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Some bad news. It seems the AstraZeneca vaccine was not effective at preventing cases of the South African variant in a new study.

In the AstraZeneca-Oxford trial in South Africa, roughly 2,000 participants were given either two doses of the vaccine or placebo shots.

There was virtually no difference in the numbers of people in the vaccine and placebo groups who were infected with B.1.351, suggesting that the vaccine did little to protect against the new variant. Nineteen of the 748 people in the group that was given the vaccine were infected with the new variant, compared to 20 out of 714 people in the group that was given a placebo.

That equates to a vaccine efficacy of 10 percent, though the scientists did not have enough statistical confidence to know for sure whether that figure would hold among more people.

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2021/02/07/world/covid-19-coronavirus

o. nate, Sunday, 7 February 2021 23:03 (five years ago)

the scientists did not have enough statistical confidence to know for sure whether that figure would hold among more people.

no kidding. i mean it makes sense that SA might switch to another vaccine out of an abundance of caution, but the reporting about this has been pretty irresponsible (incl. the NYT)

Here is the key slide from the South Africa variant press conference. Note that confidence interval extends from -50% to +60%, w/ a 22% estimate.

42 cases. pic.twitter.com/gH2sLOljqt

— Matthew Herper (@matthewherper) February 7, 2021

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Sunday, 7 February 2021 23:26 (five years ago)

I thought this was good at explaining the likely outcome re vaccines and why we shouldn’t panic over these variants.

It’s a small study so the efficacy estimate is very imprecise ie inconclusive. It’s also looking at mild and moderate outcomes only, not what we really care about. Good basic explanation of that herehttps://t.co/2jkdbk1S04

— Aaron Richterman, MD (@AaronRichterman) February 7, 2021

thread this is from also worth a read

scampless, rattled and puce (gyac), Monday, 8 February 2021 00:42 (five years ago)

Right. That study doesn’t tell us not to worry. But it doesn’t particularly tell us to worry either.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Monday, 8 February 2021 01:08 (five years ago)



On first glance, those numbers are startling, and they suggest that the B.1.351 variant rendered the otherwise effective vaccine nearly useless. But, with a closer look, those numbers are almost uninterpretable. The trial was just too small to produce statistically solid results. Thus, each efficacy calculation has huge confidence intervals. For instance, the vaccine’s ending efficacy of 22 percent—based on a total of 42 coronavirus infections in the trial—had a plausible estimate range of between -50 percent effective and 60 percent effective.



https://arstechnica.com/science/2021/02/scary-22-vaccine-efficacy-in-south-africa-comes-with-heaps-of-caveats/

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Tuesday, 9 February 2021 01:55 (five years ago)

Thrilled to learn my folks will get their first shots this week.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 9 February 2021 04:40 (five years ago)

I've been feeling pretty negative lately long-term--that these variants are going to bring everything to a halt again in two months--but that NYT piece just above is fairly encouraging.

clemenza, Tuesday, 9 February 2021 04:53 (five years ago)

15m people in front of me in the uk queue, but that's down from 17m last week

koogs, Tuesday, 9 February 2021 09:41 (five years ago)

I've been feeling pretty negative lately long-term--that these variants are going to bring everything to a halt again in two months--but that NYT piece just above is fairly encouraging.

Yeah, although (take a deep breath) I'm still predicting lockdown ease in a couple of months followed by cases surge again resulting in another lockdown but probably not as serious as previous ones and I'm sure we're seeing a dillution in serious infections now due to vaccines, but still life being disrupted in some way for the rest of the year maybe. (uk perspective)

Two Meter Peter (Ste), Tuesday, 9 February 2021 09:46 (five years ago)

15m people in front of me in the uk queue, but that's down from 17m last week

― koogs, Tuesday, 9 February 2021 09:41 (forty-three minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

that's a lot of politely shuffling forward

The Man DeLorean (onimo), Tuesday, 9 February 2021 10:26 (five years ago)

