FAP Hackney? 10th, 11th or 12th June?

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Please, let's NOT wait till nearer the time this time? Because that's how my time gets eaten up with other obligations! OK, fair enough, it was usually Joe making those other obligations without telling me, but advance warning is better in these things.

― Possibly Kate Again (kate), Friday, 11 June 2004 13:27 (twenty-one years ago)

sorry i'm not going to make it - however, if you get up early and fancy making a journey across london, i would still be happy for you to stalk me.

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Friday, 11 June 2004 13:28 (twenty-one years ago)

Well then start a thread about it kate, but i am sure it will be lost this early. Don't worry i'll remind you!

― Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Friday, 11 June 2004 13:30 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm not coming either, but I will be shopping at Broadway Market in the morning if you get bored of stalking Dave.

― Mikey G (Mikey G), Friday, 11 June 2004 13:35 (twenty-one years ago)

You should start the thread, Pink! It's your FAP, and besides, I've started, like, three threads today! The key to it not disappearing, I think, is having Stevem put it on the ILX calendar.

― Possibly Kate Again (kate), Friday, 11 June 2004 13:36 (twenty-one years ago)

Now I'm confused. Coming where? We're not about the stalking, we're all about the SHOPPING.

― Possibly Kate Again (kate), Friday, 11 June 2004 13:36 (twenty-one years ago)

No it's not my fap, I just want y'all to come punting in cambridge!

― Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Friday, 11 June 2004 13:43 (twenty-one years ago)

You don't come to Hackney to shop. It simply isn't tolerated.

― Mikey G (Mikey G), Friday, 11 June 2004 13:46 (twenty-one years ago)

We shall be iconclasts, then. Or possibly chased out of town by irate locals.

― cis (cis), Friday, 11 June 2004 13:51 (twenty-one years ago)

No, we will just be hit about the head and shoulders by locals in the Primark for scoring the good bargains first!

― Possibly Kate Again (kate), Friday, 11 June 2004 13:51 (twenty-one years ago)

I also wonder if I should buy a laundry basket. I'm under the bizarre delusion that a laundry basket might help save my marriage.

― Possibly Kate Again (kate), Friday, 11 June 2004 13:52 (twenty-one years ago)

Indeed!

― Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Friday, 11 June 2004 13:56 (twenty-one years ago)

Good choice. When my girlfriend annoys me, that's where I put her.

― Mikey G (Mikey G), Friday, 11 June 2004 14:08 (twenty-one years ago)

Can we wait until Monday to set a date for the Cambridge FAP (this MUST involve punting)?

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Friday, 11 June 2004 14:10 (twenty-one years ago)

i think we should put the date in our diaries, start a thread, and stick to the date. if all else fails, we can have a small trip to cambridge. otherwise, we can maybe have a decent sized-fap. weekends do tend to get booked up ages in advance, if we book it now then people can plan ahead...

kate, what's with the laundry basket?

― colette (a2lette), Friday, 11 June 2004 14:10 (twenty-one years ago)

Also, towards the end of July, the evil spectre of TRIG BROTHER will be rearing its ugly runious head. Best to keep that in mind...

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Friday, 11 June 2004 14:12 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't use a laundry basket. I floorganise clothes like my mum taught me. Dirty stuff on the floor in a pile, clean just out of the washing machine clothes in the closet, and stuff you've worn once but could probably get away with wearing again draped over the back of random chairs.

Several times Joe has got on my case about cleaning up the bedroom, and I've explained to him about floorganising. It was one of the things he brought up in our huge blowout fight. You know, it's not *that* big a deal. I prefer to floorganise, but if it takes getting a laundry basket like him to save our marriage, I'd do it.

(Though I suspect that the laundry basket is just one more symptom, I don't know, he just wants *everything* I do to be the way he says, so I get passive aggressive about little things I can control, like what I do with my laundry.)

― Possibly Kate Again (kate), Friday, 11 June 2004 14:18 (twenty-one years ago)

kate, you need the laundry rug:

http://www.firebox.com/index.html?dir=firebox&action=product&pid=665&PHPSESSID=e0843fbed5616e5fca3f08e25338bd82

― colette (a2lette), Friday, 11 June 2004 14:23 (twenty-one years ago)

No, no, he doesn't care if they're washed, it's not a hassle doing it. I just like them on the floor and he likes them in a basket; a rug would not be a solution.

(One of the solutions would be HIM GETTING HIS CLOTHES OUT OF THE WASHING MACHINE WHEN THEY'RE DONE, INSTEAD OF LETTING THEM SIT THERE FOR DAYS, SO I CAN ALSO USE THE WASHING MACHINE but that is a particular pet peeve of mine.)

― Possibly Kate Again (kate), Friday, 11 June 2004 14:28 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm in a pissy mood now, so I think I'm going to try to walk back to Hackney. Wow, it looks like a long way, how long before I give up and take the bus. Cis, Colette, message me when you're on your way. Anyone else who wants to be stalked, email me your mobile number and we will make arrangements. I'm not unpopular, I'm just exclusive. Hah.

