They're already filming but imagine a show like this has a ton of post-production. There's no release date yet but guesses are early 2022
― Vinnie, Wednesday, 11 August 2021 14:49 (two years ago) link
Really enjoyed the show but agree with calstars, Several implausibilities in s2e10 cheapened the experience
― that's not my post, Wednesday, 11 August 2021 15:12 (two years ago) link
I went with S2 and enjoyed parts of it a lot, including the boffo last two episodes but yeah. had a bunch of issues, same one calstars did. I even found a Reddit thread deploring the somewhat icky and probably unnecessary "Stacy's Mom" subplot.
― No Particular Place to POLL (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 11 August 2021 16:01 (two years ago) link
oh hey I watched this show in just over a week, and now I say things like "Negative, Flight" when I don't want to do something. It's been fun learning about space stuff (lots of time spent looking up FIDO/GUIDO/astrowives/Sea Dragon/etc on Wikipedia)* and as called out before it shares with H&CF the joy of following the characters hang out/invent the future/screw up over the course of decades. Every scene in mission control is great.
The broader story and character arcs had a tendency to veer between predictable and wtf with not much in the middle, esp in S2.
most bizarre part: wartless portrayal of Reagan, double bizarre given some of the show's other themes
best characters: Margo and Molly by a distance. Wayne is cool too.
Roll on S3, though I guess the timelines must be diverging totally now and I don't really care about the next generation (I will not be happy if Kelly+Danny are the next couple with relationship issues; Aleida is fine)
*One thing I learned while looking into Ed's accident while dogfighting with Gordo was that the top cause of death for astronauts in the 1960s was crashing your T-38 while travelling between bases
― in a bar, under the (seandalai), Monday, 16 August 2021 14:13 (two years ago) link
Good write-up. I like all the characters, I guess, although it did take me a while to warm up to Wayne, but if I had to pick two (PO2- Flight, give me a read on those PO2 levels!) I'd go with Gordo and Kelly, I think.
― No Particular Place to POLL (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 16 August 2021 15:41 (two years ago) link
Soillers galore, obv, but: https://www.vox.com/culture/2021/4/23/22396461/for-all-mankind-season-2-finale-recap-the-grey-review-ron-moore
― No Particular Place to POLL (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 16 August 2021 15:55 (two years ago) link
Heh, interesting typo
― No Particular Place to POLL (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 16 August 2021 15:58 (two years ago) link
S3 Predictions:
-Most of the cast will return having been aged up by sprinkling baby powder in their hair, and nothing else
-In contrast, millions in special FX will be spent on de-aging Michael Stipe to redo the "Man on the Moon" video
-Ron Moore will make a cameo as a young writer at a newsstand reading a Variety article about TNG launching as two Cylons look on
― Philip Nunez, Monday, 16 August 2021 17:24 (two years ago) link
Lol!
― No Particular Place to POLL (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 16 August 2021 17:27 (two years ago) link
Absolute favourite moment was Margo's toothbrush pen
― in a bar, under the (seandalai), Monday, 16 August 2021 23:37 (two years ago) link
this is embarrassing but I knew literally nothing about Flight KAL 007 until this episode wikipedia read got me like O_O fukif anyone can recommend me a good book about it i’d be grateful
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 18 August 2021 04:26 (two years ago) link
Lol had no idea that was a real event either
― Vinnie, Wednesday, 18 August 2021 05:12 (two years ago) link
the wikipedia article is bananashttps://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_Air_Lines_Flight_007
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 18 August 2021 05:16 (two years ago) link
also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_Air_Flight_655
― in a bar, under the (seandalai), Wednesday, 18 August 2021 12:35 (two years ago) link
It truly is, 1983 was such a fucking minefield, I'm glad I was only 11 and all 'tra-la-la' not knowing what terrible cold war, human error shit was going on back then.
― Maresn3st, Wednesday, 18 August 2021 13:13 (two years ago) link
I had forgotten about the Soviets shooting down that Korean air lines flight. Question for season 3 (seems to be '93-'95), what event(s) from our timeline will show up in the FAM timeline? Soviet Union or Russia, the Balkan war, Bill Clinton becomes president, Hubble Space Telescope, tech/internet innovations?
― that's not my post, Wednesday, 18 August 2021 18:22 (two years ago) link
I guess Clinton will be knocking about doing something but the timelines should have diverged too much for any of the tech stuff to make sense (they already had video calls and electric cars in 1983, who needs AOL?). Oil presumably not so important so maybe Gulf War I didn't happen. USSR longevity is I guess the big question for the writers - they already didn't invade Afghanistan, does Chernobyl happen?
