Words, usages, and phrases that annoy the shit out of you...

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It may be a specifically Air Force term - I hadn't heard of it until recently

illumi-naughty (Ye Mad Puffin), Monday, 15 February 2021 18:58 (three years ago) link

Rhonda??

Canon in Deez (silby), Monday, 15 February 2021 19:03 (three years ago) link

Reductio ad absurdum is a good one

scampsite (darraghmac), Monday, 15 February 2021 19:05 (three years ago) link

Rhonduction ad absurdum

he said that you son of a bitch (Neanderthal), Monday, 15 February 2021 19:06 (three years ago) link

ymp you may think 'postmortem' is bad but just wait until you work somewhere that wants to discuss the 'learnings' from a project i.e. things that didn't work. when you discuss these learnings please feel free to refer to the actions you might take next time as 'builds' i.e. 'um i have a couple of builds on that one' and everyone else at the table's like uh oh here we go

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Monday, 15 February 2021 21:05 (three years ago) link

You will be heartened to know i annihilated candidates for buzzwording me at interview last week

scampsite (darraghmac), Monday, 15 February 2021 21:14 (three years ago) link

where did you dispose of their remains?

sarahell, Monday, 15 February 2021 21:26 (three years ago) link

Im a midranking civil servant when i leave the room i presume someone scurries in to handle it

scampsite (darraghmac), Monday, 15 February 2021 22:17 (three years ago) link

'starter pack' as an adjective. come off it.

maelin, Monday, 15 February 2021 22:51 (three years ago) link

i annihilated candidates for buzzwording me at interview last week

I'm enormously heartened by this, as predicted.

Compromise isn't a principle, it's a method (Aimless), Monday, 15 February 2021 23:53 (three years ago) link

Okay maybe this is more a "use other words please" than an "annoy the shit out of me," but:

"That's not how this works. That's not how any of this works."

...is approaching the status of being played out like an 8-track.

illumi-naughty (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 17 February 2021 19:04 (three years ago) link

What everyone really needs to accept is that it’s horribly grating to hear anyone say anything that anyone else has ever said before

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Canon in Deez (silby), Wednesday, 17 February 2021 19:07 (three years ago) link

requoting myself mostly because I've taken to avoiding cliché like the plague coronavirus and as you can see it's difficult to do!

Canon in Deez (silby), Wednesday, 17 February 2021 19:08 (three years ago) link

people who merely say xxx is "not working", and force you to ask 700 follow-up questions to actually get any specifics as to what they mean.

this is the most useless phrase if you're having a technical issue at work, and it usually suggests to me that you actually aren't interested in solving the problem if you repeatedly use it.

if you meh them, shut up (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 17 February 2021 19:14 (three years ago) link

Yeah framing technical issues as "not working" means that you just want to complain about it and claim you're powerless at the mercy of "idiots" around you. Notice that if you ever hear someone like that tell you a story about it the support or management characters are always suspiciously unwilling to help at all.

Evan, Wednesday, 17 February 2021 19:21 (three years ago) link

I hate how often I have to say "Does that work for you?", "if that works for you," "if that works," "Would it work if," blah blah blah in work emails.

That's how you know something is good at work, if it "works".

jmm, Wednesday, 17 February 2021 19:24 (three years ago) link

"This is not what I signed on for!" = irksome

Andy the Grasshopper, Wednesday, 17 February 2021 19:26 (three years ago) link

"....if that makes sense"

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 17 February 2021 20:34 (three years ago) link

I definitely do that with students, Tracer Hand, and it bugs me that I do it.

it's like edging for your mind (the table is the table), Monday, 22 February 2021 16:34 (three years ago) link

i do that bc i'm pretty convinced most of the things i say don't make sense

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Monday, 22 February 2021 16:35 (three years ago) link

it's prob just a socially acceptable form of reflexive self-deprecation tho and i should work on using it less

