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oh, idk what card that is, just thinking about how a pushed version of this mechanic might make control decks really obnoxious

frogbs, Thursday, 25 March 2021 21:24 (five years ago)

i would rather a wish mechanic be good than the 'ramp into 7 mana win the game' that control decks are doing currently

ciderpress, Thursday, 25 March 2021 21:43 (five years ago)

three weeks pass...

only played a few matches of Sealed with this new set but it's pretty fun! lots of dynamic cards, nothing (thus far) seems overly broken, and the Learn/Lesson mechanic gives the deck a bit of reach. also someone just cast a Swords to Plowshares on me???

frogbs, Monday, 19 April 2021 15:03 (five years ago)

very cute and charming flavor too, the school thing

davey, Monday, 19 April 2021 15:15 (five years ago)

yeah one of my cards was like "Professor Bear" or something, incredibly cute

frogbs, Monday, 19 April 2021 16:16 (five years ago)

also dig Tome Shredder, literally "dog ate my homework"

frogbs, Monday, 19 April 2021 16:20 (five years ago)

hah i didn't catch thats what that card was representing

ciderpress, Monday, 19 April 2021 16:42 (five years ago)

professor bear is good, top 3 common in the set imo along with frost trickster and the 4 damage red spell

ciderpress, Monday, 19 April 2021 16:43 (five years ago)

thus far the format seems to be pretty slow so Rise of Extus is probably up there as well

frogbs, Monday, 19 April 2021 18:27 (five years ago)

its good but its 6 mana so you cant really play too many copies so you cant value it that much higher than the crowd

ciderpress, Monday, 19 April 2021 18:28 (five years ago)

wait scratch that I misread it, I thought it returned an instant or sorcery to your hand

huge disconnect between MTGO/Tabletop prices on Magma Opus & Prismari Command, wonder why that is. neither of those cards seem very good to me but rn the Command is worth 27 tix which is insane for a normal rare

frogbs, Monday, 19 April 2021 18:34 (five years ago)

might be some modern application, thats the main constructed format on mtgo these days

ciderpress, Monday, 19 April 2021 18:36 (five years ago)

no standard play means the entire set value gets shifted into the modern/eternal cards

ciderpress, Monday, 19 April 2021 18:38 (five years ago)

sure but why is that card any good in Modern? seems worse than Kolaghan's Command and probably worse than Electrolyze...either way I've got one so I'm gonna try to finish this league ASAP so I can unload it for 42 tix (!!!)

frogbs, Tuesday, 20 April 2021 18:20 (five years ago)

utility card for UR decks that aren't playing black for k command. depends how important killing artifacts is re: electrolyze comparison. it doesn't have to be great in a vacuum, just has to be the highest interest rare in the set

magma opus plays cleverly with torrential gearhulk which is already used in pioneer so maybe that's whats going on there

ciderpress, Tuesday, 20 April 2021 18:26 (five years ago)

ah yeah I was wondering what the 'reanimate spell' card was that would make Magma Opus work. I think of Gearhulk as a Cube card, sometimes need to remind myself those are real cards too

anyway I 9-0'd my first Sealed which is funny because I don't think I ever did better than 7-2 in Kaldheim. as someone who naturally gravitates towards U/R spell archetypes I think this set may be good for me (obviously I got tremendously lucky, but still). btw is it just me or do there not really seem to be streamlined aggro decks in the recent Limited formats? since taking up MTGO again with Ikoria I've noticed every format has been pretty grindy and time intensive, much less of the solitaire style matches where two good cheap creatures + two removal spells could win you the game by itself.

frogbs, Tuesday, 20 April 2021 19:48 (five years ago)

i haven't played any of the recent formats besides kaldheim and this but i'm told M21 was quite fast

ciderpress, Tuesday, 20 April 2021 20:37 (five years ago)

if you only play sealed though then it's possible the answer is that there's been none

ciderpress, Tuesday, 20 April 2021 20:37 (five years ago)

WR and WG aggro were the best decks in kaldheim draft once the snow lands became contested and stopped wheeling

ciderpress, Tuesday, 20 April 2021 20:39 (five years ago)

yeah those archetypes were nearly nonexistent in Sealed now. whereas back around RTR there always seemed to be a good R/W archetype based around 3 power 2 drops. M21 was definitely faster than other recent formats but it was also prone to those 20+ turn topdecking wars

frogbs, Tuesday, 20 April 2021 20:49 (five years ago)

whipping ass at sealed and dying at draft so far in this one. my constructed half kaldheim/half strixhaven deck that leans hard on Koma & Ascended Spirit w/all snow lands just rolls over everybody.

