Enough With The Cutesy Titles, People Are Dead: US Politics January 2021 pt 2

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Everything's Blue In This Whorl (Raymond Cummings), Saturday, 23 January 2021 01:36 (five years ago)

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Trump and Justice Dept. Lawyer Said to Have Plotted to Oust Acting Attorney General

Trump and Justice Dept. Lawyer Said to Have Plotted to Oust Acting Attorney General
Trying to find another avenue to push his baseless election claims, Donald Trump considered installing a loyalist, and had the men make their cases to him.

Katie Benner
By Katie Benner
Jan. 22, 2021, 7:44 p.m. ET
WASHINGTON — The Justice Department’s top leaders listened in stunned silence this month: One of their peers, they were told, had devised a plan with President Donald J. Trump to oust Jeffrey A. Rosen as acting attorney general and wield the department’s power to force Georgia state lawmakers to overturn its presidential election results.

The unassuming lawyer who worked on the plan, Jeffrey Clark, had been devising ways to cast doubt on the election results and to bolster Mr. Trump’s continuing legal battles and the pressure on Georgia politicians. Because Mr. Rosen had refused the president’s entreaties to carry out those plans, Mr. Trump was about to decide whether to fire Mr. Rosen and replace him with Mr. Clark.

The department officials, convened on a conference call, then asked each other: What will you do if Mr. Rosen is dismissed?

The answer was unanimous. They would resign.

Their informal pact ultimately helped persuade Mr. Trump to keep Mr. Rosen in place, calculating that a furor over mass resignations at the top of the Justice Department would eclipse any attention on his baseless accusations of voter fraud. Mr. Trump’s decision came only after Mr. Rosen and Mr. Clark made their competing cases to him in a bizarre White House meeting that two officials compared with an episode of Mr. Trump’s reality show “The Apprentice,” albeit one that could prompt a constitutional crisis.

The previously unknown chapter was the culmination of the president’s long-running effort to batter the Justice Department into advancing his personal agenda. He also pressed Mr. Rosen to appoint special counsels, including one who would look into Dominion Voting Systems, a maker of election equipment that Mr. Trump’s allies had falsely said was working with Venezuela to flip votes from Mr. Trump to Joseph R. Biden Jr.

This account of the department’s final days under Mr. Trump’s leadership is based on interviews with four former Trump administration officials who asked not to be named because of fear of retaliation.

Mr. Clark said that this account contained inaccuracies but did not specify, adding that he could not discuss any conversations with Mr. Trump or Justice Department lawyers. “Senior Justice Department lawyers, not uncommonly, provide legal advice to the White House as part of our duties,” he said. “All my official communications were consistent with law.”

Mr. Clark also noted that he was the lead signatory on a Justice Department request last month asking a federal judge to reject a lawsuit that sought to pressure Vice President Mike Pence to overturn the results of the election.

Mr. Trump declined to comment. An adviser said that Mr. Trump has consistently argued that the justice system should investigate “rampant election fraud that has plagued our system for years.”

The adviser added that “any assertion to the contrary is false and being driven by those who wish to keep the system broken.”

A Justice Department spokesman declined to comment, as did Mr. Rosen.

When Mr. Trump said on Dec. 14 that Attorney General William P. Barr was leaving the department, some officials thought that he might allow Mr. Rosen a short reprieve before pressing him about voter fraud. After all, Mr. Barr would be around for another week.

Instead, Mr. Trump summoned Mr. Rosen to the Oval Office the next day. He wanted the Justice Department to file legal briefs supporting his allies’ lawsuits seeking to overturn his election loss. And he urged Mr. Rosen to appoint special counsels to investigate not only unfounded accusations of widespread voter fraud, but also Dominion, the voting machines firm.

(Dominion has sued the pro-Trump lawyer Sidney Powell, who inserted those accusations into four federal lawsuits about voter irregularities that were all dismissed.)

Mr. Rosen refused. He maintained that he would make decisions based on the facts and the law, and he reiterated what Mr. Barr had privately told Mr. Trump: The department had investigated voting irregularities and found no evidence of widespread fraud.

But Mr. Trump continued to press Mr. Rosen after the meeting — in phone calls and in person. He repeatedly said that he did not understand why the Justice Department had not found evidence that supported conspiracy theories about the election that some of his personal lawyers had espoused. He declared that the department was not fighting hard enough for him.

