Silicon Valley Techno-Utopianism

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it's aspirational -- the desk-bound coders are supposed to want to go hiking/camping and need a bona fide reason to buy these shirts, but instead, they don't and just, y'know, buy them to make up for not showering

sarahell, Wednesday, 3 March 2021 15:46 (five years ago)

well, I wear mostly merino wool shirts AND shower daily. so there!

mh, Wednesday, 3 March 2021 15:46 (five years ago)

#notalldeskboundcoders

sarahell, Wednesday, 3 March 2021 16:04 (five years ago)

baffler's not all bad... this is savage and i love it
https://thebaffler.com/salvos/how-to-become-an-intellectual-in-silicon-valley-timms

davey, Thursday, 11 March 2021 13:36 (five years ago)

Join DocuSign executives, along with industry visionaries from Progressive and Arm, to discover how they are transforming their agreement process. You’ll also hear from singer/songwriters and inspiring speakers like Michael Franti and Mick Ebeling of Not Impossible Labs.

sarahell, Thursday, 11 March 2021 17:32 (five years ago)

seriously, what happened to Michael Franti

Hello Nice FBI Lady (DJP), Thursday, 11 March 2021 17:37 (five years ago)

I mean, Docusign is a pretty solid program as far as electronic signatures go but .... seriously ... ya, right?

sarahell, Thursday, 11 March 2021 17:40 (five years ago)

"industry visionaries" = vomit all over myself

Andy the Grasshopper, Thursday, 11 March 2021 17:48 (five years ago)

davey's link is indeed a pleasant read and highlights how much these dumb assholes are just 1970s/80s neoliberal chamber-of-commerce mouthpieces but with a fresh coat of rock-star paint plus ted talks and twitter.

this honking's on a bobo (Doctor Casino), Thursday, 11 March 2021 18:39 (five years ago)

There was a vinyl banner in SOMA San Francisco with some tech knob wearing a headset mic, and the pithy, airy quote: "We should only think of a technology as radical if it benefits every person on the planet."

And I thought "Bowls? Bowls is all I got. Maybe sandals?"

Andy the Grasshopper, Thursday, 11 March 2021 19:08 (five years ago)

the wheel

Hello Nice FBI Lady (DJP), Thursday, 11 March 2021 19:17 (five years ago)

the toilet

sarahell, Friday, 12 March 2021 02:46 (five years ago)

the smallpox vaccine

davey, Friday, 12 March 2021 03:07 (five years ago)

For real though instead of NFTs can't we just docusign stuff?

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Friday, 12 March 2021 03:24 (five years ago)

the toilet


Not everyone!

Bruno Ganz and Babaloo Mandel (Boring, Maryland), Friday, 12 March 2021 03:43 (five years ago)

xp - seriously, why isn't Grimes headlining the Docusign conference?

sarahell, Friday, 12 March 2021 05:46 (five years ago)

pic.twitter.com/mmdI3ioIOf

— Nitasha Tiku (@nitashatiku) March 12, 2021

Joe Bombin (milo z), Friday, 12 March 2021 07:12 (five years ago)

I'm howling

Hello Nice FBI Lady (DJP), Friday, 12 March 2021 15:50 (five years ago)

is this intentional or unintentional comedy?

sarahell, Friday, 12 March 2021 16:05 (five years ago)

The North Sentinelese in the Andaman Islands don't have wheels or smallpox vaccines. They may have toilets and/or bowls, nobody knows.

Andy the Grasshopper, Friday, 12 March 2021 16:14 (five years ago)

The part about watching Jackson do design work live on twitch is the clincher.

Andy the Grasshopper, Friday, 12 March 2021 16:18 (five years ago)

why does she speak like TTS software?

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Friday, 12 March 2021 19:27 (five years ago)

two weeks pass...

This is extremely good and fascinating. Still not done with it:

https://www.thedigradio.com/podcast/counterculture-to-cyberculture-with-fred-turner/

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Monday, 29 March 2021 16:21 (five years ago)

Anyone gonna watch this? I don't know.. the founder guy looks kinda like the Night Stalker

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HVAESeO7dgc

Andy the Grasshopper, Thursday, 8 April 2021 18:58 (five years ago)

three weeks pass...

Mind Capitalism: Braindreessen Horowitz pic.twitter.com/2OxuHn8r0s

— Ed Zitron (@edzitron) May 4, 2021

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Tuesday, 4 May 2021 01:37 (five years ago)

What?

