"we'll change the things that need changing and that's all we'll change": the paSUKification of post-brexit politics 2021

Thangam Debbonaire told female party members at a meeting last weekend that introducing free social care for disabled and older people would “give the Tories a stick to beat Labour with”

She also said that right-wing newspapers would attack the policy and that it would lose Labour the next election.

Several CLPs had passed motions calling for free social care, and a draft composite motion included two references to free social care, including a call for Labour to promise “to make the provision of all social care free to the recipient as is the case for health care under the NHS” and for social care to be “needs-based and publicly funded, free at the point of use”.

But the final version of the motion, prepared just before the meeting, expunged all mentions of free social care.

at this point I'd be happy to see these fuckers literally getting beaten with sticks.

"it would lose them the next election" !!!!!

Like the Tories need any more sticks.

their biggest stick to beat them with is how unpopular and shit the leader is. It's now looking like they are fixing to try and stick with Kieth post Batley + Spen defeat because they are terrified at the prospect of the hard-left socialism that potential successors like Rayner or Burnhim would bring to the party 🤡🤡

have seen some people on Twitter trying to push Rayner to launch a challenge today

i know it's been said itt before but i do find labour's relentless and futile mission to get people who don't vote labour to vote for them whilst simultaneously ensuring people who do vote labour won't astonishing. their unwavering belief in this strategy is breathtaking.

I doubt they actually believe it at this point they just hate lefties and minorities so much

so much of this can only be explained by spite and racism

it's complex when you are a naturally right-wing small c conservative + unprincipled and bigoted career politician who only happened to join the Labour Party because they were winning at the time or it's a family biz - because you have to pretend be moderately centre-left and nice. While at the same time saying fuck off to disabled, trans, muslim ethnic minorities, BAME communities, working poor people - a huge chunk of the non-Tory voting folks the Party needs to build a coalition with if they are really serious about ever being in power again.

the Spenborough Valley side of B+S (not the ilx house band, the constituency!) probably always largely voted tory because it is very white and middle class zone, but not culturally m/c. So the story that should be running isn't working class people switching to the tories - it's Kieth alienating the 20% South Asian Community voters in Batley who had helped Labour stay in power for probably at 3-4 times in recent history. But of course the voters are being blamed and called anti-Semites by the Party and the press because it's a normal country.

from some of their POVs they were doing fine with it until certain people got it in their heads that they didn't need to say fuck off or settle with being told to fuck off. this was perceived as a kind of contagion with the potential to derail their entire career plans and they see themselves as having only barely got it under control now, hence the need to stamp out any traces. this is more important than winning, or keeping the party together, some have said this explicitly. even if a few of them initally believed they were just doing what was necessary to achieve those goals, the goals have long become secondary, and disposable if necessary. what's that shakespeare quote about being steeped so far in blood you can't go back

they want to lose if winning requires the support of the wrong kind of people. this can't be overstated and i've been trying to convince people of this for ages

I can't remember which Labour prick it was it who recently said (I think it was before Hartlepool) that they are "now being more selective about which voters they are chasing". I mean such hubris when you are 14-18 pts behind the tories - oh we don't want any of the rubbish elements of society voting for us, just the high quality voters thank you very much. It might have been Mandelson, actually.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZ6JxAgmxXg

blair said something similar, semi-retired elders are more willing to be candid about it

i know it's been said itt before but i do find labour's relentless and futile mission to get people who don't vote labour to vote for them whilst simultaneously ensuring people who do vote labour won't astonishing. their unwavering belief in this strategy is breathtaking.

Perfect summary

Grim grim prospect that it's shagging a mate that he hired that will do for Matt Hancock.

His boss is Boris Johnson.

Noted foe of hypocrisy!

This would be a very fortuitous way (suspiciously so) to ditch a problem minister for any PM other Boris Johnson.

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— Mr J.T. English 🇵🇸 (@JailTheEnglish) June 25, 2021

are they saving the cctv footage of Kieth shagging the mate he hired in his office until the next election?

