Adam Curtis take! The BBC has a £3.6 bn budget but we are only allow one solitary archivist-auteur, as a treat. Why aren't they commissioning far more in the way of efforts to make sense of the present? And not just by solitary white men of a certain age.— Dan Hind (@danhind) February 21, 2021
― xyzzzz__, Sunday, 21 February 2021 18:55 (five years ago)
Otm - we need talented filmmakers that have a go at explaining things. They needn't be academics like Tooze tho'.
― xyzzzz__, Sunday, 21 February 2021 18:56 (five years ago)
Wallace sought liberation through technology, freedom to be an individual. *ambient music plays* *shot of hallway* What he did not know was that the forces the trousers would unleash would represent only a new and more sinister form of social control. *grainy shot of penguin*— Greg Афиногенов (@athenogenes) February 21, 2021
― mark s, Sunday, 21 February 2021 19:38 (five years ago)
xp otm, its not like there isn't a history of this. the black audio film collective were making films like this long before curtis and they didn't do that annoying smug voice
― plax (ico), Sunday, 21 February 2021 19:50 (five years ago)
i feel bad now for comparing the BAC to adam curtis
― plax (ico), Sunday, 21 February 2021 19:51 (five years ago)
I've not seen a film by them, will have a look.
― xyzzzz__, Sunday, 21 February 2021 19:54 (five years ago)
mostly associated with john akromfrah now
― plax (ico), Sunday, 21 February 2021 19:58 (five years ago)
You all could've warned me the last one was 2 hours long!
― kinder, Sunday, 21 February 2021 23:10 (five years ago)
that threw me for a loop! I'll have to go back and give the last episode another shot because I fell asleep during the first hour. It felt like the last one could be a standalone documentary itself, but I didn't watch to the end.
― Mr. Cacciatore (Moodles), Sunday, 21 February 2021 23:50 (five years ago)
Exciting to be in a new world where it's impossible to even know what the acceptable Yer Boyfriend opinion on Adam Curtis is— Stefan Bielik (@prstskrzkrk) February 22, 2021
― xyzzzz__, Monday, 22 February 2021 10:31 (five years ago)
if as the writer suggests every one watched his docs as a pynchon novels without the funny names that would make sense
This feels a bit like "if as the writer suggested every one watched Scorsese mobster films as critiques of masculinity"; yes I'm sure plenty of people take Curtis docs as plain history but those ppl are being dumb, his shtick is so upfront about that not being the case.
― Daniel_Rf, Monday, 22 February 2021 15:53 (five years ago)
brings to mind Alan Sokal attempting to dissect Deleuze as unscientific
― Mr. Cacciatore (Moodles), Monday, 22 February 2021 16:05 (five years ago)
Hypernormalislandisation pic.twitter.com/bUET3o7wYD— TheIainDuncanSmiths (@TheIDSmiths) February 22, 2021
― plax (ico), Monday, 22 February 2021 18:42 (five years ago)
have been watching pandora's box after finishing can't get you out of my head and the scope is so much more limited, so there's less to complain about from an accuracy point of view. hasn't got his aesthetic down yet though, and of course there's no burial on the soundtrack
― Dusty Benelux (jim in vancouver), Monday, 22 February 2021 18:45 (five years ago)
it's very funny to me that this thing is getting any kind of mainstream discussion/attention in your country; if this showed in the US on PBS, no one would notice
― That's not really my scene (I'm 41) (forksclovetofu), Monday, 22 February 2021 19:25 (five years ago)
otoh adam curtis does get covered in prestige media in the US
― Dusty Benelux (jim in vancouver), Monday, 22 February 2021 19:36 (five years ago)
he's sort of niche famous globally isn't he? in the anglosphere anyway. and not particularly more famous in the uk than he is in say north america afaict.
― Dusty Benelux (jim in vancouver), Monday, 22 February 2021 19:39 (five years ago)
there isn't really a US equivalent that i can think of. maybe john wilson? its a very different thing that he's doing of course.