My folks got their first shot on Saturday. Woo!

meticulously crafted, socially responsible, morally upsta (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 9 February 2021 10:47 (five years ago)

it doesn't even require variants to bring everything to a halt again. everything should be at a halt already. governments keep opening shit up when infections are higher than previously required lockdown.

shivers me timber (sic), Tuesday, 9 February 2021 10:53 (five years ago)

I feel like opening indoor seating at restaurants in Chicago, for up to groups of 10(!) is going to put us back in a terrible position by late March.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 9 February 2021 14:38 (five years ago)

You feel that about everything

scampless, rattled and puce (gyac), Tuesday, 9 February 2021 14:42 (five years ago)

Despite my admittedly over the top fretting about the vaccine roll-out, I think it's valid to think we aren't ready to be seating groups of 10 in restaurants yet. I don't think that's ridiculous to think, but I guess it's easier to just shit on me in multiple threads.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 9 February 2021 14:43 (five years ago)

Serves me right for not finishing that sentence. Indoor dining is a stupid idea, yes.

scampless, rattled and puce (gyac), Tuesday, 9 February 2021 14:46 (five years ago)

Pretty sure I only eyerolled at you in this one.

scampless, rattled and puce (gyac), Tuesday, 9 February 2021 14:46 (five years ago)

Just came from having my part one - apparently I’m in a priority group because I had cancer as a child?

scampopo (suzy), Tuesday, 9 February 2021 16:01 (five years ago)

💃🏻💃🏻💃🏻

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 9 February 2021 17:03 (five years ago)

just found out my folks are finally in line to get their first shots tomorrow, huge relief on my psyche

underminer of twenty years of excellent contribution to this borad (dan m), Tuesday, 9 February 2021 18:04 (five years ago)

great news Ned, Alfred, suzy, and dan! glad to hear more ilxors and/or ilxor family members getting shots.

he said that you son of a bitch (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 9 February 2021 18:48 (five years ago)

(thank god I caught the typo before I sent that)

he said that you son of a bitch (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 9 February 2021 18:48 (five years ago)

"Thanks, but they prefer pants to shorts."

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 9 February 2021 18:50 (five years ago)

my folks (mom and stepdad + dad) have all at least gotten their first shots and are scheduled for their second next week. it's pretty cool

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Tuesday, 9 February 2021 18:53 (five years ago)

woohoo!!!

he said that you son of a bitch (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 9 February 2021 18:56 (five years ago)

USA rolling 7-day average deaths per day dropped under 3,000 for the first time since January 8th (32 days ago):

https://i.imgur.com/2Ym5n3G.png

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Wednesday, 10 February 2021 05:12 (five years ago)

3,265 people died today, which is... staggering.

USA should pass 500k deaths ~Feb 17th. Half of USA COVID deaths occurred in the past three months between Nov 17 - Feb 17.

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Wednesday, 10 February 2021 05:17 (five years ago)

Good long read on the school dilemma.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/10/magazine/school-reopenings-rhode-island.html

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Wednesday, 10 February 2021 14:35 (five years ago)

Yeah, this quagmire becomes less psychically burdensome as the people in my life are getting their jabs. My mom and my gf's parents have all had their first, and we each have a brother in the medical field who's received both.

Vladislav Bibidonurtmi (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 10 February 2021 14:46 (five years ago)

I agree with that, but I’d go (not that much) further and say every drug is a global public good and none should have patent protection

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 10 February 2021 15:53 (five years ago)

^^^^

The return of our beloved potatoes (the table is the table), Wednesday, 10 February 2021 15:58 (five years ago)

otm.

he said that you son of a bitch (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 10 February 2021 16:07 (five years ago)

combine that with full public funding of drug research and I'd be 100% in favor. Also think it would lead to more efficiency in targeting of research toward the most serious and needed areas. Could still allow private companies to deal with more discretionary/lower risk issues.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Wednesday, 10 February 2021 16:15 (five years ago)

no private companies would do research without gaining a patent and profit motivation, is the argument that always gets made

Nhex, Wednesday, 10 February 2021 16:18 (five years ago)

BREAKING: World Health Organisation (WHO) has recommended Oxford vaccine for over-65s.

