emil.y, if you're curious, she addresses this in section IV of her 'Canceling' video, of which there is a very helpful transcript:
https://www.contrapoints.com/transcripts/canceling
― pomenitul, Thursday, 4 March 2021 23:45 (three years ago) link
When I said 'a sort of extremism' I think I meant that Kate had at times conflated her experience of Contrapoints as someone who didn't speak for her own experience - fine - with someone who should be mistrusted or morally castigated. In posts subsequent to the one I linked there, I think Kate clarified and refined her position in a manner that made it clearly not extremist or overly judgemental. Reading through it, I'm struck that progress was made. I still need to find the j. stuff haha
― imago, Thursday, 4 March 2021 23:46 (three years ago) link
Basically, imagine if I had thousands of followers and posted some of my worst suicidal ideation posts. I would be hurting and endangering a lot of people. Would it still be okay, because it's a source of hurt for me too?
― emil.y, Thursday, 4 March 2021 23:40 (six minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
imo yes it would. I have seen you post your pain on here and on Twitter and I'm glad you feel able to do so. Keep reaching out no matter who's listening
― imago, Thursday, 4 March 2021 23:48 (three years ago) link
otm
― pomenitul, Thursday, 4 March 2021 23:51 (three years ago) link
Hmm, hmm. I'll take a look at that transcript, pom. I do think this is a bit too much of a derail for this thread (and I'm also a little wary about the discussion being driven by non-trans people and about a poster not present) so I'm going to step back from it. I will say I really miss Kate's presence here, and wish she was posting again.
― emil.y, Thursday, 4 March 2021 23:53 (three years ago) link
Absolutely. Me too.
― imago, Thursday, 4 March 2021 23:55 (three years ago) link
Agreed.
― pomenitul, Thursday, 4 March 2021 23:56 (three years ago) link
Is there anyone who knows her offboard that could perhaps reach out to her to see if she's ok?
― Oor Neechy, Thursday, 4 March 2021 23:58 (three years ago) link
OK I've read basically most of it. Here is my Fair Breakdown:
j.'s departure was a bit soft imo. yes, he politely and thoughtfully laid out his apologiae for the modern liberal tradition, only to be accosted by Kate, silby et al, but I thought that stuff was largely quite bracing tbh - it was Good Content and I'm sad that j. felt compelled to depart. for sure, there had been ad hominem presumptions of bad faith, but silby was operating from a place that was largely quite funny, and Kate from a place that was above all anguished. what galled j. I suppose was the effort he was putting into his posts, only for them to be met with what might have seemed like dismissiveness. but j. also had a LOT of people largely on board with him and his arguments (ahem), and it seems like it was really that Aimless post that broke him (and I'm not surprised tbh).
My recommendation is that j. returns to ILX and tries to not mind it when, for example, silby gets zingy or Kate gets despairing, but continues to plough his argumentative furrow, because as I say I could detect plenty of agreement towards his posts, and I also think that after he left, the conversation continued to improve (not BECAUSE he left, lol, but if anything powered by the spirit of thoughtful analysis his posting had engendered, and ongoing reflection on all sides).
I'd forgotten what a central role I myself played in that whole farrago, so I also feel a bit guilty for my part in what was, yes, a bracing argument, but not one without its traumas.
― imago, Friday, 5 March 2021 00:42 (three years ago) link
I mean i keep rubbing my eyes at the thread title you are doing this in
― beware the ídes of mairt (darraghmac), Friday, 5 March 2021 00:44 (three years ago) link
tl;dr: if you think silby has driven you off ilx then you've misunderstood silby
― imago, Friday, 5 March 2021 00:46 (three years ago) link
#onethread
That strikes me as a fair assessment of that FFA btw.
― pomenitul, Friday, 5 March 2021 00:48 (three years ago) link
leave Future Farmers of America out of this
― superdeep borehole (harbl), Friday, 5 March 2021 01:22 (three years ago) link
The finnish football association would like to make it known that they have no idea what is going on, generally
― beware the ídes of mairt (darraghmac), Friday, 5 March 2021 01:25 (three years ago) link
I have no memory of this at all!
― Canon in Deez (silby), Friday, 5 March 2021 01:27 (three years ago) link
I wasn’t going to post in this thread, because that would be posting, but now I’ve posted
― Canon in Deez (silby), Friday, 5 March 2021 01:28 (three years ago) link
Tbf there's posting and there's posting.
― pomenitul, Friday, 5 March 2021 01:28 (three years ago) link
Wow I posted a lot, actually.
― Canon in Deez (silby), Friday, 5 March 2021 01:35 (three years ago) link
^this was exactly my own reaction, haha
― imago, Friday, 5 March 2021 01:37 (three years ago) link
I've averaged two (2) posts a month for the last thirteen (13) years, ama.
