“It’s a little too quiet” - US Politics February 2021

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the romney plan sounds uh, pretty dope???

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 4 February 2021 16:06 (five years ago)

It depends on the trade-offs with all of the things it would replace. In principle a monthly payment is a good idea, but the amount versus what it would take away is key.

a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 4 February 2021 16:10 (five years ago)

Mormons have lots of kids.

Mosholu Porkway (Boring, Maryland), Thursday, 4 February 2021 16:11 (five years ago)

yeah I’d like to see what Romney wants in return. but it is pretty remarkable that someone in that party is even talking about this stuff in 2021

Washington Generals D-League affiliate (will), Thursday, 4 February 2021 16:12 (five years ago)

Romney's angling to primary Biden

Fetchboy, Thursday, 4 February 2021 16:21 (five years ago)

Mormons have lots of kids.

― Mosholu Porkway (Boring, Maryland), Thursday, February 4, 2021 4:11 PM (three minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

this is part of it. sorry to get insular-mormon-tea-leaves but i do think it has quite a bit of effect on what mitt will get behind. mormons are incredibly racist but unconscious about it so they love "personal responsibility" republicanism. but when it comes to the nuclear family they will go full socialist no problem, it's in their history.

xp i don't see romney switching parties.

Joses Chrust (map), Thursday, 4 February 2021 16:22 (five years ago)

he is very ambitious though, so maybe.

Joses Chrust (map), Thursday, 4 February 2021 16:22 (five years ago)

like all of this, romney, whatever the $1400 thing turns out to be, it's all very healthy and good to me, just that the concept of the government directly supporting people with actual money payments

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 4 February 2021 16:34 (five years ago)

watching him debase himself in 2012 for tea parties (“man-made claimed change boy? I just don’t know”-(paraphrased)) pretty much put him in the never-to-be-trusted box

also a walking avatar for vampire capitalism—thanks for that one Newt!

Washington Generals D-League affiliate (will), Thursday, 4 February 2021 16:38 (five years ago)

buT hE PioNeEreD oBamACaRe

Fetchboy, Thursday, 4 February 2021 16:42 (five years ago)

from now on, i'm no longer judging politicians by their principles or who they are as a person or whatever bullshit, just how much money they personally send me

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 4 February 2021 16:44 (five years ago)

j/k obv but still i'll take 350 from mitt

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 4 February 2021 16:44 (five years ago)

vote for the democrat, they'll give you 500

(meaning 150 on top of what mitt will give you)

Karl Malone, Thursday, 4 February 2021 16:45 (five years ago)

i'd like to have everyone's best offer on the table by close of day

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 4 February 2021 16:49 (five years ago)

yeah I’d like to see what Romney wants in return. but it is pretty remarkable that someone in that party is even talking about this stuff in 2021

― Washington Generals D-League affiliate (will), Thursday, February 4, 2021 11:12 AM (forty minutes ago)

does it matter what he wants in return? incorporate it into the stimulus package and pass it with or without his support!

k3vin k., Thursday, 4 February 2021 16:56 (five years ago)

otm

he said that you son of a bitch (Neanderthal), Thursday, 4 February 2021 17:00 (five years ago)

does it matter what he wants in return? incorporate it into the stimulus package and pass it with or without his support!


agreed! I guess we’ll see how it shakes out

Washington Generals D-League affiliate (will), Thursday, 4 February 2021 17:02 (five years ago)

yeah I’d like to see what Romney wants in return. but it is pretty remarkable that someone in that party is even talking about this stuff in 2021

― Washington Generals D-League affiliate (will), Thursday, February 4, 2021 11:12 AM (fifty-three minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

Unlike Democrats’ plan, Romney’s Family Security Act would be paid for, in part, by eliminating Temporary Assistance for Needy Families, a welfare program, as well as other existing federal tax credits for children and working families. Many Democrats are likely to oppose this part of Romney’s plan.

does it matter what he wants in return? incorporate it into the stimulus package and pass it with or without his support!

― k3vin k., Thursday, February 4, 2021 11:56 AM (eight minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

cash per-child monthly payments are already in the stimulus package. he's proposing slightly larger $ amounts than are currently in the package, paid for by cancelling other programs. i have no idea if this is a good trade.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 4 February 2021 17:07 (five years ago)

hmmm had to be catch, shitty

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 4 February 2021 17:09 (five years ago)

Romney’s proposal would provide $4,200 per year for every child up to the age of 6, as well as $3,000 per year for every child age 6 to 17. Senior Democrats are currently drafting legislation as part of their $1.9 trillion stimulus proposal that would provide $3,600 per year for every child up to the age of 6, as well as $3,000 for every child aged 6 to 17.

romney's proposal is for $50/month more for kids under 6. not nothing, and significant that > 0 republicans support the principle of near universal cash benefits. iirc there are a couple of others who support it, and not traditionally moderate ones either. slightly nervous that they support it in an fascist kindergeld sense, but what are you going to do, am i right?!

