Israel to World: "Suck It."

Then where is the historical line? Post-48 is no longer "indigenous"?

― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Monday, May 17, 2021 1:59 PM (three minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

No idea and it is a good question, but to me a big part of human rights is that people should be free of the burdens of the past, and I'd include post-Hypercacher siege french jews moving to Israel and that 1870 Bosnian muslim family alike.

I think we'll need some calipers if we really want to solve this

otm

I don't really think AIPAC fundraisers are leaning in close to evangelical bigwigs and whispering "I'm white btw." Also a lot of the evangelical church isn't white. But that's getting a bit afield.

one's indigeneity to Palestine or Israel has no connection to whether one is the perpetrator or victim of human rights abuses, which seems like the bigger issue atm.

https://decolonizepalestine.com/myth/my-people-were-here-before-your-people/

Israel PM twitter account is utterly deranged.

The weak crumble, are slaughtered and are erased from history while the strong, for good or for ill, survive. The strong are respected, and alliances are made with the strong, and in the end peace is made with the strong.

— PM of Israel (@IsraeliPM) August 29, 2018

Wonder what Hamas were doing in there

🔴 Update: Israel has destroyed Gaza's only laboratory testing for the coronavirus, a senior health official said https://t.co/p40AxaDb2D

— Middle East Eye (@MiddleEastEye) May 17, 2021

with something like 40 000 + displaced people it won't only be bombs that is killing Palestinian civilians

xxxxxp Okay yeah points noted.

https://decolonizepalestine.com/myth/my-people-were-here-before-your-people/

― Left, Monday, May 17, 2021 6:28 PM (three hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

Thank you for this!

Yeah that was really good and definitely hits on some of the points I was trying to make. If anything I think it could go even further in recognizing what a significant part of the Palestinian population likely does *not* trace its roots back 1300 years (e.g. immigrants from Egypt, Syria, Bosnia etc), but the overall point is right.

The "101" section of that website is one of the better and more fair-minded pro-Palestinian primers I've read, free of a lot of the hyperbole and myth you find on a lot of sites.

🔥 #PalestineOnStrike 🔥

Hearing that nearly all Palestinians are on strike.

So in awe of my ppl, my friends who've been doing the most.

UK: join one of these in solidarity, or do your own small thing ✊🏽#PalestineOnStrikeUK #SaveSheikhJarrah #فلسطين_تقاوم #GazaUnderAttack pic.twitter.com/nFVAhG3bM0

— ga-zell (@liddawiyeh) May 18, 2021

https://www.theguardian.com/news/2021/may/18/a-jewish-case-for-palestinian-refugee-return

What a text

Saw a clip of Ghassan Kanafani going around and couldn’t help but think of how he closes his truly staggering 1956 short story, “Letter From Gaza” pic.twitter.com/U65e7rBsBY

— noah kulwin (@nkulw) May 11, 2021

gross

AIPAC now running ads with @IlhanMN's face next to Hamas rockets.

If this isn't blatant Islamophobia, I don't know what is. pic.twitter.com/XSvCbpKsjJ

— Jeremy Slevin (@jeremyslevin) May 18, 2021

I really hope Omar has even semi decent security

Mob Violence Against Palestinians in Israel Is Fueled by Groups on WhatsApp

Social media is a plague.

pic.twitter.com/ZS6WdQd1LE

— Gabriella Paiella (@GMPaiella) May 18, 2021

Ilhan Omar: 'At least 10 Israelis , including 2 children, have also been killed by indiscriminate Hamas rocket attacks. To be clear, this is also a war crime.'

also Ilhan Omar: 'We should be affirming the right of all people, regardless of their faith, to have self-determination and equal rights. That includes both Israelis and Palestinians because, yes, Palestinian lives matter.'

APAIC part of the plague.

The latest episode of World To Win is really good:

https://tribunemag.co.uk/2021/05/37-free-palestine-an-interview-with-akram-salhab

Yes it's a podcast, yes it's good. SORRY.

Disappointed in u

Rachel Kushner - https://nplusonemag.com/online-only/online-only/why-did-you-throw-stones/

that is really good, thanks

LISTEN UP

Democratic presidential administrations do seem to inspire Hamas to attack Israel. Wonder why that is. The last major wave of terrorism from Hamas came in the Obama years.

— Erick Erickson (@EWErickson) May 20, 2021

right wing psycho has dumb opinion, news at 11

Send Erick Erickson to live permanently in Gaza and he'd change his tune.

not sure he would, tbh

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/19/world/middleeast/israel-palestinians-anti-semitism-europe.html"> https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/19/world/middleeast/israel-palestinians-anti-semitism-europe.html

not good

all worth it to preserve the netanyahu regime:

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/unnamed-likud-officials-netanyahu-drawing-out-gaza-conflict-to-stop-lapid-forming-govt/

Seems like a ceasefire has been agreed upon, thank god for all the citizens.