― in a bar, under the (seandalai), Wednesday, 18 August 2021 19:41 (two years ago) link
Speaking of real events in the series, I was somewhat relieved to not to have to relive the Challenger tragedy in '86. I think the show hinted at it a couple of times -- made it seem as if it was about to happen -- but then diverged.
― ncxkd, Wednesday, 18 August 2021 22:02 (two years ago) link
yeah they obliquely reference it in the ep with the korean airliner is shot downwhen Margo says to the Russian dude about the Apollo Soyuz (paraphrasing terribly) “we discovered a flaw in the o-ring that it cracks when it gets cold” the subtext is the challenger disaster was averted
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 18 August 2021 22:13 (two years ago) link
There's an awesome power these alternate history shows can have in avoiding historical tragedies. Though it wasn't as striking as, say, what Tarantino did in Inglorious Basterds or Once Upon a Time, I loved that the Challenger explosion was avoided
― Vinnie, Wednesday, 18 August 2021 23:05 (two years ago) link
KInd of hate alternate history unless it is done right, maybe that is a content-free statement, if so, sorry.
― Roffle Tolhurst (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 18 August 2021 23:09 (two years ago) link
yeah i liked how they handled it herestill really impactful & moving without any real signposting
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 18 August 2021 23:57 (two years ago) link
wikipedia read got me like O_O fuk
if anyone can recommend me a good book about it i’d be grateful
I was 17, just graduated high school and have vivid memories of the KAL007 shootdown. IIRC, the plane was overdue but there was already suspicion that the Soviets had shot it down because they had already shot down another KAL jet in 1978. A week later Jeane Kirkpatrick gave her speech to the UN Security Council. I listened to it in the car on I-40 somewhere between Barstow and Ludlow - I couldn't decide if I wanted to keep going home or turn around and hang out another couple of days with my stoner rockclimbing friends who were out at Kelso Dunes. I went home, but I was convinced that this was going to lead to some sort of retaliatory first strike and then an all-out nuke war. I was in OC - even the Laguna Beach commie hippies demanded bloodthirsty revenge.
Weird associative memory: I saw the Talking Heads at the Pacific Amp the night of the shootdown. I was listening to them constantly through this time.
The Air Crash Investigations episode on KAL 007 is well done.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYYqcDUDc44
― Elvis Telecom, Thursday, 19 August 2021 05:51 (two years ago) link
fuck, I don't want to sound like I'm age shaming, but as I watched the episode and realized that Tom was on a Korean Air jet I was seriously "oh shit, they're really going there!"
― Elvis Telecom, Thursday, 19 August 2021 06:01 (two years ago) link
As for future events? It's difficult to say, because everything that FAM season 2 has portrayed so far is performatively better than what aerospace engineering and NASA was proposing in the 1990s. I'd love to see the Star Raker make an appearance, but it's a 1978 proposal. After thirty years of a gung ho and well-funded NASA, spin-off tech can presumably be anything but I suspect the collapse of the Soviet Union (maybe the Mars mission will hasten it?) and the internet will be in season 3 somewhere.
― Elvis Telecom, Thursday, 19 August 2021 06:11 (two years ago) link
Long time since I've seen it, but I liked how Dark Skies worked itself into history (especially the UFO shooting down Francis Gary Powers). Too bad season 2 never happened.
― Elvis Telecom, Thursday, 19 August 2021 06:16 (two years ago) link
Get the Project Orion variation Freeman Dyson was working on calculations for and go to Alpha Centauri: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Orion_(nuclear_propulsion)
}At 0.1c, Orion thermonuclear starships would require a flight time of at least 44 years to reach Alpha Centauri, not counting time needed to reach that speed (about 36 days at constant acceleration of 1g or 9.8 m/s2). At 0.1c, an Orion starship would require 100 years to travel 10 light years. The astronomer Carl Sagan suggested that this would be an excellent use for current stockpiles of nuclear weapons."
― Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Thursday, 19 August 2021 07:30 (two years ago) link
Or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Daedalus
― Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Thursday, 19 August 2021 07:31 (two years ago) link
That's the scene after the credits play at the conclusion of season 3. USA & the fallen USSR team up and fulfill Sagan's vision.
