― deej.. (deej..), Monday, 20 November 2006 18:49 (seventeen years ago) link
― anticon jemima (ooo), Monday, 20 November 2006 18:50 (seventeen years ago) link
― horseshoe (horseshoe), Monday, 20 November 2006 18:51 (seventeen years ago) link
The tape started when he started his attack, so we don't get to hear the heckler's attack, which could either mitigate or damn Richards. We don't know what was said, but if the heckler was being racist, there is a point to be made: less than 50 years ago, black people were being hunted down in the US because of racists and racism, and now this guy's being casually racist? Here, what if he calls you a nigger? Does that make you realise what's you're doing?
On my first watching of it, that's what I interpreted it as, at least, because that was all that really made sense. All the other alternatives do damn him as a racist, but doing that on an out-of-context 2 minute clip is a bit much.
― stet (stet), Monday, 20 November 2006 18:51 (seventeen years ago) link
― The Android Cat (Dan Perry), Monday, 20 November 2006 18:52 (seventeen years ago) link
― Bobby Ganush (Uri Frendimein), Monday, 20 November 2006 18:52 (seventeen years ago) link
O-T-M
― deej.. (deej..), Monday, 20 November 2006 18:52 (seventeen years ago) link
― Alex in Baltimore (Alex in Baltimore), Monday, 20 November 2006 18:53 (seventeen years ago) link
― stet (stet), Monday, 20 November 2006 18:54 (seventeen years ago) link
― The Android Cat (Dan Perry), Monday, 20 November 2006 18:55 (seventeen years ago) link
Dan, this is exactly my point. What he did was horrible, but people here seemed overly interested in now being able to call him a RACIST.
― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 20 November 2006 18:55 (seventeen years ago) link
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 20 November 2006 18:56 (seventeen years ago) link
― Allyzay Eisenschefter (allyzay), Monday, 20 November 2006 18:56 (seventeen years ago) link
― Tuomas (Tuomas), Monday, 20 November 2006 18:56 (seventeen years ago) link
― Noilly Prat (kenan), Monday, 20 November 2006 18:56 (seventeen years ago) link
― deej.. (deej..), Monday, 20 November 2006 18:57 (seventeen years ago) link
― stet (stet), Monday, 20 November 2006 18:57 (seventeen years ago) link
― elmo argonaut (allocryptic), Monday, 20 November 2006 18:58 (seventeen years ago) link
― horseshoe (horseshoe), Monday, 20 November 2006 18:58 (seventeen years ago) link
― scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 20 November 2006 18:58 (seventeen years ago) link
― cousin larry bundgee (bundgee), Monday, 20 November 2006 18:59 (seventeen years ago) link
― scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 20 November 2006 18:59 (seventeen years ago) link
really, guys. put down those fans! just a bit of lynching humor - let's all be cool.
― lauren (laurenp), Monday, 20 November 2006 18:59 (seventeen years ago) link
― horseshoe (horseshoe), Monday, 20 November 2006 18:59 (seventeen years ago) link
xpost stet, what exactly are you not getting about the fact that A) that's an inappropriate word B) the majority of us are much more bothered, and have explicitly said so, by the fact that he coupled this word with a straight up reference to lynching? What on earth could the hecklers be saying that you honestly believe this is something that could be "mitigated"?
― Allyzay Eisenschefter (allyzay), Monday, 20 November 2006 18:59 (seventeen years ago) link
― deej.. (deej..), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:00 (seventeen years ago) link
Too many xposts to count
― chap who would dare to welcome our new stingray masters (chap), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:00 (seventeen years ago) link
― Dr. Alicia D. Titsovich (sexyDancer), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:00 (seventeen years ago) link
― 2 american 4 u (blueski), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:01 (seventeen years ago) link
― Allyzay Eisenschefter (allyzay), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:02 (seventeen years ago) link
If you call someone a redneck, you're lumping him in with a steretype that is intented to hurt him. Not racist, but cultural. Half the people who call people the N-word in places like NY or LA are talking specifically about selfish, loud, angry, belligerent, macho assholes. From what little we see here, it sounds as if these hecklers have been acting like selfish, loud, angry, belligerent, macho assholes long enough to make him flip out.
― Bobby Ganush (Uri Frendimein), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:03 (seventeen years ago) link
I just think that immediate [behavior = identity] judgments are dangerous. In this particular case, there's a good chance that he probably is a racist, just like there was a good chance, upon the revelation of Mark Foley's improprieties, that he was gay. But the kneejerkism makes me uncomfortable.
This is no longer worth arguing, though.
― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:05 (seventeen years ago) link
numerous ilxers (some banned, some not banned) to thread...
but Richards IS way over that here, in the end
― 2 american 4 u (blueski), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:05 (seventeen years ago) link
xpost - Ally OTM again.
― Party Time Country Female (pullapartgirl), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:05 (seventeen years ago) link
― Bobby Ganush (Uri Frendimein), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:06 (seventeen years ago) link
― anticon jemima (ooo), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:06 (seventeen years ago) link
don't you think this is more a case of belief than behavior, though?
― horseshoe (horseshoe), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:07 (seventeen years ago) link
― anticon jemima (ooo), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:07 (seventeen years ago) link
what sort of heckling would justify telling someone that fifty years ago, he would have been lynched for his commentDid he say that, or did he say that fifty years ago, he would have been getting lynched? It's not that he's saying "you'd have got lynched for saying that, back when we whites ruled the world".
― stet (stet), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:07 (seventeen years ago) link
― scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:08 (seventeen years ago) link
oh noes what if he uses 'i had to say it so many times because it was improv and i had several minutes left!' as an excuse!
― 2 american 4 u (blueski), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:08 (seventeen years ago) link
for fuck's sake, people.
― elmo argonaut (allocryptic), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:08 (seventeen years ago) link
"OK guys, I want a suggestion for a racial epiphet you hear everyday..."
― dommy p is alright WHICH IS A LOT MORE THAN I CAN SAY ABOUT A LOT OF PEOPLE (Dom, Monday, 20 November 2006 19:08 (seventeen years ago) link
― parsley, sage francis, rosemary, and thyme (dubplatestyle), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:09 (seventeen years ago) link
-- Dr. Alicia D. Titsovich (evi...), November 20th, 2006 1:00 PM. (sexyDancer) (later) (link)
He's only got 32 degrees, but close enough.
http://img164.imageshack.us/img164/1815/marsellos1zt1.jpg
― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:09 (seventeen years ago) link
― jhoshea megafauna (scoopsnoodle), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:09 (seventeen years ago) link
!!!
there is nothing equivalent to threatening lynching because there was no time in American history where black Americans were in a position to make a regular practice of lynching white Americans. are you fucking kidding me?
― horseshoe (horseshoe), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:09 (seventeen years ago) link
― Bobby Ganush (Uri Frendimein), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:09 (seventeen years ago) link