As Mr. Rosen and the deputy attorney general, Richard P. Donoghue, pushed back, they were unaware that Mr. Clark had been introduced to Mr. Trump by a Pennsylvania politician and had told the president that he agreed that fraud had affected the election results.

Mr. Trump quickly embraced Mr. Clark, who had been appointed the acting head of the civil division in September and was also the head of the department’s environmental and natural resources division.

As December wore on, Mr. Clark mentioned to Mr. Rosen and Mr. Donoghue that he spent a lot of time reading on the internet — a comment that alarmed them because they inferred that he believed the unfounded conspiracy theory that Mr. Trump had won the election. Mr. Clark also told them that he wanted the department to hold a news conference announcing that it was investigating serious accusations of election fraud. Mr. Rosen and Mr. Donoghue rejected the proposal.

As Mr. Trump focused increasingly on Georgia, a state he lost narrowly to Mr. Biden, he complained to Justice Department leaders that the U.S. attorney in Atlanta, Byung J. Pak, was not trying to find evidence for false election claims pushed by Mr. Trump’s lawyer Rudolph W. Giuliani and others. Mr. Donoghue warned Mr. Pak that the president was now fixated on his office, and that it might not be tenable for him to continue to lead it, according to two people familiar with the conversation.

That conversation and Mr. Trump’s efforts to pressure Georgia’s Republican secretary of state to “find” him votes compelled Mr. Pak to abruptly resign this month.

Mr. Clark was also focused on Georgia. He drafted a letter that he wanted Mr. Rosen to send to Georgia state legislators that wrongly said that the Justice Department was investigating accusations of voter fraud in their state, and that they should move to void Mr. Biden’s win there.

Mr. Rosen and Mr. Donoghue again rejected Mr. Clark’s proposal.

On New Year’s Eve, the trio met to discuss Mr. Clark’s refusal to hew to the department’s conclusion that the election results were valid. Mr. Donoghue flatly told Mr. Clark that what he was doing was wrong. The next day, Mr. Clark told Mr. Rosen — who had mentored him while they worked together at the law firm Kirkland & Ellis — that he was going to discuss his strategy to the president early the next week, just before Congress was set to certify Mr. Biden’s electoral victory.

Unbeknown to the acting attorney general, Mr. Clark’s timeline moved up. He met with Mr. Trump over the weekend, then informed Mr. Rosen midday on Sunday that the president intended to replace him with Mr. Clark, who could then try to stop Congress from certifying the Electoral College results. He said that Mr. Rosen could stay on as his deputy attorney general, leaving Mr. Rosen speechless.

Unwilling to step down without a fight, Mr. Rosen said that he needed to hear straight from Mr. Trump and worked with the White House counsel, Pat A. Cipollone, to convene a meeting for early that evening.

Even as Mr. Clark’s pronouncement was sinking in, stunning news broke out of Georgia: State officials had recorded an hourlong call, published by The Washington Post, during which Mr. Trump pressured them to manufacture enough votes to declare him the victor. As the fallout from the recording ricocheted through Washington, the president’s desperate bid to change the outcome in Georgia came into sharp focus.

Mr. Rosen and Mr. Donoghue pressed ahead, informing Steven Engel, the head of the Justice Department’s office of legal counsel, about Mr. Clark’s latest maneuver. Mr. Donoghue convened a late-afternoon call with the department’s remaining senior leaders, laying out Mr. Clark’s efforts to replace Mr. Rosen.

Mr. Rosen planned to soon head to the White House to discuss his fate, Mr. Donoghue told the group. Should Mr. Rosen be fired, they all agreed to resign en masse. For some, the plan brought to mind the so-called Saturday Night Massacre of the Nixon era, where Attorney General Elliot L. Richardson and his deputy resigned rather than carry out the president’s order to fire the special prosecutor investigating him.

The Clark plan, the officials concluded, would seriously harm the department, the government and the rule of law. For hours, they anxiously messaged and called one another as they awaited Mr. Rosen’s fate.

Around 6 p.m., Mr. Rosen, Mr. Donoghue and Mr. Clark met at the White House with Mr. Trump, Mr. Cipollone, his deputy Patrick Philbin and other lawyers. Mr. Trump had Mr. Rosen and Mr. Clark present their arguments to him.