J Edgar Noothgrush (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Wednesday, 21 April 2021 00:12 (five years ago)

Aggro is still common in recent draft formats but the nature of sealed formats has always made aggro difficult. you need a very specific set of cards. I can count on one hand the sealed formats I remember where aggro was often viable - Zendikar, Gatecrash, Ixalan

Vinnie, Wednesday, 21 April 2021 00:43 (five years ago)

I'm liking Strixhaven so far (three drafts in). UG has been the most fun, tons of synergy cards and huge tokens. In UR, I had some bonkers turns with Storm-Kiln Artist. LSV on stream pulled off a Grapeshot for five, wiped the opponent's board, and attacked for 11 with it!

Vinnie, Wednesday, 21 April 2021 00:52 (five years ago)

yea I really dig how the nuts things you can do in this set are fundamentally different than what you get in most other Limited formats

frogbs, Wednesday, 21 April 2021 01:08 (five years ago)

Yeah it has a different feel. The Mystical Archive cards also contribute to that - unexpected moments because I haven't learned all the cards they brought back yet. Very Time Spiral in feel

Vinnie, Wednesday, 21 April 2021 01:24 (five years ago)

love the artwork on those

frogbs, Wednesday, 21 April 2021 01:27 (five years ago)

I'm currently playing a U/R deck in Sealed with 4 creature cards in it, it's pretty wild. No clue if it's good or not but I can definitely say I've never played a deck like this in Limited before. Also my deck contains both a Shock and a Lightning Bolt. I love this set

frogbs, Tuesday, 27 April 2021 15:29 (five years ago)

two of those creatures don't really attack much either. the other 2 are Storm-Kiln Artists. I mostly win by using Learn spells to generate tokens

frogbs, Tuesday, 27 April 2021 15:46 (five years ago)

Yeah creature-light decks are viable this time around. I thought Codie, Vociferous Codex would be straight up unplayable in draft but if turns out to be amazing if you're in that spell-heavy type of deck

Vinnie, Tuesday, 27 April 2021 23:38 (five years ago)

idk about draft pick orders but I feel like Environmental Sciences is a card every deck wants to have. it's saved my ass so many times

frogbs, Thursday, 29 April 2021 18:05 (five years ago)

you will be pleased to learn that it is the highest pick common then in draft (or should be, dunno if everyones on board yet)

ciderpress, Thursday, 29 April 2021 19:18 (five years ago)

it may be boring but adding mana fixing to 20 cards in the set lets you draft a much more powerful deck and the earlier you have it the earlier you can act on that

ciderpress, Thursday, 29 April 2021 19:20 (five years ago)

I've also found it's hard too have ~~too much~~ land in this set

frogbs, Thursday, 29 April 2021 20:08 (five years ago)

idk if I'm just connecting with this format but my results have been insane so far: 9-0, 8-1, 7-2, 4-5, 8-1, and 7-2. I'm 3 place in trophies through only 6 leagues.

frogbs, Thursday, 29 April 2021 20:16 (five years ago)

how many people are in those friendly leagues? i started a competitive league yesterday and theres only ~500ish people and the wait times for matches were like 5 minutes

ciderpress, Thursday, 29 April 2021 20:57 (five years ago)

it says 750 at the moment. wait times are not bad now, usually after 4-6 weeks they get pretty brutal

biggest downside of those leagues is having to play 9 matches but there's so much you can do in this set that I don't mind at all. that U/R deck I mentioned earlier I'd gladly play another few leagues with.

frogbs, Thursday, 29 April 2021 21:06 (five years ago)

ok sounds about the same then. i've been in a sealed mood but arena is not really an option for the format

ciderpress, Thursday, 29 April 2021 21:17 (five years ago)

btw Quandrix Apprentice is pretty busted, even though it only gets you lands the sheer card advantage this thing can very quickly generate is insane

frogbs, Friday, 30 April 2021 13:48 (five years ago)

yeah terrific card. blue green generally really strong in draft imo

J Edgar Noothgrush (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Friday, 30 April 2021 14:20 (five years ago)

can't say I've ever wound up at this particular life total before

https://i.imgur.com/CzUEXCJ.png

frogbs, Tuesday, 11 May 2021 17:00 (five years ago)

Starting to get sick of this format. I kinda forgot how these five deck draft formats have shorter lifespans, and this time around, I'm ready to call Lorehold a trap. I've never had a successful Lorehold deck, and rarely find I lose to them either. I like Learn as a mechanic but it also leads to a lot of similarity in games, e.g. I've lost count of the number of games someone goes turn 3 Field Trip, turn 4 Elemental Summoning

Vinnie, Wednesday, 12 May 2021 01:07 (five years ago)

yeah i think putting learn in a 5-faction format was a big mistake, its 2 things that severely narrow the ways in which games can play out in the same set

ciderpress, Wednesday, 12 May 2021 01:23 (five years ago)

I assumed Lorehold probably worked better in draft, but yeah. I'm not really sure what the theme is there. The guy that makes spirits every time something is exiled from your 'yard can be pretty insane though.