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 4 February 2021 17:10 (five years ago)

I'm gonna assume "Shitty" is your nickname for Mitt, m@tt

Hello Nice FBI Lady (DJP), Thursday, 4 February 2021 17:10 (five years ago)

i used to get our child benefit as pocket money back in the old country. extremely good deal. i used it to stimulate my local economy (sweets, football magazines, eventually hard lemonade, etc.)

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 4 February 2021 17:11 (five years ago)

this is part of it. sorry to get insular-mormon-tea-leaves but i do think it has quite a bit of effect on what mitt will get behind. mormons are incredibly racist but unconscious about it so they love "personal responsibility" republicanism. but when it comes to the nuclear family they will go full socialist no problem, it's in their history.

yeah i think nominally libertarian mike lee (utah) is on record as supporting something like this too.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 4 February 2021 17:13 (five years ago)

$$$H1ttY MiTTy NBA's last mixtape was pretty great

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 4 February 2021 17:13 (five years ago)

xp caek: according to bruenig even accounting for these tradeoffs it's a better deal

https://www.peoplespolicyproject.org/2021/02/04/romneys-child-allowance-improves-on-biden-proposal/

k3vin k., Thursday, 4 February 2021 17:14 (five years ago)

xp lead single "Never Lay Down (I Laid Down)"

That's not really my scene (I'm 41) (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 4 February 2021 17:14 (five years ago)

Unlike the other proposals currently floating around in the discourse, Romney lays out a specific set of payfors that also rationalize the child benefit system to some degree. It is these proposals, which are presented separately from the benefit, that are likely to draw the ire of organizations like Center on Budget and Policy Priorities and the Democratic politicians that they influence.

The controversial payfors are:

Eliminate the State and Local Tax Deduction (SALT).
Eliminate the Child and Dependent Care Tax Credit (CDCTC).
Eliminate the Head of Household (HoH) filing status.
Convert the Earned Income Tax Credit (EITC) into a child-agnostic benefit that has a maximum benefit of $1,000 for single filers and $2,000 for married filers.
Eliminate the federal block grant for Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF).
The first item, eliminating the SALT deduction, would raise taxes on rich people, which is actually good. But Democrats like the SALT deduction because it disproportionately directs money to their districts and states, which makes it controversial.

Items (2) and (3) are reasonable ways to rationalize the current system as part of implementing a child allowance program. Indeed, I advocated for both of them in my Family Fun Pack paper released in 2019. The CDCTC is a mess of a trapezoid program that excludes the poor. The HoH filing status also excludes the poor and provides tax relief that is directly proportional to how much income someone has, meaning that it provides more to high-earners than middle-earners. Cutting these policies and moving their savings into the child allowance pot makes good sense, distributively speaking.

Item (4) is where things start to get a little tricky. Under the Romney proposal, a single mother with one child at the peak of the EITC plateau would receive $1,000 from the EITC and $4,200 (if their child is under 6) or $3,000 (if their child is over 5) from the child allowance. Under our current system, that same parent would be eligible for a combined $5,420 (in 2021) from the EITC and the CTC. This is $220 more than in the younger-child scenario and $1,420 more than in the older-child scenario.

For the younger-child scenario, the fact that the current tax credits only have 78 percent participation, do not pay out monthly, and only arrive at the beginning of the subsequent year means that the Romney proposal is still better on average, even at this sweet spot in the tax credit distribution.

For the older-child scenario, it gets dicier. Technically, if you account for the 78 percent participation rate in tax credit programs, the average gap between the current system and the Romney proposal for the older-child scenario is $448, not $1,420. Is getting paid monthly and not having to wait until the end of the year worth $448? That’s tough to say. But even if you think it is not, whatever dollar gap that remains for this particular family is overwhelmed by the fact that in the Romney scheme the poorest of the poor get the full child allowance while in our current system they get nothing.

In general, I think Romney would be wise to either up the EITC amount for single filers (in the Family Fun Pack paper, it is set at $2,000) or make it so that the younger-child benefit is extended to all children (as in my more recent child benefit paper).

Item (5) is the one that will generate the most ire though that ire is likely to be the most overblown. TANF is the program that replaced Aid to Families with Dependent Children (AFDC) after the 1996 welfare reform. In 1997, the federal government allocated $16.5 billion to this block grant program. In 2019, it allocated the exact same amount of money, which was worth 40 percent less than in 1997 in inflation-adjusted terms. Over that same period, the share of TANF block grants that went out as cash assistance to poor families with children declined from 71 percent to 21 percent. Taken together, this means that federal spending on TANF cash assistance has fallen by 82 percent since 1997. In 2019, it was only $3.5 billion. For comparison, food stamp benefits in 2019 totaled $55 billion.