Clara Lemlich stan account (silby), Tuesday, 4 May 2021 01:42 (five years ago)

Okay at first I thought it was inexplicable, then I thought it was some kind of sinister prank the universe was playing on me, but now I'm just really enjoying how dumb this tweet is. Man just had a thought and tweeted it without any of the wiser parts of the brain stepping in, they were just as transfixed as the rest of us.

lukas, Tuesday, 4 May 2021 01:46 (five years ago)

this whole basecamp thing has been amazing

mookieproof, Tuesday, 4 May 2021 13:47 (five years ago)

It's been a case study in how to set your company on fire

80's hair metal , and good praise music ! (DJP), Tuesday, 4 May 2021 14:03 (five years ago)

I’m learning some leadership lessons certainly, like “don’t call in to the very sensitive all-hands from bed”

Clara Lemlich stan account (silby), Tuesday, 4 May 2021 14:43 (five years ago)

my grad school adviser was a huge basecamp stan so I've been following it a bit, the whole thing to me really smacks of all the white tech guys I've encountered in undergrad/grad education at tech schools—the reactionary way of dealing with these conversations is basically an across-the-board thing, especially the general "I just want to build cool shit, why do we have to talk about things that are so ambiguous and divisive? also I have not experienced white supremacy or done it so it doesn't exist."

underminer of twenty years of excellent contribution to this borad (dan m), Tuesday, 4 May 2021 16:07 (five years ago)

wait, what is this thing?

sarahell, Tuesday, 4 May 2021 16:45 (five years ago)

https://www.platformer.news/p/-how-basecamp-blew-up

mookieproof, Tuesday, 4 May 2021 16:46 (five years ago)

if you're outside tech then they're obviously awful people just based on this story, but there's a huge amount of schadenfreude inside tech too because they've written a bunch of very strident "here's how to run a company" books.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Tuesday, 4 May 2021 17:02 (five years ago)

Picked this book authored by the Basecamp co-founders off of the shelf and opened it to a section I had highlighted when I first read it. 🙄 pic.twitter.com/aJHptrC8XK

— JT (@thejoshtorres) May 4, 2021

lukas, Tuesday, 4 May 2021 17:16 (five years ago)

Picked this book authored by the Basecamp co-founders off of the shelf and opened it to a section I had highlighted when I first read it. 🙄 pic.twitter.com/aJHptrC8XK

— JT (@thejoshtorres) May 4, 2021

lukas, Tuesday, 4 May 2021 17:16 (five years ago)

more coverage: https://www.theverge.com/2021/5/3/22418208/basecamp-all-hands-meeting-employee-resignations-buyouts-implosion

underminer of twenty years of excellent contribution to this borad (dan m), Tuesday, 4 May 2021 17:46 (five years ago)

I’m learning some leadership lessons certainly, like “don’t call in to the very sensitive all-hands from bed”

I thought this had to be a joke

80's hair metal , and good praise music ! (DJP), Tuesday, 4 May 2021 17:59 (five years ago)

dan m, I think that Verge piece is exactly the same as what mookieproof posted?

80's hair metal , and good praise music ! (DJP), Tuesday, 4 May 2021 17:59 (five years ago)

weird, I assumed since it was a separate URL that it would have been different, my bad

underminer of twenty years of excellent contribution to this borad (dan m), Tuesday, 4 May 2021 18:10 (five years ago)

So this kerfufle was triggered by employees posting to ilx's "Abysmal Real Names" thread?

everything, Tuesday, 4 May 2021 21:21 (five years ago)

Feels good to not know what Basecamp does.

Joe Bombin (milo z), Tuesday, 4 May 2021 21:35 (five years ago)

^^

DJI, Tuesday, 4 May 2021 21:56 (five years ago)

dan m, I think that Verge piece is exactly the same as what mookieproof posted?

― 80's hair metal , and good praise music ! (DJP), Tuesday, May 4, 2021 1:59 PM (four hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

i think the author has a deal where he's allowed to post his stuff to his own site (which he sells subscriptions for) and the verge pays him to syndicate it.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Tuesday, 4 May 2021 22:02 (five years ago)

the basecamp thing is definitely one of those “we’re the good guys” scenarios where leadership was even “doing the work” by telling the employees about the books they were reading, only for the employees to say “hey, maybe we’re doing some things wrong” only for the boss to point at the “we’re the good guys” sign on the wall

mh, Wednesday, 5 May 2021 14:56 (five years ago)

Ha otm.

I read their book about remote work when I went remote and it’s no better than any airport business book but it’s written in that y combinator style that simulates clear thinking.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Wednesday, 5 May 2021 15:07 (five years ago)

Ironically for ilx I am reading this right now https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/3828902 (who was into this idea and posted about it in re: Arsenal? I can’t remember). I kind of thought it was a cult 70s thing like the whole earth catalog and chaos theory etc. bit I saw it recommended a bunch and it is at least very short so I’m giving it a shot.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Wednesday, 5 May 2021 15:09 (five years ago)

I was going to post "The Limits to Growth was a huge deal" but my supervisor is writing a book about the history of models, so I may have a pretty skewed perspective on this

rob, Wednesday, 5 May 2021 15:33 (five years ago)

Re not knowing what they do. This talk of "building cool shit" is much funnier when you do. What a bizarre economy.

maf you one two (maffew12), Wednesday, 5 May 2021 15:56 (five years ago)

the line between the Whole Earth Catalog and Q running through silicon valley, the free software foundation, and gamergate is a very bright and straight one

Clara Lemlich stan account (silby), Wednesday, 5 May 2021 15:57 (five years ago)


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