“It’s a little too quiet” - US Politics February 2021

xp the Republican running against Warnock wouldn't be on the record voting no on this stimulus but when has that mattered to the modern GOP anyway? "Senator Warnock promised you $2000 - what did you get?"

Obstructing anything good for the last 3/4 of Obama's era didn't stop them blaming him and Democrats for things not getting better.

now, as in 2009-10, they don't even have to obstruct, Democrats will eagerly shoot themselves in the foot given an opportunity.

More than the amount of stimulus or means-testing, how can this give you any hope they're willing to do the things necessary to not get fucking slaughtered in the midterms? Negotiating against themselves on a stimulus in a pandemic - you really think a $15 minimum wage is going to survive? Moving the FICA cap to $400k and raising SS payments?

it won’t be ppl changing sides to the GOP because they felt they were mislead; it will be lots of folks — probably younger, some who might have been first timers in 2020, gig workers and min wage earners — who would normally have been sure bets as Democratic voters just dropping out of the process altogether.

James Carville?

wow

the nineties called

no, he went back to Narnia

Carville continued his political consulting with work as an advisor to Hillary Clinton's 2008 presidential campaign. In remarks on then rival candidate Senator Barack Obama, Carville declared in 2007 that Barack Obama was the Democratic candidate "most likely to explode or implode."[73]

Carville told The New York Times on March 22, 2008, that New Mexico Governor Bill Richardson, who had just endorsed Senator Barack Obama for the Democratic nomination, was comparable to Judas Iscariot. It was "an act of betrayal," said Carville. "Mr. Richardson's endorsement came right around the anniversary of the day when Judas sold out for 30 pieces of silver, so I think the timing is appropriate, if ironic," Mr. Carville said, referring to Holy Week.

In January 2020, Carville endorsed Colorado Senator Michael Bennet's unsuccessful campaign for the Democratic Presidential nomination.[86] Remarking of Bennet during the campaign season: "this is John Kennedy recloned, you can't get any better than this guy."[87] Bennet, who leaned hard on Carville's endorsement, garnered 963 votes in New Hampshire, or 0.3% of 300,022 total Democratic ballots cast in a year of record-shattering turnout.[88][89][90]

Bennet is Q

In another era, Bennet and Delaney would have gotten a prime time CNN show together.

The fuck are you guys doomposting about James Carville?

The guy doomposts himself on MSNBC shows for a living.

Sorry last one:

Carville has criticized Obama's political style and demeanor over the years. On November 18th, 2010, Carville spoke to an audience at a Christian Science Monitor breakfast and remarked: "If Hillary gave up one of her balls and gave it to Obama, he'd have two."[80] Carville made a similar remark to political journalist Eleanor Clift during the midst of the primaries in May, 2008, insinuating that Hillary Clinton was a tougher candidate, remarking: "If she gave him one of her cojones, they'd both have two."[81]

In November 2013, in light of President Barack Obama's declining poll numbers, Carville commented "I think the best thing he can do is take a toke on the mayor of Toronto's crack pipe, because his numbers are about 48."[82]

Democratic voters caping for leadership and the centrists:

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You are all proving my point and also I hate typos.

When all of this was going down, the negotiated amount was $600. Trump said "What? That should have been $2000" and the Democrats said "we have an amendment to make it $2000". They then ran on the idea that the stimulus was going to be $2000. It was not ambiguous and I don't really get why you guys are trying to cast it as if it was unless you're just dumb.

That’s a great campaign slogan for 2022

oh no my campaign is in shambles

When all of this was going down, the negotiated amount was $600. Trump said "What? That should have been $2000" and the Democrats said "we have an amendment to make it $2000". They then ran on the idea that the stimulus was going to be $2000. It was not ambiguous and I don't really get why you guys are trying to cast it as if it was unless you're just dumb.

― Hello Nice FBI Lady (DJP)

I don't get what's happening here tonight except James Carville accused Obama of having one ball and why we're supposed to care in 2021.

Seriously though, can we not invent things to be mad about? We're going to get disappointed soon enough, there's literally zero reason to jump the gun on it.