― That's not really my scene (I'm 41) (forksclovetofu), Monday, 22 February 2021 19:52 (five years ago)
Ken Burns
― Mr. Cacciatore (Moodles), Monday, 22 February 2021 19:54 (five years ago)
lol, i would love to hear a ken burns take on the adam curtis schtick
― That's not really my scene (I'm 41) (forksclovetofu), Monday, 22 February 2021 19:54 (five years ago)
montage of found images set to Appalachian fiddle music
― Mr. Cacciatore (Moodles), Monday, 22 February 2021 19:57 (five years ago)
i think although obviously they're quite difft frederick wiseman's films are far more challenging and interesting than curtis
― plax (ico), Monday, 22 February 2021 20:26 (five years ago)
there was a piece in Vice where I think Brooker interviews him, despite liking his work (not fucking Brookers, no!) I can't think of anything much more insufferable. I would probably consider him as big a tosser as Brooker if I'd have clicked on it and read it but he doesn't seem to have much interesting to say outside of his work anyway, well based on an interview I heard on WS where he was pedalling all that usual hackneyed polarisation of politics bollox beloved of most libs.
― calzino, Monday, 22 February 2021 20:43 (five years ago)
So far I think episodes 1 and 4 are best. 2 and 3 are kind of lists in search of an overarching point and 5 is all over the shop even by his standards. 1 and 4 both focus on a tendency that the left is broadly hostile towards - individualism and apolitical activism, respectively - and gives them their due, explains where they came from, while still pointing at how they can end in catastrophe.
Think you might be trapped in the same bubble I was in when I logged onto the iplayer page expecting this to be the featured item - turns out it wasn't even on the front page!
― Daniel_Rf, Tuesday, 23 February 2021 11:30 (five years ago)
It was a featured item for me, presumably because of personalisation.
― Alba, Tuesday, 23 February 2021 12:17 (five years ago)
but really the operative word here was depersonalization [segues into stars of the lid track]
― calzino, Tuesday, 23 February 2021 12:28 (five years ago)
sorry that was piss poor!
― calzino, Tuesday, 23 February 2021 12:30 (five years ago)
So far I think episodes 1 and 4 are best. 2 and 3 are kind of lists in search of an overarching point and 5 is all over the shop even by his standards.
― badg, Tuesday, 23 February 2021 17:01 (five years ago)
Yeah that's the one - lots of interesting stuff in there as usual but just moving from story to story with no sense of direction.
― Daniel_Rf, Tuesday, 23 February 2021 17:03 (five years ago)
damn, i wanna see these but i don't have a UK TV licence and don't want to get one. can you buy/rent it or something somehow?
― Party With A Jagger Ban (dog latin), Tuesday, 23 February 2021 17:41 (five years ago)
you know they don't know whether or not you use iplayer?
― himpathy with the devil (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 23 February 2021 17:43 (five years ago)
also that if the tv license man comes round you have no reason to let him in?
if you live in the UK just click "yes I have a license" on i-player, but perhaps close your curtains as a precaution if you see the tv detector van rolling past your yard!
― calzino, Tuesday, 23 February 2021 17:44 (five years ago)
or just... pay your tv license 🙄
― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 23 February 2021 17:51 (five years ago)
I thought having an internet connection means you are compelled by law to buy one, even if in the "I don't even have a television" category
― calzino, Tuesday, 23 February 2021 17:54 (five years ago)
figured they had cleverer ways to tell if you've been watching iPlayer these days, like checking if there's a TV license associated with your account, or using your IP address or something.
You don't have to have a license if you don't watcvh live or streamed BBC TV afaik.
certainly not paying for a license just to watch one show though
― Party With A Jagger Ban (dog latin), Tuesday, 23 February 2021 17:58 (five years ago)
Not sure if UK blocks this but this is how I watched it
http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLtPP_-rkrT3CAPe8OmDnlZBDvaQ7baH7B
― reggae mike love (polyphonic), Tuesday, 23 February 2021 18:05 (five years ago)
any iPlayer use requires a TV license but it’s not enforced. there is no mechanism for it.
― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 23 February 2021 18:15 (five years ago)
i would not suggest not paying the license fee if youre a habitual user of the iplayer and or someone who watches broadcast tv in the uk. if you literally want to just watch one show then i don't see any issue. although the amount of media ive consumed in my life that came from "the usual sources" probably means i have a certain stance on this kind of thing that others may not share. i also hate the license fee guys who are arseholes who go around bullying pensioners and housewives
― himpathy with the devil (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 23 February 2021 21:13 (five years ago)
I didn't pay a license fee for years and it was handy living in an upstairs flat because if it looked like a cunt knocking I simply wouldn't answer the door. I have memories as a kid of my mum pulling the curtains over and telling us all to be quiet while some cunt aggressively bangs on the door. Lol it was a vintage b+w valve tv and the license would have probably cost a few quid.
― calzino, Tuesday, 23 February 2021 21:38 (five years ago)
In America, in the early 1950sLittle Rock, PasternakBut at the same timeMickey Mantle, KerouacLittle did the people expectSputnik, Zhou En-laiSimultaneously Bridge On The River KwaiBut something else inside themLebanon, Charles de GaulleMeanwhile,California baseballFive thousand miles away,Starkweather HomicideWhat they didn't foresee wasChildren of ThalidomideAt the very same momentBuddy Holly, Ben-HurBut someone was listening:Space Monkey, MafiaBut even as one group grew strongerHula Hoops, CastroAnd at the very same timeEdsel is a no-goOne poor farmer had an idea:U-2, Syngman RheeThere would emerge a new ideaPayola and KennedyJust across the border,Chubby Checker, PsychoMeanwhileBelgians in the Congo
― John Wesley Glasscock (Hadrian VIII), Wednesday, 24 February 2021 01:31 (five years ago)
brutal
― assert (MatthewK), Wednesday, 24 February 2021 02:16 (five years ago)
Started chapter 3 tonight; gave up about 20 minutes from the end - it was going nowhere.
― but also fuck you (unperson), Wednesday, 24 February 2021 02:29 (five years ago)
Turns out it's all Cecil Sharp's fault. All the woes of the C20, down to him and his bloody folk dances.
― mahb, Wednesday, 24 February 2021 07:57 (five years ago)
fucking morris dancers eh?
― calzino, Wednesday, 24 February 2021 08:04 (five years ago)
the cecil sharp stuff was weak af - there’s plenty of interesting stuff to be said about late and long victorian arts and crafts, merrie england, and the influence of pastoral on national vision but this wasn’t a useful vector tbh.
― Fizzles, Wednesday, 24 February 2021 09:41 (five years ago)
do you ever see any Morris Dancers in London? in the pre-Rona days they descended like a nightmare plague in the Holm Valley near me every summer, possibly with the ghost of Roy Castle lagging behind in his tap shoes.
― calzino, Wednesday, 24 February 2021 09:48 (five years ago)
Cecil Sharp stuff felt like he had just read Richard King's The Lark Ascending and decided to crib a little from that. Rad book btw, recommended to everyone. There was gonna be a special concert for it at the Barbican but then co-organizer Andrew Weatherall died and after that BAM, corona. :(
― Daniel_Rf, Wednesday, 24 February 2021 11:14 (five years ago)
the last london open house i went on (a tiring and drizzly day in 2018 iirc) i ended up visiting cecil sharp house, at which i encountered
a) a small exbihition of punk rock sleeve art b) a darkling panelled room its walls stiff with large elk skulls c) being warned i couldn't stay long bcz the AGM of the morris dancing soc was just abt to start (many oldish ppl trooping, in a handful dressed as morris himself commands)
― mark s, Wednesday, 24 February 2021 11:22 (five years ago)
they shd let me make these documentaries *cues up eight hours of the crazy frog*
― mark s, Wednesday, 24 February 2021 11:27 (five years ago)