― Possibly Kate Again (kate), Friday, 11 June 2004 15:25 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm going with some friends to the LIFT fireworks extravaganza in Victoria Park on Saturday evening. More info: www.liftfest.org and look for lift 2004, groupe f. The plan is to be in The Crown from 7pm ish and then move into Vic Park for a picnic and then fireworks.

― Daniel (dancity), Friday, 11 June 2004 22:48 (twenty-one years ago)

Hmmm. I'm not sure we're still going to be out drinking that late. We have however just finished with Primark (ohmigod, spent too much money but too cute clothes) and are now heading down to Broadway Market if anyone would like to join us in the Pub!

― Possibly Kate Again (kate), Saturday, 12 June 2004 12:10 (twenty-one years ago)

Heh heh. Spent most of the afternoon sitting in the sun/cloud/sun/cloud/no, so again, discussing whether or not the various cute boys that passed by highlighted their hair or if it was natural. It's nice to know I still have a libido.

Then I walked to Hackney Marsh. What a strange, beautiful, godforsaken sort of place. It was totally deserted. I can't remember the last time I saw a space that large so empty of people in London. And the River Lea on one side the Lee River Naviation on the other. Lee and Lea in perfect harmoneeeeee. Hackney looks like it was once very beautiful. Especially Sutton House and Sutton Place.

― Possibly Kate Again (kate), Saturday, 12 June 2004 18:07 (twenty-one years ago)

Oooh! I'm in Sutton Place right now. What a small world

― James Mitchell (James Mitchell), Sunday, 13 June 2004 16:36 (twenty-one years ago)

Do you live in Sutton Place? You lucky dog! (unless you have some kind of mobile connection.) It's really lovely! The spooky churchyard with no church left seemed to be like a corridor through another time. The sort of place where you're not sure if you're going to encounter a modern crack dealer or an 18th Century grave robber.

― Apostrophe Catastrophe (kate), Monday, 14 June 2004 07:46 (twenty-one years ago)

So what did you buy K?

― Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Monday, 14 June 2004 08:12 (twenty-one years ago)

and now matt dc should be prepared to set a date for the cambridge FAP...

― colette (a2lette), Monday, 14 June 2004 08:13 (twenty-one years ago)

I knew you were going to ask that, Pink! I was about to write you an email about it. I bought two pairs of very plain work trousers, one in blue, one in black. A couple of flirty, stripey, button-down summer shirts, and, on Colette's provocation a rather tight and possibly sexy pale blue tank-top/vest/wifebeater thing which I was VERY uncertain of due to Fear Of Log-Arm but which actually made Joe run up and start humping my leg like a dog when I came home wearing it. So there you go.

x-post, Colette, are you going to share your Primark purchases with the class? ;-)

― Apostrophe Catastrophe (kate), Monday, 14 June 2004 08:16 (twenty-one years ago)

sure, but they weren't very interesting. about 6 or 7 tshirts (i'm wearing the only crew-neck one today, in a bright pale teal, if that makes any sense), 6 pairs of socks, 2 vests, a 3-pack of pants and 2 bra/pant sets.

i really love that store.

kate's stripey shirts are cool, and she bought clothes in color! wow!

― colette (a2lette), Monday, 14 June 2004 08:22 (twenty-one years ago)

I am actually wearing an all Primark outfit right now! (Blue work trousers and a mock Fred Perry style shirt) Oh, I forgot I bought blue pants as well. Everything I bought was blue, except one of the stripey shirts was pale purple and blue stripes. I'm trying to get into this "wearing colours" thing again, since all my fat clothes are black.

― Apostrophe Catastrophe (kate), Monday, 14 June 2004 08:24 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh, and Colette you forgot to tell about the spotted pointilist shirt! I liked that one a lot!

― Apostrophe Catastrophe (kate), Monday, 14 June 2004 08:25 (twenty-one years ago)

Woo for colour! (sorry to be so predictable K! ;-) It's just that I am so broke that I have to live my retail addiction through others!) They all sound like lubberly purchases.
K-write me an email about your w/e & what happened with J's return to the flat, if you know what I mean.

― Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Monday, 14 June 2004 08:26 (twenty-one years ago)

I will write you a full explanation when I've finished running my reports! (Which means I should stop mucking about on ILX, seriously.)

― Apostrophe Catastrophe (kate), Monday, 14 June 2004 08:29 (twenty-one years ago)

Sutton House incorrectly promotes itself as the oldest house in the east end. The Ancient House in Walthamstow is far older.

I was over Hackney Marshes yesterday. There were turtles on the non-navigable arm of the river. And dragonflies bombarding the water.

― Mikey G (Mikey G), Monday, 14 June 2004 08:44 (twenty-one years ago)

Turtles! I saw only a dog! I wish I'd seen the turtles. The non-navigable River Lee or Lea is possibly one of the most beautiful spots in London.