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Monday, 22 February 2021 16:36 (three years ago) link

it's prob just a socially acceptable form of reflexive self-deprecation

yeah!! I do it too ... I think when I do it, I am hoping that the person(s) I am talking to will respond with either "yes, it does" so I can move on to the next step in my explanation/thought process or will tell me what specifically did not make sense, so that I can explain that piece of it. I know I definitely use this because I have a tendency to mentally jump around a bit and not think in as linear a fashion as some people ... also, my perception is: if you are talking about something that you know more about than the other person, then you are going to be more likely to make connections that they won't or move more quickly from step to step, just like walking through your own house vs. walking through someone else's house that you are less familiar with.

sarahell, Monday, 22 February 2021 17:57 (three years ago) link

Depending on how it's said and to whom, it could convey anything from consideration to condescension.

Halfway there but for you, Monday, 22 February 2021 18:11 (three years ago) link

xp lol and :( ...

sarahell, Monday, 22 February 2021 18:12 (three years ago) link

"I hope this makes sense" = preemptive self-deprecation.

"Does that make sense?" = I actually need you to confirm that we are on the same wavelength so that we can proceed.

illumi-naughty (Ye Mad Puffin), Monday, 22 February 2021 18:13 (three years ago) link

Yea for the latter I use that in training

if you meh them, shut up (Neanderthal), Monday, 22 February 2021 19:16 (three years ago) link

"Does that make sense?" = I actually need you to confirm that we are on the same wavelength so that we can proceed.

I do this with my wife, because we need to talk over things that have real importance to one another and miscommunication is v easy.

Judge Roi Behan (Aimless), Monday, 22 February 2021 19:47 (three years ago) link

what does she say

mark s, Monday, 22 February 2021 19:49 (three years ago) link

It depends on whether it made sense to her, but usually 'yes'.

Judge Roi Behan (Aimless), Monday, 22 February 2021 19:51 (three years ago) link

I really think this is related to why people say "...right?" all the time while lecturing/podcasting/whatever. In formats where your audience can't talk to you to assure you that you're making sense, you still have that instinct to ask them if they're on board before going on.

Lily Dale, Monday, 22 February 2021 20:10 (three years ago) link

I struggle with this as I teach courses that often have very tight windows of time and can't be extended, which is pushing up against the need to ensure everybody's getting it. without eyes and nobody language, I have a tendency to assume nobody understands anything I say (I have mild OCD which causes me to obsess over it to where I overexplain sometimes).

I'm afraid of asking in a way which doesn't encourage response, i.e. "any questions?". I do like to use listening questions that can't be answered in "yes/no", but not everybody is confident enough to be the first to speak up there. so sometimes I'll slip in a "does that make sense" because if it doesn't to multiple people, they'll often say so, and that gives me license to find another way to explain it (I *love* whiteboard examples for mathematic concepts in my 401(k)/pension classes).

if you meh them, shut up (Neanderthal), Monday, 22 February 2021 20:14 (three years ago) link

"i'm just conscious of time..."

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 25 February 2021 13:03 (three years ago) link

My 'quarterbacking' colleague mentioned upthread uses that one a lot. Usually seems to mean "I'm conscious of time, but I'm going to carry on waffling anyway, and set a precedent for everyone else to do the same."

I don't find 'does that make sense' annoying, really. I appreciate being asked tbh.

Something I've caught myself doing a lot lately, and it really bothers me, is using 'I don't know if...' instead 'Is there...' or 'Do you...'. As in, 'I don't know if you have those figures already so I can fill them in.' 'I don't know if you have a policy on this.' I'm not the only one either - one of the clients does this too and now that I've noticed it I can't unnotice it.

salsa shark, Thursday, 25 February 2021 14:47 (three years ago) link

"Does anybody have a hard stop at xxx?". I mean, I use it too, but I do kind of resent the idea that we view meeting ending times as "optional". like, I might not have another meeting coming up BUT I probably do need to actually do other work so if you continually go over time and smugly ask "oh does anybody have a hard stop or can we extend the meeting aimlessly for another hour", I get pissed.

I used to on principle just hang up without answering the question at the end time.