Put simply, TANF is a completely hollowed-out program that has been on a decades long death march that nobody has had any success reversing. States loot the ever-shrinking pot of money for other uses rather than pay it out to families and almost nobody who is theoretically eligible for TANF based on their income actually gets it.

Given all of this, it remains true that the Romney plan would be better for poverty even if you also eliminated the federal support for TANF (in the plan, state support, which is where the majority of TANF funding comes from, remains). But it is precisely because TANF is in a death spiral that it seems weird to target it in this way. You don’t need to kill TANF. It is killing itself.

Conclusion
Based on the benefit design alone, it’s clear that Romney’s proposal, due to its generosity and administrative simplicity, is an improvement on the Biden proposal. Bringing in these payfors makes it closer, but the Romney proposal still edges the Biden proposal out. Democrats should of course be supporting a universal child benefit proposal like the one I have outlined. But short of that, they would be wise to use the Romney proposal as a starting point and then build from there. It provides a much more solid foundation than the American Family Act that Democrats have been using and any unsavory payfors are easily swapped out as the benefit is actually not very expensive.

k3vin k., Thursday, 4 February 2021 17:15 (five years ago)

good enough for me

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 4 February 2021 17:19 (five years ago)

IMO eliminate money and give us a week andjust let us take all the stuff we need.

he said that you son of a bitch (Neanderthal), Thursday, 4 February 2021 17:30 (five years ago)

quoth the nyt

The extremist wing of the Republican Party has lived to fight another day. But G.O.P. leaders are in knots trying to prove that the party’s factions can all live in harmony.

i guess "racist antidemocracy wing" didn't get past legal?

That's not really my scene (I'm 41) (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 4 February 2021 17:31 (five years ago)

looking forward to several decades of republican party is in disarray stories

Mr. Cacciatore (Moodles), Thursday, 4 February 2021 17:40 (five years ago)

The GOP is a big tent; plenty of room for both country-clubbers and organic shaman.

Andy the Grasshopper, Thursday, 4 February 2021 17:42 (five years ago)

VIP section of tent for unmasked racists.

meticulously crafted, socially responsible, morally upsta (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 4 February 2021 17:43 (five years ago)

lol MGT talking about how she voted for Trump to fix the deficit

(•̪●) (carne asada), Thursday, 4 February 2021 17:49 (five years ago)

mtg whatever

(•̪●) (carne asada), Thursday, 4 February 2021 17:49 (five years ago)

MGMT

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 4 February 2021 17:50 (five years ago)

MDMA
MOMA
MSG

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 4 February 2021 17:50 (five years ago)

she was allowed to believe these lies! it's not her fault you

(•̪●) (carne asada), Thursday, 4 February 2021 17:52 (five years ago)

Heh, the WaPo referred to it as "Greene-House gas."

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 4 February 2021 17:53 (five years ago)

lol wtf she talking about

(•̪●) (carne asada), Thursday, 4 February 2021 17:53 (five years ago)

I hope she cries, and then dies.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 4 February 2021 17:54 (five years ago)

What a loon.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 4 February 2021 17:55 (five years ago)

Jesus died so she could could do this

(•̪●) (carne asada), Thursday, 4 February 2021 17:55 (five years ago)

Jesus rolling over in his grave.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 4 February 2021 17:56 (five years ago)

and he forgives her because she loves him a ton and also don't abort babby

(•̪●) (carne asada), Thursday, 4 February 2021 17:56 (five years ago)

I'm torn between: A) Exposing MTG for being a kooky nutjob conspiracy believer; or B) Completely ignoring and marginalizing MTG as a kooky nutjob conspiracy believer.

Is the media giving her far too much attention? Wouldn't we be better served if she was eating alone in the House cafeteria? She's not that far different from a LaRouche supporter on a street corner, displaying a poster of Obama wearing a hitler mustache.

Andy the Grasshopper, Thursday, 4 February 2021 17:58 (five years ago)

did someone already share the tweet from the atlanta guy who said Tay-Tay G used to come in the WholeFoods where he used to work and yell at the meat guy for slicing her ham wrong?

Washington Generals D-League affiliate (will), Thursday, 4 February 2021 17:59 (five years ago)

haha yes

Überschadenfreude (sleeve), Thursday, 4 February 2021 18:00 (five years ago)

thinly slices ham is the best ham! she want a ham steak or something?

(•̪●) (carne asada), Thursday, 4 February 2021 18:00 (five years ago)

Ham steak is delicious, tbf.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 4 February 2021 18:01 (five years ago)


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