i think it was undone by the expectedly awkward handling of Alex due to having to fire Cas Anvar. a lot of it felt very holding pattern.
though WTF happened at the end?
― Wrong Screamed Barney (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 3 February 2021 05:01 (three years ago) link
omg it's the Unknown Aggressors that killed the Builders innit?
― Wrong Screamed Barney (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 3 February 2021 05:11 (three years ago) link
one season to go, it'd have to be
― stimmy stimmy yah (Simon H.), Wednesday, 3 February 2021 07:11 (three years ago) link
I know they were in a shitty situation but was that really the best solution they could find? makes me think the call was made pretty damn late in production
― stimmy stimmy yah (Simon H.), Wednesday, 3 February 2021 07:14 (three years ago) link
I'm sure that's what happened. It's just weird because of how it was executed. It was a Chekhov's stroke. Also considering all of the adventures they'd been on together and how they usually reacted when one of their own was in danger, they were surprisingly disaffected by Alex's death
― Wrong Screamed Barney (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 3 February 2021 13:41 (three years ago) link
I guess my question would be what would this chunk of season have been like "according to plan"? does it explain stranding naomi wordlessly on a ship for three full episodes? what would have been the endgame and how did having to kill Alex off ruin it?
― stimmy stimmy yah (Simon H.), Wednesday, 3 February 2021 14:13 (three years ago) link
anyway, the first five episodes were some of the best they've ever done and there was still lots of great stuff in the other ones, but it's a shame they didn't knock this one out of the park like it seemed they would. I will say that technically the show's never been better- loved the sound design on Bobbie's rescue of Naomi, and the wonderful "fucked up digital video artifacts" effects in the ending scene. also laughed very hard at Amos' little speech to Holden and the reveal that followed
― stimmy stimmy yah (Simon H.), Wednesday, 3 February 2021 14:21 (three years ago) link
makes me think the call was made pretty damn late in production
based on this photo, i would say so
don't really understand why there was *so much* stranded naomi and then such a rush at the end, tho. did no one even bother talking to drummer?
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 3 February 2021 15:30 (three years ago) link
his arc about losing his family would have played in nicely with amos and james saying they were family now.
― wasdnuos (abanana), Wednesday, 3 February 2021 16:02 (three years ago) link
yeah I get the sense they were finally going to pay off all that stuff next season. oh well lol
the existence of that photograph is extremely funny to me
― stimmy stimmy yah (Simon H.), Wednesday, 3 February 2021 16:03 (three years ago) link
they should have just said Alex was 'visiting family' for two seasons
― Wrong Screamed Barney (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 3 February 2021 16:04 (three years ago) link
anyway on balance I think this was still the second best season (behind s3)
― stimmy stimmy yah (Simon H.), Wednesday, 3 February 2021 16:04 (three years ago) link
but this whole situation epitomizes poochie.png
― stimmy stimmy yah (Simon H.), Wednesday, 3 February 2021 16:06 (three years ago) link
i'm majorly excited about next season.
sad that Freddie Lounds is dead now
― Wrong Screamed Barney (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 3 February 2021 16:07 (three years ago) link
The polycule was such a missed opportunity for some actually interesting interpersonal drama, oh well.
― stimmy stimmy yah (Simon H.), Wednesday, 3 February 2021 16:30 (three years ago) link
next year introduces the fartmolecule
― Wrong Screamed Barney (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 3 February 2021 16:31 (three years ago) link
there are some really attractive people in this series (canadians)
― mookieproof, Thursday, 4 February 2021 00:18 (three years ago) link
laughed very hard at Amos' little speech to Holden and the reveal that followed
Best scene in the whole episode, especially the end with Holden just staring off into space like he'd been hit between the eyes with a hammer.
― but also fuck you (unperson), Thursday, 4 February 2021 00:20 (three years ago) link
haha yeah it took me a moment when I realized what he was setting up.
also how does Peaches trigger her mods? they always show her like closing her eyes and biting down and her eyes dilate and suddenly she's ripping people's limbs off
― Wrong Screamed Barney (Neanderthal), Thursday, 4 February 2021 00:24 (three years ago) link
― mookieproof, Wednesday, February 3, 2021 7:18 PM bookmarkflaglink
otm
― Wrong Screamed Barney (Neanderthal), Thursday, 4 February 2021 00:25 (three years ago) link
i think Drummer is my favorite character, wish we'd had more of her this year. though her playing off of Ashford was the best
Drummer is a tv series invention/concatenation -- and yeah she's rad. ... There is a lot of deviation from the books at this point, and I am behind a couple episodes
― sarahell, Thursday, 4 February 2021 00:26 (three years ago) link
my friend keeps giving me the "this is how it went in the books" spiel, which I would read, except I am currently reading Bruce Dickinson's autobiography so
― Wrong Screamed Barney (Neanderthal), Thursday, 4 February 2021 00:27 (three years ago) link
interesting to know she's a series-specific character!
my friend also said he was shocked by the ending because it sets up things that are 30-some odd years away in the books
i also wonder at what point they learned that they'd been renewed
haha i'd kind of wondered if drummer's expansion into a regular was a response to fandom
― mookieproof, Thursday, 4 February 2021 00:36 (three years ago) link
that scene where her and Ashford were trapped and singing old Belter songs to each other to comfort each other was a great scene
― Wrong Screamed Barney (Neanderthal), Thursday, 4 February 2021 00:39 (three years ago) link
I am currently reading Bruce Dickinson's autobiography
Oof. I read that a couple of years ago (if it's the one I'm thinking of; he may have written another since).