— sarahknapton (@sarahknapton) February 10, 2021

scampless, rattled and puce (gyac), Wednesday, 10 February 2021 16:42 (five years ago)

agree with others here that it's not just for the rona that we need to end drug patents, but this would be a start.

All cars are bad (Euler), Wednesday, 10 February 2021 16:49 (five years ago)

no private companies would do research without gaining a patent and profit motivation, is the argument that always gets made

― Nhex, Wednesday, February 10, 2021 11:18 AM (thirty minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

I mean, this is probably true, which is why I said public funding of research. The flipside of the profit motive is that lots of wasteful research gets done, e.g. the development of drugs that are only slight variations on the drug whose patent is about to expire.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Wednesday, 10 February 2021 16:49 (five years ago)

There are these things called the NIH and CDC and whatnot

Nessun doormat (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 10 February 2021 16:57 (five years ago)

moderna was paid for up front with public money. can’t wait to hear a pharma rep explain why this was actually bad and has led to bad outcomes

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 10 February 2021 16:58 (five years ago)

Some good news

GOOD NEWS ALERT: Some tentative evidence in the data that the UK #COVID19 vaccination programme is working.
Case fatality rate for over 80s is down over 30% since early Jan.
CFR for under-80s by contrast down 8%
Based on research from @danielhowdon et al.
More on @skynews tonight pic.twitter.com/1736WQbEEZ

— Ed Conway (@EdConwaySky) February 10, 2021

scampless, rattled and puce (gyac), Wednesday, 10 February 2021 18:33 (five years ago)

nice.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Wednesday, 10 February 2021 18:35 (five years ago)

I wrote about the kafkaesque experience of navigating grief during a global pandemic for @LRB https://t.co/PFpm9gJfzP

— No-One (@judeinlondon2) February 11, 2021

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 11 February 2021 21:43 (five years ago)

This sounds promising: https://www.yahoo.com/news/israeli-drug-substantially-alleviates-serious-193541719.html

DJI, Thursday, 11 February 2021 22:13 (five years ago)

The drug, Allocetra, treats the extreme overreaction of the body's immune system seen in some severe coronavirus patients, which can sometimes lead to organ failure and death. The phenomenon is known as a "cytokine" storm.

Yes. This is good. The "cytokine" storm phenomenon happens with more diseases than covid-19, but sadly the article doesn't address whether this drug is specific to covid-19 or able to treat patients suffering a "cytokine" storm prompted by other pathogens.

Compromise isn't a principle, it's a method (Aimless), Thursday, 11 February 2021 22:18 (five years ago)

couple of my friends got into the Novovax trial tht started here today, my bro just missed out :(

2 of 3 get the real vaccine, with an opportunity to get later for the other 1/3rd.

interested in that one as they're the one where they think it might actually prevent transmission.

he said that you son of a bitch (Neanderthal), Thursday, 11 February 2021 22:20 (five years ago)

Meanwhile, Neil Tennant's safe!

meticulously crafted, socially responsible, morally upsta (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 11 February 2021 22:24 (five years ago)

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/pet-shop-boys-neil-tennant-181224480.html

meticulously crafted, socially responsible, morally upsta (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 11 February 2021 22:24 (five years ago)

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/538523-biden-says-us-will-have-enough-doses-to-vaccinate-every-american-by-july?

he said that you son of a bitch (Neanderthal), Thursday, 11 February 2021 22:36 (five years ago)

Microchips for all!

Mr. Cacciatore (Moodles), Thursday, 11 February 2021 22:52 (five years ago)


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