Israel to World: "Suck It."

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yeah, danger of dashing off political posts in between work stuff I guesss

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Monday, 17 May 2021 17:47 (five years ago)

People from all over the region and the world have been settling there throughout that time

My understanding is that those peoples are the ones that can be called indigenous Palestinians.

Van Horn Street, Monday, 17 May 2021 17:49 (five years ago)

Why should a Bosnian Muslim family that settled in Palestine in the 1870s be considered "Palestinian" and "indigenous" if a Jewish family that came 50 years later is not?

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Monday, 17 May 2021 17:53 (five years ago)

seems like there’s a mutability to the concept of “whiteness”, depending on the mileage zionists can wring out of it on any given day

Washington Generals D-League affiliate (will), Monday, 17 May 2021 17:54 (five years ago)

Hmm maybe it actually has something to do with the fact that Europe never actually accepted Jews as European?

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Monday, 17 May 2021 17:56 (five years ago)

whiteness had a "mutability" for Nazis too

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Monday, 17 May 2021 17:57 (five years ago)

Why should a Bosnian Muslim family that settled in Palestine in the 1870s be considered "Palestinian" and "indigenous" if a Jewish family that came 50 years later is not?

― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Monday, May 17, 2021 1:53 PM (twelve seconds ago) bookmarkflaglink

I have no problem considering them both indigenous.

Van Horn Street, Monday, 17 May 2021 17:58 (five years ago)

Then where is the historical line? Post-48 is no longer "indigenous"?

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Monday, 17 May 2021 17:59 (five years ago)

ie when cozying up to anti-Semitic but ‘pro-Israel’ evangelicals w deep pockets, Very White. when trying to score points in liberal institutions like the op ed pages of the NYT or WaPo, maybe not quite as white.

Washington Generals D-League affiliate (will), Monday, 17 May 2021 18:00 (five years ago)

how sinister

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Monday, 17 May 2021 18:01 (five years ago)

yeah fucking around with ppl like John Hagee is pretty sinister

Washington Generals D-League affiliate (will), Monday, 17 May 2021 18:05 (five years ago)

Then where is the historical line? Post-48 is no longer "indigenous"?

― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Monday, May 17, 2021 1:59 PM (three minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

No idea and it is a good question, but to me a big part of human rights is that people should be free of the burdens of the past, and I'd include post-Hypercacher siege french jews moving to Israel and that 1870 Bosnian muslim family alike.

Van Horn Street, Monday, 17 May 2021 18:06 (five years ago)

I think we'll need some calipers if we really want to solve this

plax (ico), Monday, 17 May 2021 18:09 (five years ago)

otm

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Monday, 17 May 2021 18:10 (five years ago)

I don't really think AIPAC fundraisers are leaning in close to evangelical bigwigs and whispering "I'm white btw." Also a lot of the evangelical church isn't white. But that's getting a bit afield.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Monday, 17 May 2021 18:12 (five years ago)

one's indigeneity to Palestine or Israel has no connection to whether one is the perpetrator or victim of human rights abuses, which seems like the bigger issue atm.

sharpening the contraindications (Aimless), Monday, 17 May 2021 18:16 (five years ago)

https://decolonizepalestine.com/myth/my-people-were-here-before-your-people/

Left, Monday, 17 May 2021 18:28 (five years ago)

Israel PM twitter account is utterly deranged.

The weak crumble, are slaughtered and are erased from history while the strong, for good or for ill, survive. The strong are respected, and alliances are made with the strong, and in the end peace is made with the strong.

— PM of Israel (@IsraeliPM) August 29, 2018

xyzzzz__, Monday, 17 May 2021 20:21 (five years ago)

Wonder what Hamas were doing in there

🔴 Update: Israel has destroyed Gaza's only laboratory testing for the coronavirus, a senior health official said https://t.co/p40AxaDb2D

— Middle East Eye (@MiddleEastEye) May 17, 2021

xyzzzz__, Monday, 17 May 2021 21:00 (five years ago)

with something like 40 000 + displaced people it won't only be bombs that is killing Palestinian civilians

calzino, Monday, 17 May 2021 21:06 (five years ago)

xxxxxp Okay yeah points noted.

https://decolonizepalestine.com/myth/my-people-were-here-before-your-people/

― Left, Monday, May 17, 2021 6:28 PM (three hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

Thank you for this!

Ima Gardener (in orbit), Monday, 17 May 2021 22:32 (five years ago)

Yeah that was really good and definitely hits on some of the points I was trying to make. If anything I think it could go even further in recognizing what a significant part of the Palestinian population likely does *not* trace its roots back 1300 years (e.g. immigrants from Egypt, Syria, Bosnia etc), but the overall point is right.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Tuesday, 18 May 2021 01:40 (five years ago)

The "101" section of that website is one of the better and more fair-minded pro-Palestinian primers I've read, free of a lot of the hyperbole and myth you find on a lot of sites.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Tuesday, 18 May 2021 01:53 (five years ago)

🔥 #PalestineOnStrike 🔥

Hearing that nearly all Palestinians are on strike.

So in awe of my ppl, my friends who've been doing the most.

UK: join one of these in solidarity, or do your own small thing ✊🏽#PalestineOnStrikeUK #SaveSheikhJarrah #فلسطين_تقاوم #GazaUnderAttack pic.twitter.com/nFVAhG3bM0

— ga-zell (@liddawiyeh) May 18, 2021

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 18 May 2021 09:18 (five years ago)

What a text

Saw a clip of Ghassan Kanafani going around and couldn’t help but think of how he closes his truly staggering 1956 short story, “Letter From Gaza” pic.twitter.com/U65e7rBsBY

— noah kulwin (@nkulw) May 11, 2021

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 19 May 2021 12:10 (five years ago)

gross

AIPAC now running ads with @IlhanMN's face next to Hamas rockets.

