“It’s a little too quiet” - US Politics February 2021

Based on his response, I wasn't able to really read that into it. Wasn't trying to hector or lecture, I just think that some similar commentary (the drowning hand meme where the Dems say "Latinx" with rainbow flags and a high five) is right on

are you fucking kidding me

Do you think I am a drooling idiot who has never had any occasion or opportunity to confront or grapple with intersectionality issues? Did you just completely forget who you were talking to in your rush to back up the team?

fuck off

This is why I have no time for any of you, none of you think my existence is valid or meaningful

liberals, from politicians on down, always hold up representational emblems of diversity in order to dissemble from their true motives, which are *virtually the same* as those of conservatives in many cases.

This is complete bullshit and you know it. You're also painting with a super wide brush here. I'd also invite you to think about how difficult it is to be a POC in this country and how your words can hurt people before you respond again--just a suggestion, but you're coming off as clueless and insensitive

I'm sorry Dan— I think you're an excellent person, and really wasn't trying to be an insensitive dick. But I was, so again, my apologies. Now I'm going to shut the hell up.

this is why we can't have nice things

It's also not necessary to say "liberals are just like conservatives" every time a liberal president does something you don't like. Liberals can just be bad in of themselves, without having to pretend they're the same as Trump supporters.

It's also not necessary to say "liberals are just like conservatives" every time a liberal president does something you don't like.

No, you can also just say it like breathing.

It's just a dumb thing to say. It puts you in the same rhetorical class as libertarian IPA bros.

considering a white man is still head of state of a white supremacist country/empire, perhaps some targets could be better chosen, and some memes retired

do "fuck america" and "the white left is racist" have to be irreconcilable positions

however liberals often do things conservatives do in similar ways for similar reasons and it's bullshit to rule out any comparison (and liberalism and conservatism aren't opposites or mutually exclusive)

Sure, man. Fight the power.

you don't say

But...but...but...actually...

however liberals often do things conservatives do in similar ways for similar reasons and it's bullshit to rule out any comparison (and liberalism and conservatism aren't opposites or mutually exclusive)

I'm fine with comparisons, still looking for one in this thread about this topic that's not simplistic/like a meme/super reductive

is there a way to call out American empire without being whatever dopey college radical stereotype is being implied here or is that impossible

how about Trump and Biden's concentration camps is that too reductive or meme-like

It's the trouble with political aspirationalism, no? If you've spent years if not decades climbing ever closer to the center of power, you have little incentive to question much less dismantle this ladder. You accept the assumptions because without those assumptions your ascension wouldn't have happened.

Biden's concentration camps are being blocked by a Trump judge. Please let me know exactly what you think should be done in this case and I will listen

https://www.vox.com/2021/2/25/22299197/trump-judge-drew-tipton-biden-deportation-immigration-texas-united-states-injunction-supreme-court

I know what Trump would do--he would bitch about the judge and conservatives would be in a lather about judges. Tell me again how conservatives and liberals are the same.

how about Trump and Biden's concentration camps is that too reductive or meme-like

yes

is there a way to call out American empire without being whatever dopey college radical stereotype is being implied here or is that impossible

― Towards a Britain-Free Planet (Left), Friday, February 26, 2021 3:51 PM (nine minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

i'm sorry to lyk this but it's impossible on ilx because everyone here is very very intelligent

they have immense capabilities when it comes to discerning different shades of grey it's very inspiring

First day of Biden's office: Halts deportations for 100 days
Couple weeks later, Trump judge blocks the order *for the entire country* which, if y'all would read, is considered legally sketchy by none other than N. Gorsuch

Some people in this thread: WOW THEY ARE THE SAME OMG LETS MAKE JOKES

But seriously I'm waiting for one of y'all to tell me exactly how Biden should thread this needle because I would love to hear y'alls braintrust take on it.

i'm going to let myself out the door of this thread for the day but suffice it to say i always appreciate caek's contributions, they give me little slivers of hope

trying and failing to halt some deportations is not the same as shutting down the camps! which biden has no intention of doing! but fuck it and fuck anyone who actually likes rapey joe and thinks he's doing a good job

I don't know what democratic socialist paradises y'all live in, but for those of us in red states with Trumpy Republican supermajorities, where the Legislature is, e.g., getting ready to pass yet another trans-bashing bill and refuses to expand Medicaid even tho/because it would help hundreds of thousands of people, the "Dems/libs are just as bad" arguments are not just stupid but kind of infuriating. No, they're fucking not.

