"we'll change the things that need changing and that's all we'll change": the paSUKification of post-brexit politics 2021

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I don't think she attacked him at all, but you're not suggesting she was engaging in homophobia, are you surely? She intimated that Tories like Vine making a big deal about extra-marital affairs should look to the adultery in their own marriage.

glumdalclitch, Friday, 2 July 2021 20:40 (five years ago)

that rumour from 2016 about a Gove affair with Dom seems off the mark, it was obv their amazing branes that fucked each other senseless

calzino, Friday, 2 July 2021 20:42 (five years ago)

🚨 | NEW: Number 10 has refused to say whether Michael Gove has broken any social distancing rules, and there are questions over his living arrangements during the lockdowns

Via @Telegraph

— Politics For All (@PoliticsForAlI) July 2, 2021

glumdalclitch, Friday, 2 July 2021 20:52 (five years ago)

Look, at this stage, I just want Gove to be destroyed, the man is a blight on public life

glumdalclitch, Friday, 2 July 2021 20:53 (five years ago)

I think teachers have a much greater hatred of Gove than even junior doctors have of Jeremy Cunt, so QED he'd have been a bigger danger to the NHS than Saj.

calzino, Friday, 2 July 2021 21:08 (five years ago)

https://t.co/caNAONYMgV pic.twitter.com/PkH0yfr2Lw

— Tom Williams (@shirleymush) July 2, 2021

xyzzzz__, Friday, 2 July 2021 21:42 (five years ago)

I won ÂŁ2.70 on euromillions tonight yaaaay!

calzino, Friday, 2 July 2021 21:55 (five years ago)

get in

《Myst1kOblivi0n》 (jim in vancouver), Friday, 2 July 2021 21:55 (five years ago)

Sarah Vine bullied a friend of mine to a breakdown, so screw her.

the thin blue lying (suzy), Friday, 2 July 2021 22:10 (five years ago)

this proposed rare policy announcement by Reeves, the "Buy British" plan, sounds very business focused and probably not as good as the similar one by Corbz, but it isn't half boiling the piss of the FBPE crowd so fair play!

MoMsnet (calzino), Sunday, 4 July 2021 09:45 (four years ago)

ANGELA Rayner has been accused of hypocrisy after calling out Matt Hancock over his affair — while keeping quiet on the nature of her relationship with a married MP.

if it's the Starmer office dishing the dirt on Rayner to the Sun that would be a bit rich and will be widely reported as Labour Party hypocrisy. lol fuck all these people tbh.

MoMsnet (calzino), Sunday, 4 July 2021 15:54 (four years ago)

"England will move into a period without legal restrictions where the public will have to exercise "personal responsibility" including on face masks, the housing secretary has said."

meanwhile:
https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/800/cpsprodpb/18487/production/_119236499_covid-in-uk-4jul21-nc.png

koogs, Sunday, 4 July 2021 16:41 (four years ago)

I figure if there is going to be a really bad new mutation of the virus in the next year, it's bound to occur on plague island. It sounds like Javid has ruled out Dido Harding for the NHS chief executive post, but the bad news is he is still Sajid Javid.

MoMsnet (calzino), Sunday, 4 July 2021 16:56 (four years ago)

Saw that crook Jenrick being interviewed earlier saying he wouldn't be wearing a mask after July 19th.

Are Animated Dads Getting Hotter? (Tom D.), Sunday, 4 July 2021 16:58 (four years ago)

leaving it up to individual choice isn’t really how this stuff works, is it??

Tracer Hand, Sunday, 4 July 2021 17:23 (four years ago)

“driving while drunk will now be at the discretion of individuals and a question of personal responsibility”

Tracer Hand, Sunday, 4 July 2021 17:24 (four years ago)

dont give them ideas

plax (ico), Sunday, 4 July 2021 17:58 (four years ago)

Personal responsibility ---> variant outbreak DEATH ---> blame shift on to public right?

Never changed username before (cardamon), Sunday, 4 July 2021 23:58 (four years ago)

I'm sure they've done polling and research that shows the Great British Public are absolutely primed to blame 'other people' for any upsurge.

Are Animated Dads Getting Hotter? (Tom D.), Monday, 5 July 2021 07:32 (four years ago)

I just noticed that the horrible bigoted idiot Tory MP (Lee Anderson) who is boycotting the England side for taking the knee. Well he was that Labour MP who defected to the tories in 2018 over Corbz. He's got loads of previous: young offenders should be sent to forced labour camps/that faked encounter with a constituent filmed by Crick/investigated for anti-Semitism to name a few.