If this isn't blatant Islamophobia, I don't know what is. pic.twitter.com/XSvCbpKsjJ

— Jeremy Slevin (@jeremyslevin) May 18, 2021

Washington Generals D-League affiliate (will), Wednesday, 19 May 2021 14:10 (five years ago)

I really hope Omar has even semi decent security

intern at pelican brief consulting (Simon H.), Wednesday, 19 May 2021 14:28 (five years ago)

Mob Violence Against Palestinians in Israel Is Fueled by Groups on WhatsApp

Social media is a plague.

Van Horn Street, Wednesday, 19 May 2021 15:58 (five years ago)

pic.twitter.com/ZS6WdQd1LE

— Gabriella Paiella (@GMPaiella) May 18, 2021

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 19 May 2021 16:08 (five years ago)

Ilhan Omar: 'At least 10 Israelis , including 2 children, have also been killed by indiscriminate Hamas rocket attacks. To be clear, this is also a war crime.'

also Ilhan Omar: 'We should be affirming the right of all people, regardless of their faith, to have self-determination and equal rights. That includes both Israelis and Palestinians because, yes, Palestinian lives matter.'

APAIC part of the plague.

Van Horn Street, Wednesday, 19 May 2021 16:13 (five years ago)

The latest episode of World To Win is really good:

https://tribunemag.co.uk/2021/05/37-free-palestine-an-interview-with-akram-salhab

Yes it's a podcast, yes it's good. SORRY.

Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 19 May 2021 16:40 (five years ago)

Disappointed in u

plax (ico), Wednesday, 19 May 2021 18:10 (five years ago)

Rachel Kushner - https://nplusonemag.com/online-only/online-only/why-did-you-throw-stones/

Joe Bombin (milo z), Thursday, 20 May 2021 15:55 (five years ago)

that is really good, thanks

Karl Malone, Thursday, 20 May 2021 16:29 (five years ago)

LISTEN UP

Democratic presidential administrations do seem to inspire Hamas to attack Israel. Wonder why that is. The last major wave of terrorism from Hamas came in the Obama years.

— Erick Erickson (@EWErickson) May 20, 2021

So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 20 May 2021 18:34 (five years ago)

right wing psycho has dumb opinion, news at 11

the mai tai quinn (voodoo chili), Thursday, 20 May 2021 18:36 (five years ago)

Send Erick Erickson to live permanently in Gaza and he'd change his tune.

What's It All About, Althea? (Aimless), Thursday, 20 May 2021 18:38 (five years ago)

not sure he would, tbh

the mai tai quinn (voodoo chili), Thursday, 20 May 2021 18:40 (five years ago)

not good

Wayne Grotski (symsymsym), Thursday, 20 May 2021 19:28 (five years ago)

all worth it to preserve the netanyahu regime:

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/unnamed-likud-officials-netanyahu-drawing-out-gaza-conflict-to-stop-lapid-forming-govt/

Wayne Grotski (symsymsym), Thursday, 20 May 2021 19:34 (five years ago)

Seems like a ceasefire has been agreed upon, thank god for all the citizens.

Van Horn Street, Thursday, 20 May 2021 20:21 (five years ago)

If this means you can stop relentlessly both-sidesing this situation VHS that’s just another little thing to be thankful for

Tracer Hand, Thursday, 20 May 2021 20:24 (five years ago)

Yeah sorry no, saying Hamas is comitting war crimes is a seperate issue than the right of return for all palestinians (which I support).

Van Horn Street, Thursday, 20 May 2021 20:49 (five years ago)

In past 11 days of devastating Israeli offensive on Gaza Strip:

232 people were killed, including 65 children

1,900 wounded

90,000 people displaced acc to UN

1800 housing units destroyed

74 govt facilities bombed

33 media centres destroyed

6 high rise buildings leveled

— لينة (@LinahAlsaafin) May 20, 2021

Left, Thursday, 20 May 2021 21:12 (five years ago)

Israel’s worst nightmare — turning the entirety of Palestine into multiple points of friction defined by a multiplicity of resistance tactics — has already happened. This must continue. We rest to mobilise not to go back.

— Rana (@RanaGaza) May 20, 2021

Left, Thursday, 20 May 2021 21:12 (five years ago)

Just because there’s a ceasefire, doesn’t mean the death & destruction has ended, doesn’t mean the blockade is lifted, doesn’t mean those who lost their entires families will be rectified. We must continue to our campaign to end the brutal siege and colonialism. #FreePalestine.

— mohammed el-kurd (@m7mdkurd) May 20, 2021

Left, Thursday, 20 May 2021 21:12 (five years ago)

Just because there’s a ceasefire, doesn’t mean the death & destruction has ended, doesn’t mean the blockade is lifted, doesn’t mean those who lost their entires families will be rectified. We must continue to our campaign to end the brutal siege and colonialism. #FreePalestine.

— mohammed el-kurd (@m7mdkurd) May 20, 2021

Left, Thursday, 20 May 2021 21:13 (five years ago)

sorry double post

Just because there’s a ceasefire, doesn’t mean the death & destruction has ended, doesn’t mean the blockade is lifted, doesn’t mean those who lost their entires families will be rectified. We must continue to our campaign to end the brutal siege and colonialism. #FreePalestine.

— mohammed el-kurd (@m7mdkurd) May 20, 2021

Left, Thursday, 20 May 2021 21:13 (five years ago)


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