’d actively done.

xp oh ofc, but it's still a v impolitic choice of answer. he isn't a politician tho so he shdn't have to be quite so careful

and yeah purges of 'proscribed groups' is v problematic, although if starmer keeps it up it will result in schism, which would be progress

oh yeah, the expulsion appears to be for him refusing to condemn other comrades who were expelled, because that's very normal

the "Loach is a Holocaust denier" bit has just been bandied about by exactly who you'd expect because god forbid they admit the Labour right is running a purge

there was a Loach interview on 5 live the other night and I felt quite sorry for him to some extent, but why bother remaining in the party? Some have commented that one of the things Starmer supporters used as evidence of what a decent soft-left knight-of-the-realm human rights barrister he is, was his role at the centre of the Ken Loach McLibel doc!

I've never watched it, but the scene where Kieth gets pissy with an office assistant because he's too thick to understand how a floppy disk works was classic Kieth.

'maybe he shouldn't have been mocking the guy's name'

'he's normally great but this is bad, he should apologise'

willing to die on this hill: no. no. no.

the weaponising of antisemitism-calling by hard-right cunts is the only cultural evil here. even making out that stewart lee has anything to apologise for is deeply fucking wrong imo, it is capitulation to the absolute and disingenuous fuckery of these true bastards and their attempts to shut down criticism by any ad hominem means necessary

― imago, Monday, 18 May 2020 bookmarkflaglink

look at their self-righteous tone, look at how their lickspittle followers descend on 'racist' stewart lee with unrestrained venom. this is the culture war and they try to make the most preposterous bullshit look like common sense. and we are too scared of offence to call them out properly. lee is not even remotely close to being antisemitic, nor is punning on tugendhat's name, and these cunts need to be told

― imago, Monday, 18 May 2020 bookmarkflaglink

this has made me so fucking enraged for some reason. i bet there's a retraction of some kind. no surrender, please

― imago, Monday, 18 May 2020 bookmarkflaglink

i see brendan o'neill has taken the same attitude as me, maybe time to quit the internet lol

― imago, Monday, 18 May 2020 bookmarkflaglink

i don't quite follow what your point is

stewart lee doing a routine based on the striking nature of an MP's name is not even comparable to what loach did there

"there was a Loach interview on 5 live the other night and I felt quite sorry for him to some extent, but why bother remaining in the party?"

Whatever his reasons he wants to remain in the party. One reason could be that Starmer is v much a lame duck, you wouldn't give him much more than 18 months in the post.

fair enough and he is a high profile member. Was just thinking he's left before - possibly a couple of times. There is also a good chance it won't be worth re-joining again in his lifetime.