Red Nerussi (Neanderthal), Thursday, 25 February 2021 14:53 (three years ago) link

I use it after what I deem a long-winded answer to a student's question.

So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 25 February 2021 14:54 (three years ago) link

Something I've caught myself doing a lot lately, and it really bothers me, is using 'I don't know if...' instead 'Is there...' or 'Do you...'. As in, 'I don't know if you have those figures already so I can fill them in.' 'I don't know if you have a policy on this.' I'm not the only one either - one of the clients does this too and now that I've noticed it I can't unnotice it.

― salsa shark, Thursday, February 25, 2021 2:47 PM (ten minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

Mmmm this can be a really important tactic to soften a question, if you are outranked by all the people you're presenting to. In fact a number of things noted here re teaching & facilitating are actually strategies to mollify & appear positive and unthreatening to listeners.

Ima Gardener (in orbit), Thursday, 25 February 2021 15:00 (three years ago) link

Obviously ymmv and I'm sure they can all be used passive-aggressively or used in some lazy way that is annoying but they are also helpful conventions sometimes.

Ima Gardener (in orbit), Thursday, 25 February 2021 15:00 (three years ago) link

I have facilitated a lot of meetings with people I have no authority over or who outrank me and in many cases are actively hostile toward me. :/

Ima Gardener (in orbit), Thursday, 25 February 2021 15:01 (three years ago) link

^ ugh, I have bad memories like that and it reduced me to a stuttering mess.

including the director who once deliberately scheduled a meeting with me during lunch when they knew I was training (so I wouldn't be able to eat) and brought an Executive on the call to intimidate me into doing what they wanted.

Red Nerussi (Neanderthal), Thursday, 25 February 2021 15:03 (three years ago) link

Yeah it's really difficult! Maybe thread is otm and the softening tactics just make your position weaker and are less helpful than they appear but anyway, I just wanted to note that some of this stuff can be coping techniques. Carry on!

Ima Gardener (in orbit), Thursday, 25 February 2021 15:06 (three years ago) link

it's totally coping techniques. I used that and a lot of others to try and ask for what I wanted without "failing to know my place".

anything that helps get your point across works for me. I just wish the silly power dynamics didn't exist. that's why I left management years ago.

not before I made a few mortal enemies of 2 executives though, who refuse to speak to me anymore

Red Nerussi (Neanderthal), Thursday, 25 February 2021 15:09 (three years ago) link

in orbit, that is most of my work life. The position description literally includes "ability to lead without authority."

So I can't demand things, I can only try to sell people on the benefits of doing what I want. There is a lot of persuasion and negotiation and consensus-engineering involved. Reflexive self-deprecation is strategic in these instances.

"You folks are the experts, but..." "Hate to be the Meeting Tyrant, but..." "I know everyone's crazy busy, but..."

display names are for n00bs (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 25 February 2021 15:24 (three years ago) link

Oh god YMP that sounds...challenging. To one's sanity. That was the (mostly) unspoken/unacknowledged nature of my last two jobs and I don't think I could do that again.

In nonprofit spaces a "postmortem" will sometimes be called a "plus/delta" where pluses are the things that went right and deltas are suggested changes.

Ima Gardener (in orbit), Thursday, 25 February 2021 15:29 (three years ago) link

Again, very softening language that prioritizes growth & doesn't blame.

Ima Gardener (in orbit), Thursday, 25 February 2021 15:30 (three years ago) link

you mean "builds"

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 25 February 2021 15:31 (three years ago) link

"learnings"

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 25 February 2021 15:31 (three years ago) link

and yes i agree there is a good motivation behind these partic euphemisms

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 25 February 2021 15:32 (three years ago) link

OH JESUS FUCKING CHRIST

LEARNINGS

For people who can’t hold knowledge or take lessons.

scampopo (suzy), Thursday, 25 February 2021 15:33 (three years ago) link

Also sounds like it’s a German person trying to find the right word, no matter who says it.

scampopo (suzy), Thursday, 25 February 2021 15:34 (three years ago) link


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