You can criticize Biden and the Democrats all you want and still maintain the mental clarity to tell the difference.

You can criticize Biden and the Democrats all you want and still maintain the mental clarity to tell the difference.

Yep

tipsy otm and it is endless infuriating to see people meme and shitpost otherwise. it's dismissive as fuck and hardly different from the "Texans deserve to die in the cold because they voted for dumb people" takes.

hard to have any faith in democrats being able to distinguish "legitimate criticism" from bullshit considering the last few decades but whatever

table, I strongly appreciate and admire your commitment to acknowledging and redressing situations where someone is upset with you. I wish I was better at it. Thank you, sincerely.

I don’t think Biden’s administration is doing well with immigration. I am not going to comment on the drone strike because I have not yet read anything about it beyond a headline saying it happened. I don’t think there is any reason to bring Kamala Harris’s race into either of these beyond hating uppity Black/brown women and the reason why it needs to be brought up continuously and consistently is because leftist thought presents itself as explicitly antiracist and it should embarrass you that it isn’t.

To be clear, “you” is explicitly xyzzz and Left in this instance.

of course it's embarrassing

On immigration, fwiw, the new ICE guidance has effectively shut down our local sheriff's participation in the 287(g) enforcement program. Almost everyone they've been deporting under it was initially arrested on misdemeanors, and they have been explicitly told ICE doesn't even want to hear about those cases anymore. So while nothing is actually good yet on immigration, at our local level we've gone from the sheriff deporting 20-30 people a month to zero. That might not be much difference in the grand scheme, but it definitely matters to those 20 or 30 people a month and their families.

Dan thanks for calling all of that out, sincerely.

When you can point me to the groundswell of liberal proclamations saying “Thank God we’ve got a beautiful black women blowing people up for us and kicking them out of the country”, which is what these ostensibly non-racist leftist tweets are doing, I will concede the point. Until the , kiss my entire Black ass.

gotta have big lips to etc

wait no never mind RETRACT

listen the joke is that to kiss an entire ass at once oh forget it

What a POS: https://www.keloland.com/keloland-com-original/on-the-phone-off-the-road-ravnsborgs-activity-prior-to-the-crash/

Leftists expressing their racism differently from conservatives doesn't make them any less racist and it's extra tiring to keep needing to make that point

― Hello Nice FBI Lady (DJP), Friday, 26 February 2021 14:27 (two hours ago) link

so basically fuck off, xyzzz, you are a tiresome child

― Hello Nice FBI Lady (DJP), Friday, 26 February 2021 14:28 (two hours ago) link

Get fucked, Dan

are you going to run back to your slam book and whine about me now

Why would I whine in the slack when I told you where to go here?

It didn't seem to stop you before so I'm just assuming based on what I saw

^The Democratic Party in 2021 in a nutshell

By which I mean these arguments, which are painful but necessary. It’s healthy to have them.

It's also not necessary to say "liberals are just like conservatives" every time a liberal president does something you don't like. Liberals can just be bad in of themselves, without having to pretend they're the same as Trump supporters.

No one appears to have done that, though? It's the usual circlejerk that criticism of liberal capitalism or liberal imperialism necessarily implies equivalence.

I don't know what democratic socialist paradises y'all live in, but for those of us in red states with Trumpy Republican supermajorities, where the Legislature is, e.g., getting ready to pass yet another trans-bashing bill and refuses to expand Medicaid even tho/because it would help hundreds of thousands of people, the "Dems/libs are just as bad" arguments are not just stupid but kind of infuriating. No, they're fucking not.

You can criticize Biden and the Democrats all you want and still maintain the mental clarity to tell the difference.

― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra),

The three Miami-Dade congresspeople, two of whom beat Dem incumbents last November, joined the GOP minority to vote against the Equality Act. Three people who live in Miami-Dade County.