which cut? that one has something like four different cuts.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 1 July 2021 16:46 (two years ago) link
it is almost certainly whatever's on the scream factory release
― STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Thursday, 1 July 2021 16:50 (two years ago) link
Unclear. Looks like Scream Factory included the theatrical and director's cut, but this one on Criterion runs about 2:02, while the director's cut runs 2:04 or so (and the theatrical 2 hrs flat). The one you can rent on Amazon right now runs 2:01.
Heh, I guess there are actually 7 or 8 different cuts!
http://manhunter1986.com/miss00.html
Looking into it a bit more, it seems the Scream release was the theatrical in HD with stuff from the erstwhile DC spliced in. At this point I doubt many can tell one from the other.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 1 July 2021 19:14 (two years ago) link
Blackhat just popped up on HBO Max, so I guess I'll finally get to see it. It's the theatrical cut.
― but also fuck you (unperson), Friday, 2 July 2021 01:10 (two years ago) link
it's really awesome enjoy
― STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Friday, 2 July 2021 01:16 (two years ago) link
Last time it was on HBO (a few years back) it was Mann's revised cut. Much better sound mix and a few things shuffled around.
― too cool for zen talk (Eazy), Friday, 2 July 2021 01:31 (two years ago) link
It’s the recut/improved version on HBO Max. Instead of opening purely inside the electronic world, it establishes the nuclear reactor and the hacker in the opening minutes, as well as the breach itself — the first of many improvements.
― too cool for zen talk (Eazy), Friday, 2 July 2021 02:50 (two years ago) link
I'm about 45 minutes in now and the goofy inside-the-computer animation is really the only part I don't like so far. He's really a master of shooting digital. The contrast between a fight scene inside a restaurant (extremely close, hand-held, lots of quick cuts) and the long beautiful landscape shots is just stunning. I'm watching on a laptop with headphones, so some of the ADR-ed dialogue is really obvious, but whaddya gonna do. I'm also kind of pleasantly surprised by Hemsworth's accent work in this.
― but also fuck you (unperson), Friday, 2 July 2021 03:01 (two years ago) link
blackhat is pretty fucking good. some quibbles (mostly the unlikeliness of hemsworth's character and stuff like thousands of malaysians being treated as background in the climax instead of doing anything when one dude stabs another dude through the head with a screwdriver right in front of them) but way more positives - looks amazing, strong cast (i like that the big baddie is some actor i didn't recognize instead of a big star), very visceral action (that shootout that goes wrong in the second act, amazing). kind of felt like a grimmer, more realistic version of bourne/mission:impossible.
― na (NA), Tuesday, 13 July 2021 16:27 (two years ago) link
it's kind of a cosmic gumbo
― STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Tuesday, 13 July 2021 18:19 (two years ago) link
it almost moves to the beat of jazz
― not up to Aerosmith standards (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 13 July 2021 18:22 (two years ago) link
thousands of malaysians being treated as background in the climax instead of doing anything when one dude stabs another dude through the head with a screwdriver right in front of them
It’s funny how Blackhat, Collateral, and Miami Vice all have scenes where limbs are being broken in a crowd (in nightclubs in the latter two) and no one really notices or cares.
Watched Miami Vice (2006) for the 10th or 15th time tonight, and it still makes more sense with each viewing, on a pure story level.
― ... (Eazy), Thursday, 15 July 2021 05:31 (two years ago) link
Heat is a western
― Its big ball chunky time (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Sunday, 26 September 2021 05:25 (two years ago) link
watched blackhat for the first time and am mad at how bad the rating is on review aggregator sites for it.
looking forward to watching "the keep" and "the insider" to complete the Mann filmography
― 《Myst1kOblivi0n》 (jim in vancouver), Monday, 10 January 2022 23:06 (two years ago) link
The Insider is perfect. The Keep ... is not. Not as bad as is reputation has it, and some intriguing stuff, but a real mess all the same. I think there is a fan edit somewhere that is supposedly better?
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 10 January 2022 23:19 (two years ago) link
blackhat underrated yeah
btw I'm still a fiend for mojitos
― mh, Tuesday, 11 January 2022 00:14 (two years ago) link
how odd
pic.twitter.com/mgcMlPwHA0— Michael Mann (@MichaelMann) January 19, 2022
― Number None, Wednesday, 19 January 2022 19:05 (two years ago) link
Weird that this is a big “new development,” since Mann has been talking for a while about how the books would be stories of before and after the movie’s timeline.
I do wish they’d do some kind of chapter-by-chapter audio release. Could be as gripping as a Sunday-night HBO series.
― deep luminous trombone (Eazy), Wednesday, 19 January 2022 19:10 (two years ago) link
Also, Mann’s 78 now, so it makes sense that he would construct stories this way instead of going through the multi-year studio process.
― deep luminous trombone (Eazy), Wednesday, 19 January 2022 19:12 (two years ago) link
Just saw Blackhat. How was this not a hit?
― Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Thursday, 17 February 2022 03:26 (two years ago) link
The original cut didn’t work as well, and the dialogue was buried in the mix. Mann’s recut version (I’m assuming it’s what Netflix is offering) is better.
― deep luminous trombone (Eazy), Thursday, 17 February 2022 05:46 (two years ago) link
No, pretty sure Netflix has the theatrical cut.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 17 February 2022 06:09 (two years ago) link
On the other hand, after months/years of off and on searching, I did finally find a copy of the director's cut!
https://m***.nz/folder/fTpywAKR#4O0np-7qEKjR1upGA9YD5A
(Where of course m*** is mega)
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 17 February 2022 14:52 (two years ago) link
Blackhat is good and maybe up in my hacking movie top five with Sneakers and Hackers
― mh, Thursday, 17 February 2022 17:48 (two years ago) link
Thanks for the link JiC. I haven't seen Blackhat since it was new in the theaters - can't believe I haven't rewatched already.