― but also fuck you (unperson), Thursday, 4 February 2021 01:05 (three years ago) link
― Wrong Screamed Barney (Neanderthal), Wednesday, February 3, 2021 4:27 PM (fifty-six minutes ago)
she's partially based on a character in the books and her story is kinda combined with that of another character, who actually does exist in the show now but his earlier story was allocated to drummer
― sarahell, Thursday, 4 February 2021 01:26 (three years ago) link
iirc the s5/s6 renewal happened at once
also they're saying they consider the s6 ending a "pause" which scares me
― stimmy stimmy yah (Simon H.), Thursday, 4 February 2021 01:30 (three years ago) link
I was discussing the season with a friend and realized the scope of how much stuff they quite possibly had to rearrange or excise, going back through the whole season, thanks to cas fucking anvar
― stimmy stimmy yah (Simon H.), Thursday, 4 February 2021 01:31 (three years ago) link
like for example all those scenes of bobbie and alex doing basically nothing but sitting in the ship reading diagnostics...did they have bantz to go with that originally?
― stimmy stimmy yah (Simon H.), Thursday, 4 February 2021 01:32 (three years ago) link
The book writers seem to be pretty clear that it's ending at the end of s6.
also how does Peaches trigger her mods? In the books it's a certain tongue/mouth gesture combination, I think?
Just saw that Cara Gee was 8 months pregnant during the shooting of her S5 scenes, but you wouldn't have known it from the final shots.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EtB8jJFXIAMKAc3?format=jpg&name=large
― Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Thursday, 4 February 2021 01:40 (three years ago) link
that's when cara geetakes a tug upon the stringthat held the line of marco's free navy
― mookieproof, Thursday, 4 February 2021 01:45 (three years ago) link
it's the end of Anvar as we know it ...
― sarahell, Thursday, 4 February 2021 02:21 (three years ago) link
thank you for not leaving me hanging <3
― mookieproof, Thursday, 4 February 2021 02:27 (three years ago) link
And everyone's getting fatExcept Anvar, Cas
― he said that you son of a bitch (Neanderthal), Thursday, 4 February 2021 02:29 (three years ago) link
also how does Peaches trigger her mods?
in the books, it looks like a moment of concentration to others but she is basically circling her tongue against the roof of her mouth in a certain way
― mh, Thursday, 4 February 2021 02:30 (three years ago) link
this ruled, great ep
― goole, Thursday, 4 February 2021 04:52 (three years ago) link
I mean, I want them to cover *more* materialoverall but they could really do most of the published series in two moreThe last one is *redacted* shit with the “red” faction, they could do really great things with Marco, the hub outside the ring... because I breezed past too quickly in the books, but it’s all tension
― mh, Thursday, 4 February 2021 05:00 (three years ago) link
Wtf was that that happened at the very end?!
― FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Thursday, 4 February 2021 07:52 (three years ago) link
That was awesome. I’ve really enjoyed the Naomi sections in the show, absolutely gripping.
― American Fear of Scampos (Ed), Thursday, 4 February 2021 10:10 (three years ago) link
xp If it's like the books, which I've only read a summary of, they got eaten by the enemies of the race that made the protomolecule.
― wasdnuos (abanana), Thursday, 4 February 2021 10:12 (three years ago) link
They finished filming Season 5 almost exactly a year ago and the allegations against Anvar didn't surface until a few months later so pretty sure they just filmed a few extra bits of dialogue to retcon his death into the finale. Might be wrong but looked to me like they just used am existing shot of Alex in his pilot chair and slowed it down or whatever to make it look like he was dead
― groovypanda, Thursday, 4 February 2021 11:27 (three years ago) link
yeah not going to bring him back in to shoot taht are they
― Stevolende, Thursday, 4 February 2021 11:30 (three years ago) link
Might be wrong but looked to me like they just used am existing shot of Alex in his pilot chair and slowed it down or whatever to make it look like he was dead
I had this thought too. Everything about that shot/moment was suuuuuper odd.
― stimmy stimmy yah (Simon H.), Thursday, 4 February 2021 13:19 (three years ago) link
It all kinda sucks but they were in a horrible position and they also couldn't really give him a "hero's death" or whatever, so this was almost the only way out
― stimmy stimmy yah (Simon H.), Thursday, 4 February 2021 13:21 (three years ago) link
that seems like a proper explanation, because when I saw him staring into space, I didn't notice the trickle of blood supposedly in his nose, and I started getting aggravated ('why the fuck isn't he answering Bobbie? this is so annoying!')
― he said that you son of a bitch (Neanderthal), Thursday, 4 February 2021 15:12 (three years ago) link
they could have perhaps added a reaction shot from Bobbie/Naomi without Alex on-screen when they boarded the craft that might have given a little more weight to the scene.
the clumsy 2 second explanation from Holden to Naomi reduced it to "aww man, Alex is dead? bummer. let's watch Jeopardy!"
― he said that you son of a bitch (Neanderthal), Thursday, 4 February 2021 15:15 (three years ago) link
I will say it's been interesting to sift through the Expanse subreddit. lots of talk about the potential impact of recasting, how it could impact the future, etc, but absolutely no one thinking he should have been kept on, which is nice to see
― stimmy stimmy yah (Simon H.), Thursday, 4 February 2021 15:32 (three years ago) link