― Elvis Telecom, Thursday, 19 August 2021 10:42 (two years ago) link
finished s2 and i bawled my face offwas not expecting it to go that way even though rationally i knew Moore always likes a good named-cast bodycount with finales please respect my privacy at this time ;_;
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 7 September 2021 06:49 (two years ago) link
I change my mind this show pulls its punches and leaves the important questions unasked and thus blows:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uuv6TVv0r44
― Leee Tigre (Leee), Saturday, 25 September 2021 00:06 (two years ago) link
We're not quite done the first season, but I think the premise of this show is totally ingenious. I love how it creates drama from subverting history (omg, are they going to kill Neil Armstrong?! etc.), making you root for characters who are not real but real-adjacent (omg, I can't believe we did it, I can't believe the pretend first woman on the moon pretend discovered water!!!). Like, sometimes you have to remind yourself that yeah, we *did* put a man on the moon, didn't we?
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 6 October 2021 15:47 (two years ago) link
twelve of them, even
― mh, Wednesday, 6 October 2021 15:56 (two years ago) link
so many mens
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 6 October 2021 16:03 (two years ago) link
Men on Moons
― He POLLS So Much About These Zings (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 6 October 2021 16:27 (two years ago) link
In any case, this topic caused a recent revive by me of DSKY-DSKY Him Sad: Official ILB Thread For The Heroic Age of Manned Spaceflight
― He POLLS So Much About These Zings (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 6 October 2021 16:51 (two years ago) link
Can’t remember if I brought it up on this thread or the other or neither, but Gene Kranz never actually said “Failure is not an option,” it was something written for his character to say in Apollo 13 and the real GK liked it so much he used it for the title of his book and ends up being spoken by his character in this show as well.
― He POLLS So Much About These Zings (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 10 October 2021 03:24 (two years ago) link
Wonder what will be the musical accompaniment to Margo's morning routine in the opening episode of Season Three. Speculations are welcomed.
― Spiral Scratchiti (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 12 October 2021 00:13 (two years ago) link
Anyway, rewatching a bit and enjoying, although I am a little more weary of the Forrest Gump-like musical cues, which I tolerated better the first go ground
― Spiral Scratchiti (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 12 October 2021 00:14 (two years ago) link
We just reached the high stakes space rescue episode of season 1, thrilling stuff!
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 12 October 2021 00:25 (two years ago) link
Gordo in all phases is my favorite thing about this whole series, he is so greatI loved Molly most of the way through but i think she got ~too~ ornery somewhere in there & wore out her welcome I feel bad but I didnt really care much about the lesbian astronaut? name?, but I didnt really enjoy that actor much, felt like she was just doing “bambi eyes” & hoping for the best
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 12 October 2021 02:31 (two years ago) link
ellen?
didn't recognise molly as penny from L O S T but don't think I'd have remembered penny from L O S T if I hadn't looked up molly
I have enjoyed this programme
― conrad, Tuesday, 12 October 2021 08:27 (two years ago) link
I really like the way Ellen is portrayed, the way the extra level of repression and her career feedback into each other in some kind of chicken and egg way, but then again maybe I have some special interest in repressed characters, see also longstanding fascination with Mary Woronov.
― Double Chocula (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 18 October 2021 00:51 (two years ago) link
We're a few episodes into season 2, and while I'm not terribly interested in all the domestic drama, the soap opera stuff, I'm loving the space drama.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 21 October 2021 01:58 (two years ago) link
Yeah, there’s always that to fall back on.
― Double Chocula (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 21 October 2021 02:14 (two years ago) link
Wow at that season 2 finale. It almost felt like a situation where, just in case, they came up with something that could stand as a series finale. Just in case. But I look forward to season 3, whenever it arrives. I think filming is done, at least.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 25 October 2021 02:33 (two years ago) link
love u gordohttps://hips.hearstapps.com/hmg-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/images/for-all-mankind-gordo-michael-dorman-s2-1619444342.jpg?crop=0.4993489583333333xw:1xh;center,top&resize=480:*
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 25 October 2021 02:47 (two years ago) link
Some of the rest of family has made it to S2E8 but they are blinking at watching the last two episodes.
― Exploding Plastic Bertrand (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 12 November 2021 00:01 (two years ago) link
buy the ticket take the ride, baby
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 12 November 2021 06:34 (two years ago) link
Wait, are you saying they've watched 18 of the 20 episodes but don't want to watch the final two?
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 12 November 2021 14:24 (two years ago) link