Is Walthamstowe actually East End, though? Isn't Walthamstowe near Waltham Cross and actually recently swallowed Essex? I should look it up in the A to Z to correct my geography.

― Apostrophe Catastrophe (kate), Monday, 14 June 2004 08:48 (twenty-one years ago)

Walthamstow is about 7 miles from Waltham cross, is inside the 406 and has an E postcode. It's North east London really though.

― chris (chris), Monday, 14 June 2004 08:50 (twenty-one years ago)

Thanks, Chris. So the answer is, yessssss technically, but not really.

― Apostrophe Catastrophe (kate), Monday, 14 June 2004 08:51 (twenty-one years ago)

Yes it is technically East London. Used to be part of Essex before the shake up last century.

The division between London and Essex was originally the Lea.

― Mikey G (Mikey G), Monday, 14 June 2004 08:53 (twenty-one years ago)

So, is Walthamstowe on the other side of the River Lee or Lea, then? In that case, even if it's technically East London, it's still Essex and doesn't count. And how Ancient is this Ancient House, anyway? Is it justifiably Ancient? More ancient than Henry VIII?

― Apostrophe Catastrophe (kate), Monday, 14 June 2004 08:56 (twenty-one years ago)

Cambridge - Fancy A Punt?

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Monday, 14 June 2004 08:56 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.lbwf.gov.uk/environment/design_awards/design_awards_ancient_hse.stm

It says 15th century in this link, but I think it is actually early sixteenth. Walthamstow is now firmly East London and Sutton House should quietly drop their claim.

Back in even older days, the Lea / Lee was the division between the Saxons and Danelaw.

― Mikey G (Mikey G), Monday, 14 June 2004 09:03 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm trying to remember which river was the division between the Saxons and the Romano-Celts, but I think it was one of the burried ones.

― Apostrophe Catastrophe (kate), Monday, 14 June 2004 09:05 (twenty-one years ago)

Does East End = East London? I always thought it meant the chunk nearest the city. You wouldn't talk about Ladbroke Grove or Shepheds Bush being West End would you?

I'm not sure how this works exactly.

― Tim (Tim), Monday, 14 June 2004 09:07 (twenty-one years ago)

I always thought East End meant pretty much anywhere in East London, but West End is a very specific bit of Central London between, arbitrarily speaking, Aldwych and Marble Arch.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Monday, 14 June 2004 09:10 (twenty-one years ago)

I think that Tim's right. I generally think of the East End as being the strip between Tower and the course of the old wall on the west and the river Lee or Lea on the East.

But I can't remember if Sutton House advertises itself as "the oldest house in the East End" (which it might well be) or "the oldest house in East London" (which would be this justified and ancient house of Walthamstowe.)

― Apostrophe Catastrophe (kate), Monday, 14 June 2004 09:12 (twenty-one years ago)

There are various definitions, but as a general rule, the E postcode prefix is the best guide. The notion of what constitutes the east end has changed over the years as local government was reorganised and with the post war housing boom. Traditionally it meant to the east of the City (i.e Whitechappell, Shoreditch etc), but only because beyond these places were fields.

Most of what is now the east end was Essex. East Ham, West Ham, Canning Town, Walthamstow, Leyton, Leytonstone etc etc were all hamlets which were built up after the docks were built.

There was some discussion about this in the papers when Eastenders started. Walford being pretty much a post-war district that would have been east of the Lea.

― Mikey G (Mikey G), Monday, 14 June 2004 09:17 (twenty-one years ago)

nineteen years pass...

Off to see the Notwist at Earth on Sunday (Hackney) and staying in a Premier Inn in Shoreditch.

Any food recommendations near-ish (more "not a faff" than necessarily close) for an evening meal and then breakfast the next day?

Bit broad but any recommendations for London things at the moment?

― djh, Sunday, 12 May 2024 16:30 (two years ago)

Mangal 2 is pretty much opposite your venue, very good turkish place (went from hearty trad food to bourgie small plates but still great eating). Brunswick East does good breakfast.

― Daniel_Rf, Monday, 13 May 2024 12:40 (two years ago)

xp The obvious thing to eat near Earth would be Turkish - lots of good Turkish round there. Can't go wrong with Mangal 1 (quite trad ocakbasi) or Mangal 2 (more hipstery and unusual / cheffy) - the latter less likely to make you so full you want to go to sleep during the show. If you'd rather eat closer to your hotel there are a bunch of good Vietnamese places just round the corner at the bottom of Kingsland Road, which leaves you with a pretty quick and simple bus ride to get to Dalston (the 149 amongst others). But there is a massive amount of choice which qualifies as "nota faff" - if you have anything you would particularly like feel free to narrow it down.

― Tim, Monday, 13 May 2024 15:30 (two years ago)

Thanks both.

― djh, Monday, 13 May 2024 19:59 (two years ago)

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