"I'm a sovereign human being, I stand under common law only" - Thread of Freemen

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cant stop giggling at closing with "THANK YOU AND I LOVE YOU ALL", sounds like how God would end a conference call. "I MADE YOU IN MY OWN IMAGE AND I HAVE ANOTHER MEETING BACK-TO-BACK WITH THIS ONE"

nobody like my rap (One Eye Open), Monday, 28 June 2021 16:59 (three years ago) link

INTERVIEW WITH RENOWNED DIPSHIT AT 8PM. ENJOY!!!

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 29 June 2021 10:28 (three years ago) link

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/07/03/massachusetts-police-standoff/

Police in Wakefield, Mass., arrested 11 people Saturday after an hours-long standoff with a group of heavily armed men who fled into the woods near Interstate 95, sparking stay-at-home orders for nearby residents and a highway shutdown.

According to the Wakefield Police Department, several men, carrying rifles and handguns fled into the woods off the highway around 1:30 a.m., after refusing to comply with orders during a motor vehicle stop. The men claim to belong to a group that “does not recognize our laws,” police said.

Members of the group later said they were traveling from Rhode Island to Maine for “training.”

Profiles in Liquid Courage (WmC), Saturday, 3 July 2021 16:17 (three years ago) link

Is the quoted bit the entire article? It’s as far as I could get behind the paywall.

The Graun makes it sound like it all started because they ran out of gas:

The stand-off began around 2am when police noticed two cars pulled over on I-95 with hazard lights on after they apparently rqn out of fuel, authorities said at a press briefing.

recovering internet addict/shitposter (viborg), Saturday, 3 July 2021 22:02 (three years ago) link

Actually I think they took it from AP? The article changed since I first read it though. Earlier it had a quote from the fuzz that sounded fairly sympathetic to the sovereign citizen perspective.

recovering internet addict/shitposter (viborg), Saturday, 3 July 2021 22:05 (three years ago) link

They were Moorish sovereign citizens, a weird and fascinating subset of the general sovcit movement. Here's a really good Twitter thread with lots of stories about various incidents across the country:

What is a Moorish Sovereign, and why does it matter? A thread.

— JJ MacNab (@jjmacnab) July 3, 2021

but also fuck you (unperson), Saturday, 3 July 2021 22:27 (three years ago) link

ahh ty for context

good stuff about that movement here:

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/473653.Gone_to_Croatan

sleeve, Saturday, 3 July 2021 22:31 (three years ago) link

I have a copy of that book, it used to be rather hard to find for whatever reason. Some of what's in it is great...some other stuff, not so much.

heyy nineteen, that's john belushi (the table is the table), Saturday, 3 July 2021 22:55 (three years ago) link

today’s incident happened in the town where i grew up like 5 mins from my parents house.

call all destroyer, Saturday, 3 July 2021 23:54 (three years ago) link

The context is appreciated yeah.

From Goodreads: “Recommends it for: people who don't think howard zinn goes far enough”

Hmm. Seems like Zinn was mainly focused on how systemic oppression was cooked into America’s pot from the beginning; I’m not getting that from the blurb for this book so much. It still looks interesting though.

Regarding the Moorish Sovereigns specifically though it looks like they position themselves at the intersection of the Montana Freemen and the Black Hebrew Israelites. Yikes. I wonder if they’re affiliated with that cult that got shut down in Georgia a few years back.

recovering internet addict/shitposter (viborg), Sunday, 4 July 2021 01:28 (three years ago) link

I wonder if they’re affiliated with that cult that got shut down in Georgia a few years back.

Yes. The long-ass Twitter thread I linked goes into that a little. The main dude was sentenced to 135 years in prison and is suing the US government for $2 billion from his cell.

but also fuck you (unperson), Sunday, 4 July 2021 01:51 (three years ago) link

I'm surprised a judge would allow a suit like that to proceed, although the $2 billion is just a figure the guy pulled out of his ass and the real question is whether he has appropriate grounds for his filing. Given how whacko these freemen are, that seems... questionable.

it is to laugh, like so, ha! (Aimless), Sunday, 4 July 2021 02:23 (three years ago) link

Cheers unperson. (I did take a quick dive into that rabbit hole you linked but it seems I withdrew prematurely.)

recovering internet addict/shitposter (viborg), Sunday, 4 July 2021 04:19 (three years ago) link

viborg, there's some good stuff in there— Guillermo Gomez-Peña, Jack Forbes, Peter Linebaugh. I'd say it's about half crank and conspiracy stuff, and half legitimate radical scholarship.

heyy nineteen, that's john belushi (the table is the table), Sunday, 4 July 2021 20:50 (three years ago) link

It didn't live up to my expectations, to be honest— at the time I ordered it, I was much more interested in learning about communes, intentional communities, hermetic individuals, and hobo types. But it has actually come in handy a few times.

heyy nineteen, that's john belushi (the table is the table), Sunday, 4 July 2021 20:52 (three years ago) link

Were you thinking about taking up the hobo life? I’m not being dismissive, I’ve considered it as an option tbh. (We used to hop trains for fun as kids. I once got arrested for a particularly drunken episode involving me in my Mohawk hanging off a freight train, flipping off Southern small-town cops.)

recovering internet addict/shitposter (viborg), Sunday, 4 July 2021 22:22 (three years ago) link

I think I could definitely do alright as a hermit.

