Beware the Ides of March -- U.S. Politics March 2021

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The point is that Cubans in Miami don’t get to set policy for Cuba, and Puerto Ricans in NYC don’t get to set policy for Puerto Rico, any more than I get to set policy for Norway.

Dan I., Thursday, 18 March 2021 23:46 (five years ago)

kinda feel like the hierarchy goes like:

citizens of Puerto Rico
former Puerto Rico residents
people who have never lived in Puerto Rico but have family there
Jeff Bezos
Joe Biden
white male American ILXors who post on the US politics thread
MSNBC content providers
people who bought Puerto Rican influenced food in the past month in Chicago
me
racist Trump supporters

sarahell, Thursday, 18 March 2021 23:49 (five years ago)

the comparison between these groups is not exactly equivalent as US voters do indeed have more of a direct impact on Puerto Rico than Cuba or Norway. Also, while the opinions of Puerto Ricans is the number one factor to take into account, I'd argue it isn't the only one, as a bunch of non-Puerto Ricans have to vote on it.

Mr. Cacciatore (Moodles), Thursday, 18 March 2021 23:51 (five years ago)

The hierarchy is:
Citizens of Puerto Rico


That’s it.

Dan I., Thursday, 18 March 2021 23:51 (five years ago)

And the questions of whether Puerto Rico wants to be a state and whether the US will admit Puerto Rico as a state are categorically distinct, obviously.

Dan I., Thursday, 18 March 2021 23:53 (five years ago)

xpost thanks sarahell it's really nice to be included in the process

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 18 March 2021 23:54 (five years ago)

seems like some politicians have some thoughts on this topic

Puerto Rico can no longer be treated like a colony. The people of Puerto Rico deserve the right to decide their own future, and have their voices heard. https://t.co/Xzg0PnzHOQ

— Bernie Sanders (@SenSanders) March 18, 2021

Mr. Cacciatore (Moodles), Friday, 19 March 2021 00:26 (five years ago)

I don’t see why he gets any say in who gets a say

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Friday, 19 March 2021 00:27 (five years ago)

Cubans are honorary boricuas to them

So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 19 March 2021 00:30 (five years ago)

Reminded me of this analysis from last fall. There's no certainty Puerto Rico would be blue.

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/09/09/puerto-rico-statehood-politics-democrats-republicans-senate-409191

a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Friday, 19 March 2021 01:05 (five years ago)

quality politicking:

Sen. @RandPaul: "If we're not spreading the infection, isn't it just theater? You have the vaccine and you're wearing two masks, isn't that theater?

Dr. Anthony Fauci: "Here we go again with the theater. Let's get down to the facts."

Full video here: https://t.co/61RnSUvayG pic.twitter.com/xDWnCuFjjO

— CSPAN (@cspan) March 18, 2021

armoured van, Holden (sic), Friday, 19 March 2021 01:17 (five years ago)

Theatre is having a fake board certification in opthalmology

"Salvation Army FUCK!" (Neanderthal), Friday, 19 March 2021 01:20 (five years ago)

http://danbliss.blogspot.com/2011/11/51-star-flag.html

52 is definitely better than 51 here

― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, March 18, 2021 4:03 PM (four hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

There are other 51-star designs. Namely:
https://preview.redd.it/3ftk3h2wtko51.png?width=800&format=png&auto=webp&s=3992f80c70c289789a10ebb92004a40ccdda3192

jaymc, Friday, 19 March 2021 01:30 (five years ago)

The old SB/FP flag

"Salvation Army FUCK!" (Neanderthal), Friday, 19 March 2021 01:35 (five years ago)

That is a literal flag post

vaya con carne (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 19 March 2021 01:48 (five years ago)

kinda feel like the hierarchy goes like:

citizens of Puerto Rico
former Puerto Rico residents
people who have never lived in Puerto Rico but have family there
Jeff Bezos
Joe Biden
white male American ILXors who post on the US politics thread
MSNBC content providers
people who bought Puerto Rican influenced food in the past month in Chicago
me
racist Trump supporters

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ee/Invisible_Man_%281952_1st_ed_jacket_cover%29.jpg

Hello Nice FBI Lady (DJP), Friday, 19 March 2021 02:08 (five years ago)

kinda feel like the hierarchy goes like:

citizens of Puerto Rico
former Puerto Rico residents
people who have never lived in Puerto Rico but have family there
Jeff Bezos
Joe Biden
white male American ILXors who post on the US politics thread
MSNBC content providers
people who bought Puerto Rican influenced food in the past month in Chicago
me
racist Trump supporters

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ee/Invisible_Man_%281952_1st_ed_jacket_cover%29.jpg

Hello Nice FBI Lady (DJP), Friday, 19 March 2021 02:08 (five years ago)

dammit phone

Hello Nice FBI Lady (DJP), Friday, 19 March 2021 02:08 (five years ago)

^ omits mention of vast numbers of women in any category above racist Trump supporters. sounds about right.