Mr. Cipollone advised the president not to fire Mr. Rosen and he reiterated, as he had for days, that he did not recommend sending the letter to Georgia lawmakers. Mr. Engel advised Mr. Trump that he and the department’s remaining top officials would resign if he fired Mr. Rosen, leaving Mr. Clark alone at the department.

Mr. Trump seemed somewhat swayed by the idea that firing Mr. Rosen would trigger not only chaos at the Justice Department, but also congressional investigations and possibly recriminations from other Republicans and distract attention from his efforts to overturn the election results.

After nearly three hours, Mr. Trump ultimately decided that Mr. Clark’s plan would fail, and he allowed Mr. Rosen to stay.

Mr. Rosen and his deputies concluded they had weathered the turmoil. Once Congress certified Mr. Biden’s victory, there would be little for them to do until they left along with Mr. Trump in two weeks.

They began to exhale days later as the Electoral College certification at the Capitol got underway. And then they received word: The building had been breached.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 23 January 2021 01:37 (five years ago)

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Next Time Might Be Hammer Time (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 23 January 2021 01:43 (five years ago)

is it too late to amend the impeachment articles just a bit

Karl Malone, Saturday, 23 January 2021 01:51 (five years ago)

You can always add more.

IIRC didn't they tack on something about Georgia at the end there? Could be an opening.

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 23 January 2021 01:54 (five years ago)

impeach all Republican politicians nationwide

if Spaghetti-Os had whammy bars (Neanderthal), Saturday, 23 January 2021 01:55 (five years ago)

iirc, all the state-level republican secretaries of state and elections officials resisted Trump's spurious claims of fraud, even though a ton of republican state legislators jumped on the let's-crush-democracy train.

Respectfully Yours, (Aimless), Saturday, 23 January 2021 02:00 (five years ago)

Sharing less for the Hill's broad definition of plummet, and for the optical illusion of Hawley's bitchin' ponytail

Poll: Hawley, Cruz see approval ratings plummet in wake of Capitol riot https://t.co/oUUbhIZ7JK pic.twitter.com/KoLd6LpWCJ

— The Hill (@thehill) January 23, 2021

"what are you DOING to fleetwood mac??" (C. Grisso/McCain), Saturday, 23 January 2021 02:42 (five years ago)

i said to Mr Veg on inauguration eve that DJT’s view of the presidency was basically the same as a 5 year old being Boss of The Playground on their birthday. Cannot be overstated how much he ~did not care~ about what “should” be done in the role. the presidency to him
was 100% a “do what I say” card and the stories are going to bear that out in soooooo much detail

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 23 January 2021 02:46 (five years ago)

he is like Bane in Dark Knight Rises except if he had muscular atrophy

if Spaghetti-Os had whammy bars (Neanderthal), Saturday, 23 January 2021 02:47 (five years ago)

Thanks for the cut/paste JIC

Everything's Blue In This Whorl (Raymond Cummings), Saturday, 23 January 2021 02:52 (five years ago)

Lol, VG

Next Time Might Be Hammer Time (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 23 January 2021 02:54 (five years ago)

VG otm. Didn't know, didn't care.

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Saturday, 23 January 2021 02:55 (five years ago)

"Trump follows the Constitution"

"what's his favorite part?"

"uhh....Chapter 3?"

if Spaghetti-Os had whammy bars (Neanderthal), Saturday, 23 January 2021 03:01 (five years ago)

Some other mania

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2021/01/embedding-with-pentagon-leadership-in-trumps-chaotic-last-week

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 23 January 2021 03:48 (five years ago)

When Mr. Trump said on Dec. 14 that Attorney General William P. Barr was leaving the department, some officials thought that he might allow Mr. Rosen a short reprieve before pressing him about voter fraud. After all, Mr. Barr would be around for another week.

Instead, Mr. Trump summoned Mr. Rosen to the Oval Office the next day. He wanted the Justice Department to file legal briefs supporting his allies’ lawsuits seeking to overturn his election loss. And he urged Mr. Rosen to appoint special counsels to investigate not only unfounded accusations of widespread voter fraud, but also Dominion, the voting machines firm.

the next fucking day. jeeeeezus

Karl Malone, Saturday, 23 January 2021 03:49 (five years ago)

Some of this hit HAS to be jailable, right?

the serious avant-garde universalist right now (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 23 January 2021 04:32 (five years ago)

Whoops!