I still like the format a lot though I'm finding in Sealed I'm pretty much going RUG every time. Dunno if it's the best choice always but they're fun decks to play. Side note I just now found out that Learn actually allows you to discard/draw, after accidentally clicking on my hand and thinking I'd just experienced some very bizarre glitch. One side effect of playing only MTGO is that I don't really read the cards anymore.

one card I've really began to appreciate is Test of Talents - not only are there a lot of targets for it but getting a free peek at your opponent's hand in such a spell-based format is really useful

frogbs, Wednesday, 12 May 2021 16:38 (five years ago)

Yeah there are some bomb rares/mythics that push you into Lorehold like the one you mentioned or the Elder Dragon, but overall the commons/ uncommons are very weak and the deck lacks a cohesive strategy. White didn't get a Pacifism effect this time around, and only one good evasive creature (Combat Professor)?it's hard for the deck to get around a 5/5 fractal. Silverquill performs much better

I end up UG splashing B or R probably half of all drafts. Coincidentally, it was the same experience in Kaldheim!

Test of Talents is great. I originally picked Negate over it, because why wouldn't you, but it's so rare to run into artifacts, enchantments, and PWs, and the peek is valuable

Vinnie, Thursday, 13 May 2021 00:07 (five years ago)

lorehold is fine, it's not as good as silverquill or quandrix but it's in the second tier with the other two. you need to stay pretty aggressive with it though, building around the graveyard stuff is a trap, just treat it as an incidental bonus. i see so many people posting their lists that have stonerise spirit in them and that card is just embarrassing unless you have a bunch of 4+ power creatures to jump, which you usually don't in WR.

ciderpress, Thursday, 13 May 2021 00:25 (five years ago)

most decks in Sealed tend to be 3 color so Lorehold generally "works" as part of a W/R/B deck that's mostly built to take advantage of certain bombs. the decks just don't have the kind of synergy you want, I feel like I'm just playing a bunch of disconnected cards and attempting to cobble together some form of card advantage. when it's strong it's generally because you cleared the way for Ardent Dustspeaker.

I agree Stonerise Spirit is bad, but I did get completely owned by it after attacking right into it not even realizing what the card did

frogbs, Thursday, 13 May 2021 17:01 (five years ago)

Yeah I dunno, to me it's not even second-tier. There's been times I'm the only Lorehold drafter and it still sucks. A lot of the gold commons/uncommons aren't as good payoffs as they are for the other colors (the Apprentice is laughably bad). I'm sure the deck comes together sometimes but ime I usually lack a way to close the game out after an aggressive start the way I can with Silverquill. Now when I open one of the bomb RW rares/mythics, I usually aim for Prismari splashing W

Vinnie, Friday, 14 May 2021 00:49 (five years ago)

I wouldn't be surprised to find the Lorehold stuff was nerfed or shifted around at the last minute. It feels like there must have been some Spirit/graveyard stuff yanked at the end.

one card that's sometimes been crazy valuable is Whirlwind Denial - all the instant/Magecraft stuff can result in like 10 things going on the stack and it's really crazy to be able to just counter everything

frogbs, Friday, 14 May 2021 14:30 (five years ago)

(And no this is not intended for magic the gathering players, you’re cool w/ me)

— Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (@AOC) May 13, 2021

AlanSmithee, Friday, 14 May 2021 20:00 (five years ago)

three weeks pass...

Ok SO, I finally got MtG Arena working on a device (it was my dj laptop, since all the portable devices in the house are too old be supported, and even that was after a battery of Windows updates that me feel like installing a game in the '90s).

It's really fun so far, so nice to have all the phases and rules automated & set in stone. I'm almost done with the Color Challenge (so far I've won my matches against other humans with starter decks, although somehow I also got matched with a couple people who clearly had 'real' decks and it was just savage). I'd like to keep playing for fun (so I doubt I'll get in deep enough to compete against people with crazy meta decks), and I'm also never going to spend any actual money on this game. Advice???

Should I just keep playing matches and slowly upgrading my starter deck of choice? The draft formats are a little confusing, and all seem to cost some amount of in-game currency...I've never played draft before, but it seems like it could be fun since everyone is theoretically starting out on equal footing, right?

change display name (Jordan), Sunday, 6 June 2021 22:28 (five years ago)


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