WHERE'S HIS OTHER BALL?

Yes, some people read the amendment that raised it to $2000 in December. As was pointed out to Big Don, this was a point of confusion even to the people who were obsessively reloading the politics thread for updates on Trump's lawyers. It was hardly universal knowledge.

However, even that doesn't matter - the Democrats continued saying "$2000 checks" after the $600 started getting distributed.

Here's Joe Biden himself on January 4th...

And that's not an exaggeration. That is a literal-- that's literally true. If you send John and the Reverend to Washington, those $2,000 checks will go out the door, restoring hope and decency and honor for so many people who are struggling right now. And if you send senators Perdue and Loeffler back to Washington, those checks will never get there. It's just that simple. The power is literally in your hands.

The $2000 thing has nothing to do with the personal expectations of anyone posting itt. It has everything to do with the expectations of the average American.

And the hours of footage that can be used to show the Lying Democraps backing out on their promises they used to buy the Senate.

The average American is fucking dumb and should be smarter.

Well, yeah.

Trump Critical of Powell's Typos in Her Briefs

Meantime, watch 'em squirm

UPDATE: I'm told NO decision tonight from the GOP on whether to strip Greene of her committee assignments or reassign her, I'm told.

This comes after the GOP Steering panel just huddled in McCarthy's office for an hour. McCarthy & Greene also met earlier.

— Melanie Zanona (@MZanona) February 3, 2021

Separately

Biden just fired all 10 of Trump’s appointees on the Federal Service Impasses Panel. Trump had stacked the panel with anti-labor activists who rewrote union contracts to undermine collective bargaining and strip protections from workers. Now all his holdovers are gone. pic.twitter.com/BUPYXyiOom

— Mark Joseph Stern (@mjs_DC) February 3, 2021

Seriously though, can we not invent things to be mad about? We're going to get disappointed soon enough, there's literally zero reason to jump the gun on it.

― Hello Nice FBI Lady (DJP), Tuesday, February 2, 2021 10:41 PM (twelve minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

haha this is fair.

but if the checks end up being $2000 then those who've been litigating exactly what was promised, or saying it makes no difference morally or politically, should concede that the (moderate!) democratic leadership disagreed with them.

AOC's bill adding $1400 to the original $600 passed the House on December 28th. When did the lying Dems shift their promise from we're going to get you $600 + $1400 to $600 + $2000?

saying it makes no difference morally or politically

I have no idea if $2000 is more moral than $1400, and until there is another election it would be hard to arrive at any certainty about the amount of political difference it might make. But there's no question in my mind that for a very large number of Americans, running into the tens of millions, $2000 rather than $1400 would make a significant and measurable difference in their lives. A $600 difference to be exact and that ain't hay when every dollar counts. And that is why I'd be delighted to see $2000 payments going out. Pretty sure our checks will be directed straight to the local food bank and woman's shelter either way.

There is exactly zero downside to expecting the checks to be $1400 and finding out they are $2000, is the thing. Like, I'm not gonna be like "fuck you Democrats, you were more generous than I was expecting and I lost an argument on the Internet"

And my argument isn't "there is no moral difference between $1400 and $2000", it's "Democrats ran on a $2000 stimulus and $600 + $1400 = $2000 and they broadcast a lot of info about the amendment to boost the agreement already made to that level so I'm not sure why people ostensibly opposed to helping Republicans are doing their legwork for them"

my guess is they'll do $2000 checks (they're stupid but they're not that stupid), but they'll net the cost to that of $1400 checks by means testing. i think as long as everyone gets a $2000 check and that means testing is done in by clawing the checks back in 2021 tax bills then probably that's ok politically. the alternative is a bunch of people who earn 50% of the median household income in cities where family rent is $3000 getting checks for like $8.

I think the government should be giving people tax-free salary replacement up to 60% of your gross of $5000/month, whichever is greater, but I also know that is not the world I live in.

"Don't criticize Democrats doing stupid things because that helps Republicans" is genius stuff.

