2008 Primaries Thread 3: The Rejecting and Denouncening

jesus christ at "zionists". israel fucking happened, get over it, this isn't 1905.

also where the fuck is john edwards these days, and can his endorsement yet be relevant this late in the primary?

I guess the main drawback with Bloomie is that he's from a safe Democratic state - though maybe his appeal could transcend regional lines and reach out to Western and Midwestern libertarians.

Actually, given the last 15 months o' nuthin I need this explained to me again.

-- Dr Morbius, Thursday, March 27, 2008 11:29 AM (8 seconds ago) Bookmark Link

its because she knows how to play the game - totally not saying it helps where shit actually matters morbs - just that she did claw her way to the top of the democratic heap is all

yeah I getcha.

how about radical racist Zionists, nrq?

also, Bloomie would cover the repressing civil liberties flank after his lockups at the RNC '04.

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bloomies appeal (like giulianis before him) is mostly a media construction - once people actually get a look at this guy they will not like him - even people who admire him here in nyc kinda do it through gritted teeth

Bloomberg's out-of-state appeal is in FL (and CA), as Morbs said in code

he doesn't help in the midwest, but hagel - for whom one could argue he is a proxy of sorts - might

i mean the plains variety of 'midwest' there

bloomies appeal (like giulianis before him) is mostly a media construction

yea exactly

i do think bloomie could be a nationwide plus for obama playing a less than vp type of role - conomic adviser or whatnot - that way they get to rub the media shine w/o anyone actually scrutinizing the weird guy

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I don't think Rudy's appeal was a media construction - people responded positively to what he did on 9/11. He had a bit of understandable fame from that episode. People liked what they had heard about him. That wasn't a media construction - and least not any more so than any other candidate's appeal. It's just that there was more to Rudy that people didn't know about - such as the unsavory details of the personal life, and the rough edges of the personality. I don't think Bloomberg has the seamy underside that Giuliani did, but he doesn't have the celebrity either.

Bloomberg's out-of-state appeal is in FL (and CA), as Morbs said in code

Yeah, FL could be key. A lot of votes there. I also agree that it probably doesn't translate to the Midwest though.

people responded positively to what he did on 9/11.

as reported by a utterly credulous media - rudys 9/11 story was completely fabricated bullshit that the media swallowed whole.

because hey who doesnt luv a OMG STRONG LEADER !!!!!!

And if Bloomberg could help Obama land a Hagel endorsement, that would be huge (though also unlikely, I guess).

as reported by a utterly credulous media - rudys 9/11 story was completely fabricated bullshit that the media swallowed whole

What did they fabricate? They just showed the footage of his news conference.

He had a bit of understandable fame from that episode.

Turning firefighters' wives into widows?

o. nate, i think jhoshea is referring to pre-9/11 rudy, such as when he made the run for senate from which he ultimately withdrew. america at large had vaguely positive perceptions of him due to "cleaning up time square," making nyc "safe" again

as reported by a utterly credulous media - rudys 9/11 story was completely fabricated magnified bullshit that the media swallowed whole.

Obviously the media played a part in creating 'the legend of rudy' on 9/11. But initially dude did 'handle' things remarkably well in those first few days/speeches. Not in a 'getting things done' way, but purely in nailing the tone of a leader's communication.

"sending cops to sodomize black people with broom handles"

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guys i miss having mitt and rudy and huck to kick around, john mccain is the most boringest republican nominee ever

^^^just wait

o.nate im really wondering whether i should explain this simple ass shit to you or just tell you to fuck off

but youre not american are you? so yr ignorance is forgivable.

You seem intent on denying that there was anything genuine in the public response to the way Giuliani spoke and carried himself in the aftermath of the tragedy. I don't agree.

as reported by a utterly credulous media - rudys 9/11 story was completely fabricated bullshit that the media swallowed whole.

^^^^ding ding ding. Rudy should be in jail for his colossal fuck-up of 9/11 and willful endangerment of the population of NY.

Rudy made a few nice speeches for a week after Sept 11. The stuff "that people didn't know about" (besides the genius move of putting the emergency command post at the World Trade Center) was that most of NYC had soured on his petty, autocratic, vindictive style by Sept 10.