But yeah I’d pick up the book if I saw it available somewhere, idk if I’m going to go out of my way to read it, cheers.

I am a bit more interested in some actual sequels to Zinn’s work that I saw mentioned in ILBooks.

recovering internet addict/shitposter (viborg), Sunday, 4 July 2021 22:25 (three years ago) link

I'm pretty sure the Nation of Islam evolved out of a split in the Moorish Temple

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 4 July 2021 22:29 (three years ago) link

viborg, I did live the hobo life for a while. I even was a caretaker for this place in the winter of 2015-2016.

A lot of my written work, in one way or another, explores the possibility of dropping out of society, or the way those inhabiting "the third landscape" live— I've lived off-grid, in squats, on land projects, and in a truck, the latter for several years.

I highly recommend the Dunbar-Ortiz, "Indigenous Peoples' History of the United States." It's the base text for a lot of indigenous studies and literature classes— the prose is fluid, angry, and harrowing.

heyy nineteen, that's john belushi (the table is the table), Monday, 5 July 2021 13:34 (three years ago) link

(I should say that my hobo days are probably behind me, I have a mortgage and nearly died two years ago, but I plan on riding trains again at some point, if only for a crew change or two)

heyy nineteen, that's john belushi (the table is the table), Monday, 5 July 2021 13:35 (three years ago) link

I'm pretty sure the Nation of Islam evolved out of a split in the Moorish Temple

― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, July 4, 2021 6:29 PM (yesterday)

Yes: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noble_Drew_Ali

rob, Monday, 5 July 2021 15:56 (three years ago) link

xpost

Thanks for the recommendation, I will definitely add it to my wanted list. Your experiences sound very cool, hope I get a chance to check out some of your writing!

recovering internet addict/shitposter (viborg), Tuesday, 6 July 2021 06:11 (three years ago) link

Jan 6 defendant Pauline Bauer made a motion to have her case dismissed.

It's worth a look ==> pic.twitter.com/FTifSc9hR4

— Scott MacFarlane (@MacFarlaneNews) July 16, 2021

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Tuesday, 20 July 2021 05:22 (three years ago) link

wow

i need to save this for the next time i want to get out of jury duty

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 20 July 2021 05:32 (three years ago) link

right wingin', bitter clingin', proud clinger

mookieproof, Tuesday, 20 July 2021 05:51 (three years ago) link

saw some kind of moorish "license plate" on a truck this morning, did a pretty good job of looking vaguely official.

circles, Wednesday, 28 July 2021 04:39 (three years ago) link

one thing i have always enjoyed about sovereign citizens is that they employ all kinds of made up arguments why the law doesn't apply to their vessel but use actual laws (wrongly) in service of those arguments. i mean why bother? how could brady v. maryland have existed if maryland didn't have jurisdiction over brady?

criminally negligible (harbl), Wednesday, 28 July 2021 15:26 (three years ago) link

LOL @ this stupid cunt getting a little taste of the sort of justice meted out in the place that is every right wing wanker's wet dream.

He claimed he was “sovereign” throughout the trial, adding “the charges don't apply to me”.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2021/08/05/briton-refused-wear-mask-singapore-remanded-mental-health-facility/

Soundtracked by an ecojazz mixtape (Tom D.), Friday, 6 August 2021 10:18 (three years ago) link

That is 100% the approach to take imo

fix up luke shawp (darraghmac), Friday, 6 August 2021 11:12 (three years ago) link

this is bad for various reasons but yeah why not?

i wish i had cuck feet (Noodle Vague), Friday, 6 August 2021 11:15 (three years ago) link

claiming you're sovereign as an employee of a british company working in singapore really hits different than US sovereign citizens at home

mh, Friday, 6 August 2021 14:25 (three years ago) link

always been one of the charms of it over here, a nonsensical magic reading of US history and law goes to another level of stupid as a reading of Brit history and law

i wish i had cuck feet (Noodle Vague), Friday, 6 August 2021 15:32 (three years ago) link

apologies if this has already been posted, but a friend pointed it out when I mentioned I was taking my daughter to a soft play facility. The story also has lower league football!
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-57322352

Neil S, Monday, 9 August 2021 12:50 (three years ago) link

An ex-footballer who claimed the Magna Carta allowed him to keep his soft play centre open during Covid restrictions has been fined more than £4,500.

lmao
Is 'Cirque D-Play' supposed to be a pun?

kinder, Monday, 9 August 2021 13:30 (three years ago) link

it's pretty much perfect isn't it. I liked how he was such a "freeman" thast he didn't bother to turn up to court and got fined a load of money anyway.

Neil S, Monday, 9 August 2021 14:41 (three years ago) link

I used to love watching these guys get arrested until I learned of the moorish submovement, and now my schadenfreude is confused.