WaPo has updated its story to include a somewhat cryptic written statement from Clark, in which he confirms “there was a candid discussion of options and pros and cons with the President.”

Clark dubiously asserts that conversation is privileged. h/t @JanNWolfe pic.twitter.com/cHaPFZ7U4c

— southpaw (@nycsouthpaw) January 23, 2021

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 23 January 2021 04:37 (five years ago)

The word "options" = falling on a sword

if Spaghetti-Os had whammy bars (Neanderthal), Saturday, 23 January 2021 04:43 (five years ago)

is it bad that i want Cippollone to write a tell-all

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 23 January 2021 04:51 (five years ago)

Cannot be overstated how much he ~did not care~ about what “should” be done in the role. the presidency to him
was 100% a “do what I say” card

This also applies to his real estate developments, to his casinos, to his footbal league, to his universities, to his charities, to his taxes, to his approach to sexual consent...

shivers me timber (sic), Saturday, 23 January 2021 04:53 (five years ago)

Of course, everyone who constantly created and shared these memes will buy a sweatshirt as part of this charity effort, right?

https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/bernie-sanders-meme-inauguration-sweatshirt-charity-1117854/?fbclid=IwAR2CKj82ebBIUSS3z8Z9zGaqjMSYXLIBBGOlf3y_EQV7KSlsE9OqshcdHxg

Everything's Blue In This Whorl (Raymond Cummings), Saturday, 23 January 2021 05:02 (five years ago)

subject matter waiver and how you do it

pence's eye juice (Hunt3r), Saturday, 23 January 2021 05:09 (five years ago)

if you want a couple of thousand words of schoolhouse rock content on how executive orders work in the specific context of environmental regulation, this is a good piece https://arstechnica.com/science/2021/01/a-look-at-all-of-bidens-changes-to-energy-and-environmental-regulations/

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Saturday, 23 January 2021 05:34 (five years ago)

somehow a thousand words and rolling stone don't quite go well together

but seriously, i was wondering, do people really consider previous thread titles to be cutesy?

Punster McPunisher, Saturday, 23 January 2021 06:03 (five years ago)

fbclid=IwAR2CKj82ebBIUSS3z8Z9zGaqjMSYXLIBBGOlf3y_EQV7KSlsE9OqshcdHxg

shivers me timber (sic), Saturday, 23 January 2021 06:15 (five years ago)

banana fana fo bclid=IwAR2CKj82ebBIUSS3z8Z9zGaqjMSYXLIBBGOlf3y_EQV7KSlsE9OqshcdHxg

if Spaghetti-Os had whammy bars (Neanderthal), Saturday, 23 January 2021 06:16 (five years ago)

Haha https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/22/us/politics/biden-executive-orders-trump.html



One former senior Trump aide, speaking on condition of anonymity for fear or retaliation, agreed. “Very little of what Trump did was done to ensure permanence. At the pace Biden is moving, everything Trump did will be gone by the time the sun rises on Monday — except his judicial appointments.”

While Mr. Trump lorded over Twitter, important lessons for him lurked, unwatched, on YouTube.

In a remarkable interview 10 days before his death in 1973, Lyndon B. Johnson, the most skilled legislator-president in the country’s recent history, explained why he had resisted the temptation to ram through landmark civil rights reforms by using executive orders.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Saturday, 23 January 2021 06:23 (five years ago)

didn't Trump already have aides leaking negative shit to the press like, in Week 1?

another enjoyable diff with Biden admin (or literally every other admin)

if Spaghetti-Os had whammy bars (Neanderthal), Saturday, 23 January 2021 06:25 (five years ago)

Punster the thread title comment about cutesy has more to do with the flurry of puns that were sparked when it was announced this month had a part 2 coming. Which is a precedent caused by the events of Jan 6th causing much debate when there was also going to be an inauguration and new incumbency later. So this would be a very full thread if kept as 1 part.

Stevolende, Saturday, 23 January 2021 07:27 (five years ago)

So weird to me that politicians have merch. Not campaign merch, just merch-merch.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 23 January 2021 14:07 (five years ago)

They literally only hold their jobs as a result of regularly scheduled popularity contests.