― Vernon Locke, Friday, 5 March 2021 01:38 (three years ago) link
probably the healthiest posting rate tbh
― superdeep borehole (harbl), Friday, 5 March 2021 01:42 (three years ago) link
ama
Are you not worried about breaking your remarkable streak?
― pomenitul, Friday, 5 March 2021 01:46 (three years ago) link
Whove yall fpd
― beware the ídes of mairt (darraghmac), Friday, 5 March 2021 01:52 (three years ago) link
why are you not pooping
― Red Nerussi (Neanderthal), Friday, 5 March 2021 02:05 (three years ago) link
F'n Post Office holding up my posts. They are stuck in a router in Omaha.
― earlnash, Friday, 5 March 2021 02:09 (three years ago) link
Serves you right for perpetrating posting fraud.
― pomenitul, Friday, 5 March 2021 02:10 (three years ago) link
*poster fraud
― pomenitul, Friday, 5 March 2021 02:11 (three years ago) link
Postal lurkers strike
― beware the ídes of mairt (darraghmac), Friday, 5 March 2021 02:16 (three years ago) link
maybe I will post tonight
― brimstead, Friday, 5 March 2021 02:32 (three years ago) link
someday i hope to write the greatest ilx post in history
― treeship., Friday, 5 March 2021 02:34 (three years ago) link
I want to say why Im not posting but my 57000+ posts kind of belie that I suppose. But I'll go with Cruts "Ive embarrased myself enough".
Also, too many dicks on the dancefloor.
― Stoop Crone (Trayce), Friday, 5 March 2021 02:40 (three years ago) link
Nah. I usually post a bunch at once, then go quiet for months. See you in November!
I flag posts, not people.
There's enough shit on ilx as it is.
― Vernon Locke, Friday, 5 March 2021 03:15 (three years ago) link
wow it's amazing how angry j's post made me, dude fuck off along with your "academic" "intellectual" buddies Oor Neechy and Euler, gee it's such a shame that you can't have a thread on ILX where you deny trans people's lived experiences right to their face without getting pushback (a lot of which was funny tbh). do any of you care that it probably made Kate leave? all three of you suck.
― I like signing up to dead sites (sleeve), Friday, 5 March 2021 03:38 (three years ago) link
no I'm not posting itt again,no bookmark, fuck you
― I like signing up to dead sites (sleeve), Friday, 5 March 2021 03:39 (three years ago) link
branwell made kate leave iirc
― call all destroyer, Friday, 5 March 2021 03:43 (three years ago) link
Can we not with this yet again ugh
― Stoop Crone (Trayce), Friday, 5 March 2021 03:44 (three years ago) link
sorry, that's just very literally on the record and it should be clear where that responsibility lies.
― call all destroyer, Friday, 5 March 2021 03:51 (three years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UsW040wrMNA
― J. Sam, Friday, 5 March 2021 03:59 (three years ago) link
0:34
― J. Sam, Friday, 5 March 2021 04:00 (three years ago) link
i do not know if the ppl involved were unaware that it's uncool to try to extensively diagnose an old conversation that caused someone to leave, especially when one of the parties involved has not returned either. however that is what happened here, and it's pretty uncool fyi
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Friday, 5 March 2021 04:07 (three years ago) link
how old are people here? how do they find time to post?
i guess work keeps me busy
― Punster McPunisher, Friday, 5 March 2021 04:12 (three years ago) link
we’re not all flipped McGriddles here, mcpunisher
― brimstead, Friday, 5 March 2021 05:06 (three years ago) link
(sorry
flippingoddamit
wow FPed sleeve thrice in two weeks, sadly only one of them counts.
― Red Nerussi (Neanderthal), Friday, 5 March 2021 05:11 (three years ago) link
Kumbayah, my lordKumbayah
― Zach_TBD (Karl Malone), Friday, 5 March 2021 07:33 (three years ago) link
Late to post this, but some time ago mike t-diva very kindly sent me an out of print CD set that I was after - a gesture that to me seemed to sum up ILM at its generous best.
― Ward Fowler, Friday, 5 March 2021 09:29 (three years ago) link
Oh, the Dolly Mixture boxed set - yeah, I was sent some complimentary copies, so it was good to pass one on.
― mike t-diva, Friday, 5 March 2021 10:35 (three years ago) link
For some ex-posters, not posting is the best outcome for all.
― Luna Schlosser, Friday, 5 March 2021 11:54 (three years ago) link
FP'd sleeve. dragging Oor Neechy and Euler into it for absolutely no goddamn reason?
― eisimpleir (crüt), Friday, 5 March 2021 13:51 (three years ago) link