Sassy Boutonnière (ledriver), Tuesday, 10 August 2021 05:03 (three years ago) link

More Magna Carta-related japery: https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/aug/17/protesters-claim-to-seize-edinburgh-castle-citing-magna-carta

A group of about 20 protesters entered Edinburgh Castle on Tuesday evening, claiming to have “seized” the landmark under article 61 of Magna Carta.

The protesters filmed their protest on Facebook Live. In a 13-minute video, a woman says the castle “belongs to the people” and that they are “taking our power back”. She adds the Scottish people have been “lied to all our lives” and that the “building belongs to us, we have taken the castle back” in an effort to “restore the rule of law”.

A man adds: “Treason’s been going on for that long now, we can’t sit back and let everybody perish under the stupid legislation and fraudulent government tyranny, so let’s just take it all back, not just the castle.”

As police officers appear in the footage, the female protester told officers they were seizing the castle under article 61 of Magna Carta. Magna Carta – signed by King John in 1215 – has never applied in Scotland as it predates the Act of Union.

A spokesperson for Historic Environment Scotland told the Edinburgh Evening News: “A group of around 20 individuals entered Edinburgh Castle this evening without payment. After refusing requests to leave the premises Police Scotland were called to the site and are dealing with the matter. There are no other visitors currently on site.”

keeping myself to myself (Matt #2), Tuesday, 17 August 2021 22:59 (three years ago) link

the section in magna carta abt the entry fee to tourist sites

mark s, Wednesday, 18 August 2021 09:53 (three years ago) link

Lol my first thought was "Scotland was a separate kingdom in 1215 you doofs"

Tumbledown Duck (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 18 August 2021 10:05 (three years ago) link

Geniuses.

"Bobby Gillespie" (ft. Heroin) (Tom D.), Wednesday, 18 August 2021 10:28 (three years ago) link

A sovcit loony is running for Congress in Arizona; he has a notice on his website about wanting to return grand juries to the people(???) so politicians can be prosecuted for telling people to wear masks, or something. I don't know, I tried reading it and when I got to the Magna Carta stuff my eyes started to bleed.

but also fuck you (unperson), Saturday, 28 August 2021 01:17 (three years ago) link

He wants to be a legislator so that he can pass laws that no one has to obey?

it is to laugh, like so, ha! (Aimless), Saturday, 28 August 2021 01:23 (three years ago) link

one month passes...

On June 16, Ms. Little came to inspect her dream home. She had closed on it in February and was planning renovations before moving in.

Buying the home felt like a triumph for Ms. Little, who grew up mostly in Florida as a foster child, finding security as a teenager only when her high school principal took her in.

She graduated from the University of Central Florida but struggled as a young adult, living out of motel rooms for periods of time. Now a senior customer service specialist with Jaguar Land Rover North America, she could afford to buy a house.

She tried to unlock the door but was puzzled: the locks had been replaced. The next day, she returned with a locksmith and was confronted by two men, one of whom was Mr. John and who said the house was his. After a heated exchange she called the police.

When the police arrived, both Ms. Little and Mr. John showed documents claiming the house was theirs, according to a report of the incident issued by Brian A. O’Hara, the Newark public safety director. She shared the property deed proving ownership, Ms. Little said, he the fabricated papers bearing the Al Moroccan seal.

The men “claimed to be sovereign citizens of the Al Moroccan Empire and that their status permitted them access to the property,” Mr. O’Hara’s report said. The officers verified that Ms. Little bought the house in February, and they asked the men to leave. They did.

Thirty minutes later, Mr. John returned, brushed past Ms. Little on the porch, she said, opened the door with his own key and locked it behind him.

When Young Sheldon began to rap (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 28 September 2021 04:25 (three years ago) link

three weeks pass...

this v much belongs here

Self important dicks doing self important shit at Colchester Hospital. pic.twitter.com/QTWJBfIPtU

— Nullen, Hoofwanking Spangletwat, Biscuit Overlord. (@sfinn80) October 20, 2021

look on my guacs, ye mighty, and dis pear (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 20 October 2021 16:48 (three years ago) link

The obvious thing to do with these twats is to laugh in their faces.

Starmer: "Let the children boogie, let all the children boogie." (Tom D.), Wednesday, 20 October 2021 17:32 (three years ago) link

"Sir - you do realize that you're wearing sweat pants out in public..?"

What is this all about? I heard something about crimes against humanity.

Andy the Grasshopper, Wednesday, 20 October 2021 17:37 (three years ago) link

She should have dumped them all in a trash can right in front of them.

Hannibal Lecture (PBKR), Wednesday, 20 October 2021 17:37 (three years ago) link

they're bringing some kind of imaginary legal action against all the NHS staff because Covid isn't real, also something about the Pope running all the businesses in the world

look on my guacs, ye mighty, and dis pear (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 20 October 2021 17:39 (three years ago) link

The bit about the Pope did throw me a bit tbh.

Starmer: "Let the children boogie, let all the children boogie." (Tom D.), Wednesday, 20 October 2021 17:40 (three years ago) link


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