Words, usages, and phrases that annoy the shit out of you...

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lol ok I do that one now and then but only cos half the time I forget the word "staging"

he said that you son of a bitch (Neanderthal), Monday, 15 February 2021 18:11 (five years ago)

at least you work for/with people who aspire to have the wealth and leisure time to play golf

sarahell, Monday, 15 February 2021 18:14 (five years ago)

"We should prime the canvas on this project."

jmm, Monday, 15 February 2021 18:15 (five years ago)

staging is fine. most people know what that means.

sarahell, Monday, 15 February 2021 18:17 (five years ago)

If that is the measure then idk 95% of this thread is fine tbh

scampsite (darraghmac), Monday, 15 February 2021 18:23 (five years ago)

idk it's mostly contextual in terms of the inconsistency / disjunction between who is speaking and to whom and what the context is. If you are using language that because of the audience and/or context that is unclear or requires the audience to do extra cognitive steps that really shouldn't be required ... that is the majority of what annoys me. Cognitive steps in a "punching down" type of way that I feel is part of jargon's function -- like it connotes a professionalism and higher status than the average person.

sarahell, Monday, 15 February 2021 18:24 (five years ago)

teeing up can also refer to the rather more proletarian sport of tee-ball

Or maybe I'm just drinking my own bathwater here.

There are some sharks in the water but really this is the long pole in the tent

illumi-naughty (Ye Mad Puffin), Monday, 15 February 2021 18:26 (five years ago)

heh let me circle back to you on that in a while and i'll ping you when there's a deliverable

sarahell, Monday, 15 February 2021 18:28 (five years ago)

sarahell, just make sure we answer the mail

illumi-naughty (Ye Mad Puffin), Monday, 15 February 2021 18:29 (five years ago)

Theres little that teeing up does ito punching down to the uninformed that staging doesnt also do tbh

scampsite (darraghmac), Monday, 15 February 2021 18:33 (five years ago)

imo, imo obv

scampsite (darraghmac), Monday, 15 February 2021 18:33 (five years ago)

I'm just going to let these posts marinate for a bit before I make them actionable.

We're going to need to be choiceful, going forward.

illumi-naughty (Ye Mad Puffin), Monday, 15 February 2021 18:36 (five years ago)

When I left government contracting a while back, I thought I would be free of military jargon but alas, it is not to be.

I am trying to instill "lessons learned" in lieu of "after-action" or - ugh - "hotwash."

"postmortem" is not a military metaphor but I still don't want to use it. Like, no one and nothing is dead, we're just talking about soliciting opinions on what went right v. wrong.

Unfortunately all of those terms are still in active use, even in the private sector

illumi-naughty (Ye Mad Puffin), Monday, 15 February 2021 18:40 (five years ago)

You'd think that a phrase which sounds almost like 'hogwash' wouldn't take off.

jmm, Monday, 15 February 2021 18:51 (five years ago)

It may be a specifically Air Force term - I hadn't heard of it until recently

illumi-naughty (Ye Mad Puffin), Monday, 15 February 2021 18:58 (five years ago)

Rhonda??

Canon in Deez (silby), Monday, 15 February 2021 19:03 (five years ago)

Reductio ad absurdum is a good one

scampsite (darraghmac), Monday, 15 February 2021 19:05 (five years ago)

Rhonduction ad absurdum

he said that you son of a bitch (Neanderthal), Monday, 15 February 2021 19:06 (five years ago)

ymp you may think 'postmortem' is bad but just wait until you work somewhere that wants to discuss the 'learnings' from a project i.e. things that didn't work. when you discuss these learnings please feel free to refer to the actions you might take next time as 'builds' i.e. 'um i have a couple of builds on that one' and everyone else at the table's like uh oh here we go

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Monday, 15 February 2021 21:05 (five years ago)

You will be heartened to know i annihilated candidates for buzzwording me at interview last week

scampsite (darraghmac), Monday, 15 February 2021 21:14 (five years ago)

where did you dispose of their remains?

sarahell, Monday, 15 February 2021 21:26 (five years ago)

Im a midranking civil servant when i leave the room i presume someone scurries in to handle it

scampsite (darraghmac), Monday, 15 February 2021 22:17 (five years ago)

'starter pack' as an adjective. come off it.

maelin, Monday, 15 February 2021 22:51 (five years ago)

i annihilated candidates for buzzwording me at interview last week

I'm enormously heartened by this, as predicted.

Compromise isn't a principle, it's a method (Aimless), Monday, 15 February 2021 23:53 (five years ago)

Okay maybe this is more a "use other words please" than an "annoy the shit out of me," but:

"That's not how this works. That's not how any of this works."

...is approaching the status of being played out like an 8-track.

illumi-naughty (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 17 February 2021 19:04 (five years ago)

What everyone really needs to accept is that it’s horribly grating to hear anyone say anything that anyone else has ever said before

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Canon in Deez (silby), Wednesday, 17 February 2021 19:07 (five years ago)

requoting myself mostly because I've taken to avoiding cliché like the plague coronavirus and as you can see it's difficult to do!

Canon in Deez (silby), Wednesday, 17 February 2021 19:08 (five years ago)

people who merely say xxx is "not working", and force you to ask 700 follow-up questions to actually get any specifics as to what they mean.

this is the most useless phrase if you're having a technical issue at work, and it usually suggests to me that you actually aren't interested in solving the problem if you repeatedly use it.

if you meh them, shut up (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 17 February 2021 19:14 (five years ago)

Yeah framing technical issues as "not working" means that you just want to complain about it and claim you're powerless at the mercy of "idiots" around you. Notice that if you ever hear someone like that tell you a story about it the support or management characters are always suspiciously unwilling to help at all.