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Saturday, 23 January 2021 14:10 (five years ago)

It's ok to pirate their podcasts, they make all their money off merch and touring

if Spaghetti-Os had whammy bars (Neanderthal), Saturday, 23 January 2021 14:15 (five years ago)

Blimey, this thread having a day off?

Mark G, Sunday, 24 January 2021 09:59 (five years ago)

May need to get used to things like taht, head of state not going out of his way to embarass himself several timesa day and the ex having no media access.
May have to go cold turkey on teh trepidation of the other boot dropping for a while. YOu could always read back through the monthly threqads for the last 4 years if you are too addicted.,

On the other hand McConnell is going to be a pain wherever he can and Biden is goingto be struggling with trying to do all the good he can but not having a significant majority.

Ha funny that, didn't think the speed of additions to the thread was going to tail off after about the 20th since nothing untoward regularly happening. So the idea that there would be bound to be need for a 2nd or 3rd thread for teh month may have been based on a habit taht was just breaking.

Stevolende, Sunday, 24 January 2021 10:15 (five years ago)

The monthly thread may have to be ditched at this rate :-O

Waterloo Subset (Tom D.), Sunday, 24 January 2021 10:42 (five years ago)

Good

Qanondorf (darraghmac), Sunday, 24 January 2021 10:45 (five years ago)

I noted it last night and was...quite surprised and pleased

The return of our beloved potatoes (the table is the table), Sunday, 24 January 2021 12:29 (five years ago)

Blimey, this thread having a day off?

― Mark G, Sunday, January 24, 2021

I loved it!

meticulously crafted, socially responsible, morally upsta (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 24 January 2021 13:07 (five years ago)

i have like 3 different depressing news updates i could post, and one of them involves trump

but in the year of extra-magical thinking, 2021 - no i don't, all the news is good

Karl Malone, Sunday, 24 January 2021 18:17 (five years ago)

There's a difference between depressing and urgent. There was plenty of depressing political news before Trump, and will be plenty after. But a lot fewer things that will prompt the "JFC DID U SEE THIS LATEST ASSAULT ON ALL THINGS DECENT" reactions that have fueled these threads for the past 4 years. Or here's hoping anyway.

a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Sunday, 24 January 2021 18:27 (five years ago)

oh, for sure. the things i want to post about today are just expected things - mcconnell is doing his best to make sure as many people die of covid as possible and biden takes the blame; trump is trying to start the Patriot party, and smart people in portland thought burning a biden flag (lol?) on inauguration day would be a good thing. but yeah, none of that compares to what happened a couple weeks ago - trump trying to overthrow the election in yet ANOTHER way by trying to get the acting attorney general thrown out and then installing a stooge to overturn the Georgia results (via...magic?)...anyway, holy shit. the trump years chewed me up and spit me out. i'm a whiny piece of half-solidified blood, hardened bloodsnot after a violent sneeze. the silence of this thread is comforting in some ways

Karl Malone, Sunday, 24 January 2021 18:33 (five years ago)

So, no need for a January part two thread, and Feb will most likely be...... quiet

Mark G, Sunday, 24 January 2021 19:47 (five years ago)

This is the January, part two thread.

Respectfully Yours, (Aimless), Sunday, 24 January 2021 19:50 (five years ago)

It does all feel pretty weird. The silence of the Trump. I do not miss him even a tiny little bit, but it's just like some asshole with a jackhammer has been right outside the window for the past four years, except the jackhammer was hate speech and crazy talk, and now it's just ... gone. Or at least muted to an extent you have to strain to hear it. Takes some adjusting to.

a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Sunday, 24 January 2021 19:51 (five years ago)

thank god twitter booted him

real muthaphuckkin jeez (crüt), Sunday, 24 January 2021 19:55 (five years ago)

Both amazing and I guess predictable what a difference that made.

a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Sunday, 24 January 2021 20:00 (five years ago)

yep

also, fuck those dumbasses in Portland, smdh

Überschadenfreude (sleeve), Sunday, 24 January 2021 20:06 (five years ago)

🙄

Canon in Deez (silby), Sunday, 24 January 2021 20:07 (five years ago)

there was a good roasting response on twitter but I've already given it more attention than it deserves

Überschadenfreude (sleeve), Sunday, 24 January 2021 20:08 (five years ago)


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