At least a politically ambiguous, whiny-voiced Jewish veep helped Gore win Florida.

ie "speaking and carrying himself" not as important as actually protecting the health of the people of NY, or letting the EPA do its job, or coordinating emergency services properly, or telling people the air actually wasn't safe to breathe or or or... seriously the list is endless. There's a reason the NY Firefighers Union was actually following him around on the campaign trail specifically to dispel the myth of how well he "handled" 9/11.

o. nate, rudy blew up 7wtc, do keep up

^^^^No one's disagreeing with this^^^^ xposts dammit

But there *was* something that people (people who were and probably still are ignorant of all of Rudy's evil deeds) picked up on in his communication in the week that followed 9/11.

I still can't believe gore picked lieberman.

Check this out. And that's from one of the most non-partisan/non-political magazines you'll ever see.

o.nate, you may well know this, but jhoshea is referring to the fact that, contrary to video appearances and talking head narratives, other than his (self-?)reassuring speechifying, and (dangerous? white house-directed?) quick comeback effort, rudy arguably had no idea what was going on on 9/11 (hampered by bad prior decisions), and ran from danger. not that one should necessarily blame him aside from his office.

jhoshea, you may well know this, but o.nate is not a furriner

But there *was* something that people (people who were and probably still are ignorant of all of Rudy's evil deeds) picked up on in his communication in the week that followed 9/

He carried himself as a leader more effectively than W.

It wasn't so much credulous media as media desperate for some kind of narrative to stick on the story and 'plucky mayor' worked even though that story's relationship with any kind of objective truth was tenuous at best.

i.e. projected "decisiveness."

The point I was trying to make is that I don't really think lumping Bloomberg and Giuliani together as examples of "media construction" is really particularly interesting or informative. One is clearly much more famous than the other and for quite different reasons.

oh good, we're back to how "leaders" "carry" themselves

OMG ALL U RETARDED FUCKING IDIOTS RUDAY GAVE A SPEECH OMG GREAT FU

THEY GUY IS 100000% FRAUD

HE ELEVATED HIS MOBBED UP DRIVER TO POLICE CHIEF THEN SPENT 9/11 REAPPROPRIATING HIM AS HIS DRIVER AGAIN WHILE DUDE SHOULD HAVE YOU KNOW BEEN DOING POLICE CHIEF STUFF

HE PUT THE FUCKING EMERGENCY COMMAND CENTER IN THE WORLD TRADE CENTER WHICH HAD ALREADY BEEN THE TARGET OF A TERRORIST ATTACK - ALL SO HE COULD WALK THERE FROM CITY HALL

HE BLOCKED THE PURCHASE OF NEW RADIO SYSTEMS THAT WOULDVE ALLOWED SUPERIOR COMMUNICATION ON 9/11 AND LIKELY SAVED THE LIVES OF HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE

HE WAS A FUCKING HORRIBLE FASCIST AS MAYOR OF NEW YORK CITY

WHAT DID THE PRESS SAY ABT HIM IN THE WAKE OF 9/11? OMG WAHT A GREAT SPEECHES I LUV YOOU GOOO GOO GAHHHHH

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The fact is--evil incompetent media or not--Rudy played his cards brilliantly, for a while at least.

Ambinder:

The First Read gang is all a-buzz at the Obama-Needs-A-Jew-On-The-Ticket-Angle, but I think the best way to look at an Obama-Bloomberg ticket is by noticing their complimentary traits. Obama isn't much of an administrator or a details guy by his own admission, while Bloomberg is so concerned about Your Health and Welfare that he studies intently the ins and outs of congestion pricing and trans-fats. He's a prime minister-type -- although he brings an outsider's sense of efficiency to the bureaucracy. Let Obama be the vision guy; Bloomberg could be the brass-tacts administrator.

http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/03/obama_bloomberg_is_extraordina.php

the media /= New Yorkers

First, the media's just pointing out obvious truths about Clinton. Now, they're fabricating Giuliani myths out of whole cloth!

My suggestion: don't be so selective about when you power up your phearsome media bullshit detectors

Let Obama be the vision guy; Bloomberg could be the brass-tacts administrator.

Obama is Bush to Bloomberg's Cheney? I never got the impression that Obama wasn't a "details guy," but I could be wrong.

btw, Bloomie is a paternalist extraoirdinaire, right down to guns, so I don't think he's gonna help too much with libertarians, and would do damage to Obama on that front. he's a bad pick.

hillary blew up 7wtc

if the media is so down on HRC why are they still treating this like the neck-and-neck contest it isn't?

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