MoMsnet (calzino), Monday, 5 July 2021 08:07 (four years ago)

Beware of media/political false narratives that anyone concerned about 19th July opening is 'pro-lockdown'. The govt, has conveniently framed policy as 'lockdown' vs 'open-up', when many countries have kept people safe without needing long-term restrictions.đź§µ

— Deepti Gurdasani (@dgurdasani1) July 5, 2021

Tracer Hand, Monday, 5 July 2021 08:17 (four years ago)

(xp) In deepest UDM country.

Are Animated Dads Getting Hotter? (Tom D.), Monday, 5 July 2021 08:18 (four years ago)

Unintelligent Dance Music?

Tim, Monday, 5 July 2021 08:22 (four years ago)

It's my favourite kind of dance music.

The Union of Democratic Mineworkers, great bunch of lads.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/long_reads/new-documents-reveal-true-extent-miners-cooperation-thatcher-a7851386.html

Are Animated Dads Getting Hotter? (Tom D.), Monday, 5 July 2021 08:33 (four years ago)

I remember them well but couldn't resist a cheap joke.

Tim, Monday, 5 July 2021 08:43 (four years ago)

And what about ventilation? Ventilation doesn't restrict anyone. If the govt so wants life to return to normal, why not invest in ventilation that would make it possible for people to be in workplaces, and children to be in schools in a safer way, and allow schools to stay open.

What would this look like in practice, in a country with almost no air conditioning? I haven’t seen much detail on this but it would be genuinely interesting if someone has worked through the practicality of safely ventilating all work and study space.

Scampo di tutti i Scampi (ShariVari), Monday, 5 July 2021 08:46 (four years ago)

the great thing about taking personal responsibility is that a lot of the precautions to prevent the spread of the virus involve not giving it to other people - so in effect the public will be free to decide from July 19 if they're safeguarding strangers. should go great.

Southgate Serves Imperialism (Noodle Vague), Monday, 5 July 2021 08:46 (four years ago)

can't wait to see how this goes for the retail and hospitality sectors. I can imagine some businesses maintaining a masks-on policy for all customers entering the premises, but no support for the people on the shop floor tasked with driving compliance.

boxedjoy, Monday, 5 July 2021 09:35 (four years ago)

yeah the masks-on policy is meaningless anyway since afaict most major chains make exceptions for health issues and how are you gonna evaluate whether a person is lying about those or not?

Daniel_Rf, Monday, 5 July 2021 09:39 (four years ago)

it's not even worth it. All you would get back is abuse. If you have genuine and real fears about your health, you'll order online and invite people you trust up to your house - you won't go into retail centres and restaurants because you understand how it could literally kill you.

boxedjoy, Monday, 5 July 2021 09:51 (four years ago)

it’s not “living with the virus” unless there’s actually halfway decent sick pay and proper support for people with long covid. this will just be living with increased rates of transmission

— Amelia Horgan (@AmeliaHorgan) July 4, 2021

xyzzzz__, Monday, 5 July 2021 10:05 (four years ago)

From my own experience of shopping in supermarkets, the vast majority of people are wearing masks, exponentially more than were wearing them a year ago. It took a long time to get to that position, so good work UK governemnt flinging all that away to cover up for Matt Hancock groping his adviser's arse!

Are Animated Dads Getting Hotter? (Tom D.), Monday, 5 July 2021 10:10 (four years ago)

Tories and Lab are in full agreement so unless there are protests and strike actions the only way this goes is hospitalisations being so high the restrictions are pushed back somehow.

xp

xyzzzz__, Monday, 5 July 2021 10:14 (four years ago)

Deaths per day would have to go back to triple figures before they ditch this. It's the herd immunity approach they always wanted.

nashwan, Monday, 5 July 2021 10:21 (four years ago)

Well hospitalisations per day without deaths could lead to collapse of the NHS?

Though the link between hospitalisations and deaths has been broken people feeling safe to do as they always have pre-covid will take time. Reckless actions don't help so I wonder if we will be looking at repressed economic activity until cases do really go down.

Which won't help the Tories, depending on how long it takes.

xyzzzz__, Monday, 5 July 2021 10:28 (four years ago)

speaking of the NHS, the biggest underlying problem the NHS faces is the sort of bullshit from all sides of the centrist feeb spectrum celebrating its anniversary this year. people clap for it and cheer it and celebrate like it's a wonderful miracle of fucking nature and humanity and it's not, it's a fiercely contested political decision based on how you believe wealth should be managed in this shithole country and the sententious praise harms the project as much as any amount of sneaky backdoor profiteering

it ought to be treated as a matter of fact, a matter of history, a minimum fucking response to the needs of a nation state's population that's grossly underfunded and mismanaged and needs to be built up drastically alongside social care and all the other infrastructure that makes peoples lives at the very least liveable

Southgate Serves Imperialism (Noodle Vague), Monday, 5 July 2021 12:03 (four years ago)

you get more honesty from from these think tanks that want it replaced with an insurance-based model than you do from most Labour politicians. Especially the ones who spew out crap about our incredible NHS when they didn't oppose New Labour advancing PFI's much further than even Major thought was possible.