Judge Roi Behan (Aimless), Friday, 19 March 2021 02:41 (five years ago)

https://www.thedailybeast.com/biden-white-house-sandbags-staffers-sidelines-dozens-for-pot-use

White House? More like nerd house.

Joe Bombin (milo z), Friday, 19 March 2021 03:47 (five years ago)

xp: Are women not citizens or something

Hello Nice FBI Lady (DJP), Friday, 19 March 2021 10:01 (five years ago)

The most infuriating example of Beltway journalism I've read this year. Nothing matters except who's up and who's down.

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2021/03/18/ron-desantis-profile-covid-florida-2024-476777

So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 19 March 2021 10:19 (five years ago)

Re: PR, about half of the Puerto Ricans I know live in Puerto Rico, the other half are in the states.

it's like edging for your mind (the table is the table), Friday, 19 March 2021 17:01 (five years ago)

Biden tripped climbing stairs, MAGAs finally have their revenge for Rampgate.

Joe Bombin (milo z), Friday, 19 March 2021 17:07 (five years ago)

That's great ttitt, did the folks in PR vote to make their voices heard against statehood in November, and if so are they aware that they lost that vote? In fact, the margin by which "Yes" won the referendum is larger than the margin in every US presidential election since 2008.

Dan I., Friday, 19 March 2021 17:39 (five years ago)

to be fair that's the latest in a string of referenda
1967 39% for statehood
1993 47% for statehood
1998 47% for statehood
2012 54% for change in status; of the 54%, 61% of those chose statehood
2020 52.5% for statehood
OTOH, Congress has traditionally only required a simple majority of both houses to grant statehood

Bnad, Friday, 19 March 2021 17:52 (five years ago)

Yeah true, pro-statehood has won 3 out of 5, so what do the anti-statehood folks want exactly? Multiple additional elections so they can try for best 5 out of 9? Surely they don’t want to keep trying until they finally win one and then take their ball and go home claiming victory.

Dan I., Friday, 19 March 2021 17:59 (five years ago)

Sorry, you left out 2017, which pro-statehood also won.

Dan I., Friday, 19 March 2021 18:01 (five years ago)

Seems unlikely that a Puerto Rican who wants independence is going to be swayed by a referendum to become a state?

Joe Bombin (milo z), Friday, 19 March 2021 18:03 (five years ago)

Okay, this is one toke over the line:

(CNN)Several White House staffers were asked to resign, were suspended or are working remotely after revealing past marijuana use during their background checks, sources familiar with the situation tell CNN.
Five people are no longer employed at the White House, while additional staffers are working remotely. In many of the cases involving staffers who are no longer employed, additional security factors were in play, including for some hard drug use, the official said...

Andy the Grasshopper, Friday, 19 March 2021 18:04 (five years ago)

That last sentence is kinda perplexing. So, five people were reportedly actually fired, but "in many of the cases involving staffers who are no longer employed, additional security factors were in play, including for some hard drug use." So in "many" of the five cases? What number is that, 3? 4? And yet others were just sent to ... work at home? Because they admitted to past marijuana use? Like, we're not firing you, but we don't want you hanging around making us look bad with your past pot smoking?

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 19 March 2021 18:11 (five years ago)

In order to be granted an exception, staffers must agree to stop using of marijuana, agree to a pledge to not use marijuana during government service, and undergo random drug tests...

So now we're treating federal employees like high school freshmen, got it.

Andy the Grasshopper, Friday, 19 March 2021 18:20 (five years ago)

I prefer treating high school freshmen like federal employees

So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 19 March 2021 18:23 (five years ago)

I recently passed up some very good job offers that required drug tests or willingness to get a clearance (not gov but some gov contractors).

Yeah, it may be getting slightly better in terms of forgiveness for past sins, but only if you show contrition and commit to never sin again. No thanks.

