The Jordan Peterson Thread

what were the other books. is there one peterson stan in the club pushing this or is it even worse

I got so depressed seeing multiple copies of that book proudly displayed in a smiths bestseller window display a while back, alongside a couple of other right wing/anti-PC hits I can't remember- like oh shit this is mainstream now. his complete implosion since then is a very small consolation

Peterson and Avocado Wolfe need to participate in a Hindenburg re-enactmemt

the thing is i don't even know who is in the book club. this is the first time i've gotten the email. it may be a thing that they were doing irl and only just started again with everyone working from home. i started the job in june so i don't know anyone or anything. the survey was just the list of three books:

rules for life
You Are a Badass by Jen Sincero
The Silent Patient by Alex Michaelide

i don't know what those last two are but i am never reading a book called you are a badass. maybe it's some type of epic girlboss book, like a book about sheryl sandberg.

The #1 New York Times Bestseller You Are A Badass is the self-help book for people who desperately want to improve their lives but don't want to get busted doing it.

In this refreshingly entertaining how-to guide, #1 New York Times Bestselling Author and world-traveling success coach, Jen Sincero, serves up 27 bite-sized chapters full of hilariously inspiring stories, sage advice, easy exercises, and the occasional swear word. If you're ready to make some serious changes around here, You Are a Badass will help you: Identify and change the self-sabotaging beliefs and behaviors that stop you from getting what you want, blast past your fears so you can take big exciting risks, figure out how to make some damn money already, learn to love yourself and others, set big goals and reach them - it will basically show you how to create a life you totally love, and how to create it now.

By the end of You Are a Badass, you'll understand why you are how you are, how to love what you can't change, how to change what you don't love, and how to use The Force to kick some serious ass.

The author of You Are a Badass describes herself as a 'motivational cattle prod'. Freudian slip?

The last one appears to be a psychological thriller in the Gone Girl mode, probably bad but the least likely to cause despair.

people on goodreads seem to hate you are a badass

i would just not be in a work book club. i had to be in a mandatory one once where the book was some pop sociology crap by disgraced journalist johann hari

there's like no way to enjoy reading these horrible books its too much to hate read

i just read an online synopsis but everybody else seemed to really enjoy reading them

“You are perfect. To think anything less is as pointless as a river thinking that it’s got too many curves or that it moves too slowly or that its rapids are too rapid. Says who? You’re on a journey with no defined beginning, middle or end. There are no wrong twists and turns. There is just being. And your job is to be as you as you can be. This is why you’re here. To shy away from who you truly are would leave the world you-less. You are the only you there is and ever will be. I repeat, you are the only you there is and ever will be. Do not deny the world its one and only chance to bask in your brilliance.”

https://www.goodreads.com/work/quotes/21585451-you-are-a-badass-how-to-stop-doubting-your-greatness-and-start-living-a

oh believe me i will not be joining this club lol

lol wtf xp

Sounds like a book-length pep talk for wounded narcissists.

I lol'd @ 'There’s nothing as unstoppable as a freight train full of fuck-yeah.'

maybe suggest a book club project where you do a Burroughs-style cut-up of both 12 Rules For Life and You Are A Badass.

i would just not be in a work book club. i had to be in a mandatory one once where the book was some pop sociology crap by disgraced journalist johann hari

You Are A Badass sounds slightly cultish.

It's also a remarkable distillation of American voluntarism.

in category "worst nightmares", "work book club" is definitely an answer for $800

I mean at least Jordan Peterson tells you to clean your room, which is useful advice

................ is it though

work book clubs are good when they are marxist reading circles that make the boss nervous

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I mean at least Jordan Peterson tells you to clean your room, which is useful advice

Well, he's just saying you could

FWIW, you can get all of the benefit of Jordan Peterson and more with none of the toxicity from books like The Power of Habit

“YOUR BRAIN IS YOUR BITCH”
― Jen Sincero, You Are a Badass: How to Stop Doubting Your Greatness and Start Living an Awesome Life

FWIW, you can get all of the benefit of Jordan Peterson and more with none of the toxicity from books like The Power of Habit

it’d be a better use of people’s time examining why they are more willing to hear it from someone peddling conservative Christianity fascism as self-help rather than, idk, their mothers

from what i gather from his defenders, his key point is that people need to accept the fact that life is painful and that the only way out of the bind is by accepting responsibility, making your life into something meaningful. this is not bad advice at all and for some readers it might seem like an important corrective to most self-help, which is often about wish fulfillment/law of attraction. but yeah, it's not like this is a new idea either -- it's ancient, conventional wisdom. instead of peterson, people should read viktor frankl imo

he is (was) a patriarchal father power figure like trump that's the whole of his appeal

the self-help seems like a trojan horse for the politics, which don't actually follow from his premises at all.

well, they do, because it's all individualistic bs

this all reminds me of when a (male) scam artist CEO I used to work for walked into an all hands meeting and strongly suggested we all read something called Girl, Wash Your Face

work book clubs are good when they are marxist reading circles that make the boss nervous

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i know you're probably just expressing a hypothetical but if you have actually had this experience please share lol

brb populating all my linkedin info with marxist references

the self-help seems like a trojan horse for the politics

I actually disagree, I think the politics are a Trojan horse for extremely normie mainstream self-help stuff, conveying it to an audience predisposed to think that's girly shit

But I also think the politics are sincerely held by JP and are very bad!

as far as I can tell his 15 minutes started with the politics. that's what attracted his shithead fans in the first place

this isn't the thread for it i am increasingly convinced that "success in life / work" or whatever is defined by how much you can be the exact opposite of the kind of psycho described in these books.

_the self-help seems like a trojan horse for the politics_

I actually disagree, I think the politics are a Trojan horse for extremely normie mainstream self-help stuff, conveying it to an audience predisposed to think that's girly shit

when people say they've benefited from reading him, they're talking about his stuff about embracing responsibility and personal. they're not talking about the hysterical reactionary jeremiads, ya know. he gets attention from the politics, but then he hooks people with the self-help, and then these are the people who are actually convinced of the politics

stop making excuses for fascists

If you’re selling it that way, misogyny is part of the package. Not sure how else to convey this. It’s no mystery why he has the audience he does.

two trojan horses, working hand in hand -- hoof in hoof -- at regular intervals, this is what i am envisioning

he's a fascist who attracts kiddie fascists with fascism it's literally that simple

when people say they've benefited from reading him they're beyond help, self or otherwise

misogyny is a huge part of his package, of course. he associates "chaos" with "the feminine." but you wouldn't need to do that to accept the main thing his defenders say they like about him, which is that he taught them to reject fantasy and embrace the everyday struggles that constitute an actual human life. the latter point can be made on its own, and has, by other, better people. and it's a little different than what you get in most self-help.

none of this is about excuses