MoMsnet (calzino), Monday, 5 July 2021 12:46 (four years ago)

BlackRock (who are buying entire neighbourhoods at 20-30% over asking price), Lloyds, other financial institutions and now,perhaps most surprisingly, John Lewis, are becoming private landlords.

"Buy land, God isn't creating more. And the internet can't disrupt it. Amen" https://t.co/a4Fxwr0WYS

— Nels Abbey (@nelsabbey) July 5, 2021

xyzzzz__, Monday, 5 July 2021 13:14 (four years ago)

Thank you er, David Davis for your resistance

Today the Government is presenting the Electoral Integrity Bill to the House. This Bill will contain provisions for Voter ID. Voter ID will potentially disenfranchise thousands of people. It is an illogical and illiberal solution to a non-existent problem

— David Davis (@DavidDavisMP) July 5, 2021

xyzzzz__, Monday, 5 July 2021 13:53 (four years ago)

Davies is pretty consistent on civil liberty issues, tbfttl. Opposes ID cards, mandatory CCTV in pubs, etc.

The John Lewis thing is interesting. It makes sense for empty town centre retail to be converted to housing but it’s going to have a radical impact on the nature of quasi-public space if it becomes the norm.

Scampo di tutti i Scampi (ShariVari), Monday, 5 July 2021 14:10 (four years ago)

yep he's a tory wanker but often he's quite a conviction pol when it comes to civil liberties, well apart from voting for the spycops bill with lots of Labour wankers as well!

MoMsnet (calzino), Monday, 5 July 2021 14:17 (four years ago)

Those dreaded words 'not bad for a Tory'

imago, Monday, 5 July 2021 14:32 (four years ago)

But enough about me! Etc etc oh the lols

imago, Monday, 5 July 2021 14:33 (four years ago)

Though the link between hospitalisations and deaths has been broken

Yep this is true for now, but every case is a potential variation, and we just need one that can shrug off one or more of the vaccines and we're off to the races again.

(Not to mention long COVID)

Andrew Farrell, Monday, 5 July 2021 14:38 (four years ago)

Cummings said he had taken the job in No 10 to “improve science, defence, Whitehall and more” – topics he had long ruminated on after his work in the civil service as a special adviser to Michael Gove.

The threat of Brexit remaining uncompleted, with Theresa May hamstrung by no parliamentary majority, could have meant another referendum, which would have left MPs unable to campaign safely outside London “without armed guards”, Cummings recalled he thought at the time.

When the thing you want more than anything is something others also want enough to physically harm elected representatives.

nashwan, Monday, 5 July 2021 14:59 (four years ago)

tbf there are plenty of things i want enough to physically harm elected representatives

just a bit of mordant humour, spycops, honest

Southgate Serves Imperialism (Noodle Vague), Monday, 5 July 2021 15:33 (four years ago)

Boris apparently making mask wearing on public transport non-mandatory because of "People sitting alone at night in train carriages."

Are Animated Dads Getting Hotter? (Tom D.), Monday, 5 July 2021 16:27 (four years ago)

You will not be surprised to find out none of what he's saying makes any sense.

Are Animated Dads Getting Hotter? (Tom D.), Monday, 5 July 2021 16:28 (four years ago)

"This is absolutely not the end of Covid, don't act like it is ..." <removes all restrictions>

stet, Monday, 5 July 2021 16:31 (four years ago)

Though the link between hospitalisations and deaths has been broken

Yep this is true for now, but every case is a potential variation, and we just need one that can shrug off one or more of the vaccines and we're off to the races again.

(Not to mention long COVID)

― Andrew Farrell, Monday, 5 July 2021 bookmarkflaglink

So the scientists at the press conf are saying the link has been weakened not broken, which is a distinction.

The rationale for the opening now (and correct me here please) is that at this point we are only delaying when (the models are very accurate on timing of waves) people get covid, apparently, not if. I think they are looking at getting people in and out of hospital now than late Autumn and winter where the expectation is of increased pressure on the nhs due to other diseases returning (flu).

If hospitalisations go up I'd say it will be hard to get economic activity going again. A deep recession is where we will see some real suffering.

xyzzzz__, Monday, 5 July 2021 16:40 (four years ago)


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