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/jun/24/keir-starmer-tells-pm-to-ditch-yacht-and-tackle-antisocial-behaviour

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E4tXsoNXoAA7yRy?format=jpg&name=large

11 years of austerity stripping public services to the bone, nearly 3 million people using foodbanks and all this fucking cunt cares about is people rarsing quadbikes about near posh neighbourhoods. I had to check if this wasn't some parody.

lol just found out that hancock's arcuri is married to oliver bonas

what even is oliver bonas i have long wondered

as someone already said, imagine the despair of being cucked by Hancock - jeez you might as well give up.

she's got oliver boners?

https://cdn.rt.emap.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2020/04/03084415/Oliver-Bonas-for-web.jpg

the cuck is called Oliver Tress and he's a top fashion guru or something!

no he owns oliver bonas which is like a weird gift shop that sells high street officewear

when you apply for a Tory govt minister aide vacancy I wonder if there is a: are you either a millionaire or married to a millionaire yes/no bit on the application form

how far back does the "party of law and order" bullshit go? see also "party of business" I guess

if Debbonaire insists all their policy making is subject to Conservative Party approval and the right-wing press getting the final word, then a very fine opposition party they are.

National treasure Mary Beard there, defending the appointment of George Osborne as part of their efforts to make the British Museum, and I quote, "more diverse" https://t.co/PiWEWt9aBp

— Dan Hancox (@danhancox) June 25, 2021

another from the bbc history dept I'm cancelling forever.

Mary beard is pretty horrible

A real know your place pleb peddler in the great reithian tradition

I have always wanted to like Mary because she consistently takes flak from scumbags but she is responsible for some of the stupidest bits of narration I've ever heard in a TV history doc

Also she's clearly a fucking tory ffs

Mary Beard is bad for other reasons Plax is probably alluding to but it doesn’t look like she’s defending appointing Osborne on diversity grounds there.

I think her comments about the Oxfam scandals and subsequent behaviour when called out was pretty gross and very much in line with pretty grim pronouncements on Rhodes must fall etc. I think her main commitment is to institutions and power and whether or not she realises how commensurate this is with white supremacy is of little interest to me but seemingly to her also

but claiming they are committed to diversity after appointing Gideon is pretty much the same as imo

I found the moment when I gave up on her:

Mary Beard's Julius Caesar documentary this week was so bad that I turned it off twice.

Opening pointless scene of somebody giving birth, "not many people know that the C in C Section stands for Caesarean" ffs, turned over

Flipped back 30 minutes later "not many people know that July is named after Julius Caesar" ffmfffs, OFF

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is it too late to note that rolf's royal portrait resembles no one so much as rory mcgrath

the moral arc of an ilx thread can be long, but it bends toward rory mcgrath

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omg - it's true what they say - the eyes follow you

Lol dying at "not many know that everything is named after Julius Caesar"

I can accept that some of the more mildly left-wing history profs might not get space on the bbc in the current milieu, but that doesn't strictly mean the horribly meltish + tory ones have to be so fucking tedious and unwatchable!

mark s at 11:35 25 Jun 21
is it too late to note that rolf's royal portrait resembles no one so much as rory mcgrath

Shouldn't she have a kangaroo peeking out from under her crown or something?

never heard it called that before!

I don't like Mary Beard. She has been very over-promoted.

No-one should defend the appointment of Osborne to anything, as she was doing.

re: Labour and free social care? -- what I don't get, as usual, is: why do pensioners and homeowners, notoriously, not vote Labour? (Leaving aside the direness of KS's particular Labour.)

I have written here before that I think it makes sense for a homeowner to want social democracy.

I add that the elderly, pensioners, et al also ought to want social democracy, guaranteed state pensions, a better NHS, and yes, especially - free social care. Why on earth would that policy be a vote-loser among that particular consitutency?

I can see one possible reason for an old homeowner to fear Labour, namely: inheritance tax. (ie: fear for what will happen *after* they die!) But that's hypothetical; I'm not sure that Labour has even had a distinct position on inheritance tax.

I think these pundits somewhat agree with me that free social care should logically be a popular, not unpopular, policy among older people.

So true. The turning point of the 2017 election was Labour rejecting putting the costs of adult social care onto individuals.

The grim truth with Starmer’s corporate Labour is they would have called the dementia tax a good idea. https://t.co/Gz3I82TLBS

— Aaron Bastani (@AaronBastani) June 24, 2021