Evan, Wednesday, 17 February 2021 19:21 (five years ago)

I hate how often I have to say "Does that work for you?", "if that works for you," "if that works," "Would it work if," blah blah blah in work emails.

That's how you know something is good at work, if it "works".

jmm, Wednesday, 17 February 2021 19:24 (five years ago)

"This is not what I signed on for!" = irksome

Andy the Grasshopper, Wednesday, 17 February 2021 19:26 (five years ago)

"....if that makes sense"

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 17 February 2021 20:34 (five years ago)

I definitely do that with students, Tracer Hand, and it bugs me that I do it.

it's like edging for your mind (the table is the table), Monday, 22 February 2021 16:34 (five years ago)

i do that bc i'm pretty convinced most of the things i say don't make sense

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Monday, 22 February 2021 16:35 (five years ago)

it's prob just a socially acceptable form of reflexive self-deprecation tho and i should work on using it less

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Monday, 22 February 2021 16:36 (five years ago)

it's prob just a socially acceptable form of reflexive self-deprecation

yeah!! I do it too ... I think when I do it, I am hoping that the person(s) I am talking to will respond with either "yes, it does" so I can move on to the next step in my explanation/thought process or will tell me what specifically did not make sense, so that I can explain that piece of it. I know I definitely use this because I have a tendency to mentally jump around a bit and not think in as linear a fashion as some people ... also, my perception is: if you are talking about something that you know more about than the other person, then you are going to be more likely to make connections that they won't or move more quickly from step to step, just like walking through your own house vs. walking through someone else's house that you are less familiar with.

sarahell, Monday, 22 February 2021 17:57 (five years ago)

Depending on how it's said and to whom, it could convey anything from consideration to condescension.

Halfway there but for you, Monday, 22 February 2021 18:11 (five years ago)

xp lol and :( ...

sarahell, Monday, 22 February 2021 18:12 (five years ago)

"I hope this makes sense" = preemptive self-deprecation.

"Does that make sense?" = I actually need you to confirm that we are on the same wavelength so that we can proceed.

illumi-naughty (Ye Mad Puffin), Monday, 22 February 2021 18:13 (five years ago)

Yea for the latter I use that in training

if you meh them, shut up (Neanderthal), Monday, 22 February 2021 19:16 (five years ago)

"Does that make sense?" = I actually need you to confirm that we are on the same wavelength so that we can proceed.

I do this with my wife, because we need to talk over things that have real importance to one another and miscommunication is v easy.

Judge Roi Behan (Aimless), Monday, 22 February 2021 19:47 (five years ago)

what does she say

mark s, Monday, 22 February 2021 19:49 (five years ago)

It depends on whether it made sense to her, but usually 'yes'.

Judge Roi Behan (Aimless), Monday, 22 February 2021 19:51 (five years ago)

I really think this is related to why people say "...right?" all the time while lecturing/podcasting/whatever. In formats where your audience can't talk to you to assure you that you're making sense, you still have that instinct to ask them if they're on board before going on.

Lily Dale, Monday, 22 February 2021 20:10 (five years ago)

I struggle with this as I teach courses that often have very tight windows of time and can't be extended, which is pushing up against the need to ensure everybody's getting it. without eyes and nobody language, I have a tendency to assume nobody understands anything I say (I have mild OCD which causes me to obsess over it to where I overexplain sometimes).

I'm afraid of asking in a way which doesn't encourage response, i.e. "any questions?". I do like to use listening questions that can't be answered in "yes/no", but not everybody is confident enough to be the first to speak up there. so sometimes I'll slip in a "does that make sense" because if it doesn't to multiple people, they'll often say so, and that gives me license to find another way to explain it (I *love* whiteboard examples for mathematic concepts in my 401(k)/pension classes).

if you meh them, shut up (Neanderthal), Monday, 22 February 2021 20:14 (five years ago)

"i'm just conscious of time..."

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 25 February 2021 13:03 (five years ago)

My 'quarterbacking' colleague mentioned upthread uses that one a lot. Usually seems to mean "I'm conscious of time, but I'm going to carry on waffling anyway, and set a precedent for everyone else to do the same."

I don't find 'does that make sense' annoying, really. I appreciate being asked tbh.

Something I've caught myself doing a lot lately, and it really bothers me, is using 'I don't know if...' instead 'Is there...' or 'Do you...'. As in, 'I don't know if you have those figures already so I can fill them in.' 'I don't know if you have a policy on this.' I'm not the only one either - one of the clients does this too and now that I've noticed it I can't unnotice it.

salsa shark, Thursday, 25 February 2021 14:47 (five years ago)

"Does anybody have a hard stop at xxx?". I mean, I use it too, but I do kind of resent the idea that we view meeting ending times as "optional". like, I might not have another meeting coming up BUT I probably do need to actually do other work so if you continually go over time and smugly ask "oh does anybody have a hard stop or can we extend the meeting aimlessly for another hour", I get pissed.

I used to on principle just hang up without answering the question at the end time.

Red Nerussi (Neanderthal), Thursday, 25 February 2021 14:53 (five years ago)

I use it after what I deem a long-winded answer to a student's question.

So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 25 February 2021 14:54 (five years ago)


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