― Elvis Telecom, Friday, 18 February 2022 06:42 (two years ago) link
Yeah, me either, not since theatres, because I didn't particularly like it and struggled to find the DC (which screened only once or twice and sometimes shows up on Deep Cable but is otherwise inexplicably hard to come by). Mann's director's cuts aren't always better, or at least are not always clear improvements, but this one seems to right a couple of glaring wrongs. Like, if you start your movie about hackers taking out a nuclear power plant, then hackers targeting the stock market or whatever seems a step down. Also, if I read correctly, there are all sorts of much more subtle dialogue tweaks (which I will surely miss because I don't remember much about the movie period, let alone the dialogue).
The other Mann movie I've only ever seen once is "Public Enemies," I wonder how that one holds up?
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 18 February 2022 13:49 (two years ago) link
OK, I just watched the director's cut and I liked the theatrical version, but holy crap, the director's cut is miles better. It's ridiculous that it's just been allowed to fall into a crack in the earth. Release that version on Blu-Ray!
― but also fuck you (unperson), Friday, 18 February 2022 21:02 (two years ago) link
I get why they shuffled things around, even if it makes little sense plot-wise
The DC (I'm a half hour in, thanks Josh) is more of a slow burn, which makes the escalation of stakes/violence clear. I can see where the beginning hack wouldn't play with audiences initially -- a quick spike in commodity prices that probably stabilized fairly quickly before consumers ever noticed -- but it's exactly the sort of structural financial and logistical threat that's a more familiar concept now. I remember reading about the huge Maersk shipping hack in 2017 and rewatching the movie.
Another interesting point of information: The Chicago stock exchange (which handled a lot of agriculture futures) that is hacked in the movie, resulting in soybean prices being spiked, ceased to exist in 2019 and was rolled into the NYSE
― mh, Saturday, 19 February 2022 19:09 (two years ago) link
Whoops, my bad -- I was thinking of the Chicago stock exchange. They probably hacked the Chicago Mercantile Exchange, which has absorbed the Chicago Board of Trade
― mh, Saturday, 19 February 2022 19:11 (two years ago) link
I watched Thief recently, my first Mann, and it was different from the expectations I had from reviews and the impression I've developed of his work. I anticipated something that was a very slick, flashy, image-obsessed thriller with existential pretensions, and while this isn't an incorrect description, the actual film came closer to a muted, downbeat late 70s demimonde character study (though it was by no means amateurish). I didn't love it, but probably liked it more than the film I thought it would be. I guess "slick" and "flashy" both underwent exponential growth over the course of 80s filmmaking and TV; I guess I thought I would be seeing the Lexicon of Love of crime films.
― Halfway there but for you, Monday, 21 February 2022 16:37 (two years ago) link
aside from his involvement in the miami vice tv show i would describe no mann project as slick or flashy
― STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Monday, 21 February 2022 20:07 (two years ago) link
Colin Farrell's hair is very slick in Miami Vice
― papal hotwife (milo z), Monday, 21 February 2022 20:08 (two years ago) link
his shirts are flashy
― So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 21 February 2022 20:27 (two years ago) link
omigod @ "the Lexicon of Love of crime films -- what a phrase and aspiration!
What about Diva?
― So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 21 February 2022 20:28 (two years ago) link
>> the Lexicon of Love of crime films
The Thomas Crown Affair (original)
― but also fuck you (unperson), Monday, 21 February 2022 20:51 (two years ago) link
I prefer the '99 remake.
― So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 21 February 2022 21:15 (two years ago) link
I would too (I'm a McQueen agnostic-at-best) if it weren't for Denis Leary.
― but also fuck you (unperson), Monday, 21 February 2022 21:19 (two years ago) link
aw yeahhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3oWrNQo_Ng
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 14 March 2022 22:41 (two years ago) link
i’m a fiend for sake
― mh, Monday, 14 March 2022 22:45 (two years ago) link
looks like a TV show. visually a little dull?
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Monday, 14 March 2022 22:47 (two years ago) link
it is a tv show?
― mh, Monday, 14 March 2022 22:48 (two years ago) link
Yeah. And Mann is exec producer.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 14 March 2022 22:50 (two years ago) link
right, but luck didn't look like a tv show. maybe it's just the trailer.
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Monday, 14 March 2022 22:50 (two years ago) link
Mann directed the first episode of this, too.
He's also in pre-production on an Enzo Ferrari biopic starring Adam Driver. The Jez Butterworth screenplay that become Ford v. Ferrari was originally a Mann project.
He's getting up there in age. I hope we'll see another good movie from him.
― deep luminous trombone (Eazy), Monday, 14 March 2022 22:57 (two years ago) link
Don't give a poop about a Ferrari movie - leave that shit to Ridley Scott - but I saw something about a Michael Mann sci-fi project ...
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 14 March 2022 23:03 (two years ago) link
Ford v Ferrari was a good movie, though!
― mh, Monday, 14 March 2022 23:18 (two years ago) link
I read the book Tokyo Vice is based on - looking forward to this
― Elvis Telecom, Tuesday, 15 March 2022 04:59 (two years ago) link
ugh ansel elgort. i'll watch this but still ugh.
― na (NA), Tuesday, 15 March 2022 14:13 (two years ago) link
First episode is really good so far. Very Mann. Totally cold open. Looks beautiful.
― but also fuck you (unperson), Friday, 8 April 2022 23:31 (two years ago) link
Yeah, loved the opening, loved the setting and also how dialogue could seem credibly "stilted" given the cultural and language barriers between the characters.
― deep luminous trombone (Eazy), Friday, 8 April 2022 23:33 (two years ago) link