If this means you can stop relentlessly both-sidesing this situation VHS that’s just another little thing to be thankful for

Yeah sorry no, saying Hamas is comitting war crimes is a seperate issue than the right of return for all palestinians (which I support).

In past 11 days of devastating Israeli offensive on Gaza Strip:

232 people were killed, including 65 children

1,900 wounded

90,000 people displaced acc to UN

1800 housing units destroyed

74 govt facilities bombed

33 media centres destroyed

6 high rise buildings leveled

— لينة (@LinahAlsaafin) May 20, 2021

Israel’s worst nightmare — turning the entirety of Palestine into multiple points of friction defined by a multiplicity of resistance tactics — has already happened. This must continue. We rest to mobilise not to go back.

— Rana (@RanaGaza) May 20, 2021

Just because there’s a ceasefire, doesn’t mean the death & destruction has ended, doesn’t mean the blockade is lifted, doesn’t mean those who lost their entires families will be rectified. We must continue to our campaign to end the brutal siege and colonialism. #FreePalestine.

— mohammed el-kurd (@m7mdkurd) May 20, 2021

Just because there’s a ceasefire, doesn’t mean the death & destruction has ended, doesn’t mean the blockade is lifted, doesn’t mean those who lost their entires families will be rectified. We must continue to our campaign to end the brutal siege and colonialism. #FreePalestine.

— mohammed el-kurd (@m7mdkurd) May 20, 2021

sorry double post

Just because there’s a ceasefire, doesn’t mean the death & destruction has ended, doesn’t mean the blockade is lifted, doesn’t mean those who lost their entires families will be rectified. We must continue to our campaign to end the brutal siege and colonialism. #FreePalestine.

— mohammed el-kurd (@m7mdkurd) May 20, 2021

well it's worth saying thrice

Protestors shut down the Israeli arms company Elbit Systems factory in Leicester (key site of drone production in the UK). They plan to stay on the roof indefinitely. Firefighters refused to help the police remove the protestors. https://t.co/Lcaz5tQbjE

— Priya Satia (@PriyaSatia) May 20, 2021

reminder

The colonial monopoly on violence is backed by the liberal demand for nonviolent resistance.

— MTP (@tsengputterman) May 12, 2021

you can stop relentlessly both-sidesing this situation VHS

Usually both-sidesing is used to denote an exercise in false equivalence, but in my reading of VHS's posts they seem more in the spirit of a jury member in a civil trial, where the jury is instructed to apportion the percentage of responsibility each party must bear, and VHS clearly states that the Israeli government bears the preponderance of responsibility, but not the totality of it. iow, maybe 80% or 90%, but not 100%.

the human propensity for the reduction of complexity to simple binaries is especially strong when applying moral standards. we love to designate a bad guy, which in turn identifies the good guy. VHS pointed out he rejects this analysis, but he's been equally clear in condemning Israeli actions and intransigence, too.

or maybe you don't agree with that reading

Only cunts give a fuck about Hamas right now.

As has been pointed out elsewhere, the 'liberal demand for nonviolent resistance' has, in this particular case, been accompanied by a virulent liberal condemnation of nonviolent resistance.

that's true

Aimless, I couldn't care less about anyone's apportioning of blame. The issue before us is Israel's daily oppression of Palestinians and their attempts to make them strangers in their own lands. That is 100% Israel's responsibility. And the responsibility of all those countries who apologise for them and explain away their actions. You think when a gang of bullies goes to beat some poor schmuck into the sidewalk outside a nightclub and he manages to land a couple of punches before the ambulance comes VHS is standing there going "Hmm.. yes... the preponderance of guilt lies with the bullies but the videotape clearly shows a punch or two landing from the other direction. Officers, this man is responsible for I'd estimate 7-12% of the violence here". State of this shit.

Last 4 posts OTM.

hamas clearly bears a lot of responsibility for the escalation of violence, but it doesn’t matter, cause if it wasn’t hamas, it would be something else that “forced israel's hand”

this article was otm: https://peterbeinart.substack.com/p/if-israel-eliminated-hamas-nothing

A pizzeria in north Leeds are selling a pizza shaped line the Palestinian flag with proceeds going to a charity for traumatised children and people are accusing them of funnelling money to Hamas. Good and normal

— 🤠 (@wank_666) May 21, 2021