Personally, I'll wait until hiring practices catch up with reality. Not everyone has as many choices as I do, I know.

vaya con carne (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 19 March 2021 18:25 (five years ago)

The thing about marijuana use and public service is that there isn’t a rule and it’s applied super inconsistently. I had no problem getting hired despite admitting pot use, but many others (incl for the same role) were disqualified. Its absolutely inconsistent and unfair. https://t.co/AjTcAweCbJ

— jacobian (@jacobian) March 19, 2021


I’m also 99% sure we’ll eventually learn it’s been applied in a racist way. I know a black person who was rejected for pot use while white pot users were hired. Same agency same levels. Perhaps the white people lied but I don’t think so. I’d be amazed if this wasn’t a pattern.

— jacobian (@jacobian) March 19, 2021

former 18F (or USDS, forget which) guy

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Friday, 19 March 2021 18:29 (five years ago)

Stupid and wrong as it is, cannabis is still federally listed as a schedule 1 drug and if being arrested for possession or use is what you call 'being treated like high school freshmen', then there are plenty of US states where the cops will gladly treat you like that.

Judge Roi Behan (Aimless), Friday, 19 March 2021 18:29 (five years ago)

did you miss this bit?

"Several staffers were informally told by transition officials that some past marijuana use would be overlooked, only to be told later that they were being asked to resign."

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Friday, 19 March 2021 18:31 (five years ago)

on the one hand, yes, that is all otm and bad, on the other, how hard is it to never, ever admit pot use when applying for any job, anywhere

xxp

map ca. 1890 (map), Friday, 19 March 2021 18:31 (five years ago)

even when you are literally taking pot to make it easier to do your job lol

map ca. 1890 (map), Friday, 19 March 2021 18:32 (five years ago)

The Vice President is on record as having smoked weed IIRC

Joe Bombin (milo z), Friday, 19 March 2021 18:32 (five years ago)

I admitted pot use and held a top secret clearance in my first post-college job. The primary thing they were looking for was to make sure I couldn't be blackmailed.

Hello Nice FBI Lady (DJP), Friday, 19 March 2021 18:33 (five years ago)

are you now or have you ever been a fan of Ned's Atomic Dustbin

so tonight that I might ramona quimby (f. hazel), Friday, 19 March 2021 18:38 (five years ago)

feverishly scanning interns' credit card bills for purchases of Phish merch

Joe Bombin (milo z), Friday, 19 March 2021 18:39 (five years ago)

"no i swear i only visit livephish dot com when i'm sober"

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Friday, 19 March 2021 18:40 (five years ago)

this administration's view on marijuana is just mind-boggling. like 75% of the country wants it legalized. it's already legal in a bunch of states and the ones where it isn't you can just get Delta 8 weed, which is basically just Bud Light (lol). it's already well-established that there's like no downside and a lot of potential upside. just fuckin' do it already

frogbs, Friday, 19 March 2021 18:49 (five years ago)

The SF-whatever questions are very slanted toward a specific answer. That answer is "I was around druggies for a while in college and so, yeah, I tried it experimentally a few times. I'm not hanging around those people anymore and I won't ever be tempted into their wicked ways."

They are definitely NOT looking for an answer like, "Yeah I had some completely legal edibles last year in Colorado (or California, or New Jersey, or the District of Columbia) and it was fine and I will probably do it again in a few years when it's legal in my state."

It sucks and it makes no sense but that is the current state of things.

You inhaled pounds of weed in college but you have lost touch with your connection = okay.

Indulging responsibly, from time to time, as an adult (when it is legal in your jurisdiction) = not okay.

vaya con carne (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 19 March 2021 19:09 (five years ago)

I agree that it's dumb, but as Aimless said it's still federally illegal. That needs to go away so this nonsense won't happen anymore.

Hello Nice FBI Lady (DJP), Friday, 19 March 2021 19:14 (five years ago)

just fuckin' do it already

otm. it's just not on the radar of old, powerful people as an issue of immediate concern. maybe, if the cards fall right in the mid-terms, they'll manage it in 2023.

Judge Roi Behan (Aimless), Friday, 19 March 2021 19:14 (five years ago)

they're just trying to keep Dave Matthews Band from being played in the White House, they had to find a way

"Salvation Army FUCK!" (Neanderthal), Friday, 19 March 2021 19:15 (five years ago)

meanwhile, more state ballot initiatives are the path forward.

Judge Roi Behan (Aimless), Friday, 19 March 2021 19:16 (five years ago)


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