The $2000 checks are dead, though, today's stupid thing they're trying to do is further means testing of the $1400 so that people making $60k can feel like they got screwed and oppose assistance to their socioeconomic inferiors.

(i suppose this is so obvious it's not even worth saying, which is why no one has, but just for posterity's sake: it was also clear, at this time, that a _one-time payment_ of either $1400 or $2000 was a complete joke, considering the overall damage of coronavirus, the wealth and inequality in the united states, and the monthly financial support that people in comparably industrialized countries across the world have received. we all knew this, at the time, but ended up debating about $1400 vs $2000, and it was sad on multiple levels)

i mean, har har, but does anyone disagree?

are we not all getting completely fucked? are we not talking about the scraps in the bucket that we are finally offered as a conciliatory gesture, rather than as vital, essential resources for people that are on month ?!?!?! of a pandemic that was greatly worsened by GOP incompetence and cruelty?

some people are experiencing waves of relief as competent people take the reins and we begin to reckon with whatever the fuck just happened the last 4 years, but i am even more disturbed with the american people now than i was in dec 2016. it is fucking crazy that the election was even as close as it was, and it's really sad that the senate/house GOP results weren't quite as bad as they were for trump, when in fact they ALL voted to keep a seething petty fartboy criminal in office during the impeachment proceedings (except romney, FUCK).

"Don't criticize Democrats doing stupid things because that helps Republicans" is genius stuff.

Seems to me like a good two-thirds of the criticism that democrats get on ilx politics threads isn't about anything stupid they've done, but about stuff that somebody is absolutely certain they are just about to do because somebody on twitter suggested they might be just about to do it.

The eventual amount of the relief checks is a case in point. The bill hasn't been sent to the floor. No amount has been set. This particular stupidity is entirely imaginary as of today. It could happen. Lots of things could happen. But it is getting blasted here as if i were a done deal.

anyway, it's all water under the bridge i suppose, but something about watching this struggle against $1400 vs $2000, knowing that $600 is very important, and also knowing that people should be getting this EVERY MONTH...i can't get past it. i can't get to the arguments underneath, it's just like HOLY SHIT you all

I doubt anyone is arguing based on what's the proper amount on checks to be cut.

It's about the political act - saying one thing and doing another, saying one thing and doing nothing, means testing to divide people, all ignoring what was pointed out yesterday - for the people who create fiat money, money isn't real. If you're not a deficit hawk piece of shit, you don't need to jump through hoops to defend Manchin and Sinema trying to earn the love and respect of Washington Post op-ed writers.

you don't need to jump through hoops to defend Manchin and Sinema

"You"? Who? Save it for someone who is jumping through hoops to defend Manchin and Sinema. nobody here fits that description.

My main contribution to the thread is calling most of you stupid, which really just takes me back to 2003

I get sick and tired of posters who never notice the actual positions of the people they are talking to, because it is so much easier to defeat the arguments that they choose to refute, but that no one made, aka strawmanning.

Food banks are strained trying to feed people worried about where they'll get their next meal.

Essential workers continue to risk their own health and their families for us all.

Small business owners from restaurants to barber shops are hurting.

We need $2,000 stimulus checks.

— Kamala Harris (@KamalaHarris) January 13, 2021

stfu milo

Proving only that Kamala Harris agrees with you, me, DJP and everyone else on this thread that I'm aware of.

What kind of absolute blithering idiots would think Democrats were talking about $2000 checks, though?

You cite a Democrat talking about $2000 checks and in the next post say only a blithering idiot would think Democrats are talking about$2000 checks.

They then ran on the idea that the stimulus was going to be $2000. It was not ambiguous and I don't really get why you guys are trying to cast it as if it was unless you're just dumb.

Seriously, everyone trying to dunk using the “you said $2000 but now it’s just $140” just looks like an idiot to me

I bet the % of americans that know the dems promised $2000 (as opposed to another amount) is under 30%.
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I give up. You brain geniuses should go work for Dem political campaigns keeping track of all the brutal self-owns.