Enough With The Cutesy Titles, People Are Dead: US Politics January 2021 pt 2

Such a tedious child of a man.

"Actions have consequences"

Yes, ransacking the Capitol has consequences.

Who does Marjorie mean by "The Big Guy"? Boss Hogg? George "The Animal" Steele?

Ric Flair

I just found out that George "The Animal" Steele had a graduate degree in physical fitness education.

ahahahahah

I have no problem with REAL crimes being prosecuted so long as all of our citizens are treated similarly.

— Scott Adams (@ScottAdamsSays) January 21, 2021

xp and was an ILX poster!

I thought he had some kind of other degree.

Hmm, not sure now: After earning a bachelor of science degree from Michigan State University and a master's degree from Central Michigan University,[9] Myers became a teacher, amateur wrestling coach, and football coach at Madison High School in Madison Heights, Michigan.

Oh hey, I made a joke post about him once this is the thread where you impersonate other ilxors

Hey, that trick worked pretty well.

So is the idea of getting rid of the filibuster to hopefully lock into place new rules and laws that won't or can't easily be immediately reversed if the Dems lose the senate? Because isn't that what will happen, kind of like with the White House and executive orders?

Don't think Dems are worried about that if they have the Presidential veto, but the moment they don't....

my understanding is that there's a fairly narrow set of things that can be done by EO, and yes, they'll get reversed on day 1 of the next republican presidency. a lot of fiscal/budget stuff can be done with 50+1 by "reconciliation", but anything else requires 60 to break a filibuster, and that includes immigration reform.

basically they either need to convince 10(!) republican senators to vote with them on immigration reform, or get rid of the filibuster.

Let’s literally fuck around with getting rid of the fillibuster and see what happens it will probably be dope /nots

filibuster rules were invented by the senate and can be reinvented by the senate.

we should expect that if and when the GOP gets back in power, they will abuse the system as much as they can, and they will justify it all on vengeance against what the democrats did. that was one reason that the "nuclear option" was avoided for so long - the fear of provoking the GOP into a neverending ragestorm of "vengeance". somewhere in the last 4 years, it has become very, very, very clear that they are already in that ragestorm of vengeance, and that they no longer possess functional consciences. the nuclear option became the only option, thanks to them

Closing tiiiime

at this point we might as well do it but lord let's try and hold onto at least one chamber of Congress for the next decade

*pessimism alert*

i expect the GOP to take back house and senate in 2022

whether they destroy the filibuster or not

so might as well use it and try to save the country imo

house yes, senate no

actually, do i believe that? maybe i believe that democrats will retain house (due to totally manual, abacus-era district redrawing based on census) while the senate will swing back to good old mcconnell

xp lol, i came to the opposite conclusion, and now i'm lonely

Nonsense, there's two of you now.

one
has produced
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Hits keep coming:

As one of his first orders of business, President Biden asks for and receives the resignation of Michael Pack as head of the Voice of America. Pack had effectively turned the VoA into a propaganda arm of the Trump administration.

honestly getting the loyalists out of positions they're not qualified for and de-politicizing national security roles is one of the big anxiety relievers for me

yep, plz keep those news bits coming, thanks

McConnell is threatening to filibuster the Organizing Resolution which allows Democrats to assume the committee Chair positions. It’s an absolutely unprecedented, wacky, counterproductive request. We won the Senate. We get the gavels.

— Brian Schatz (@brianschatz) January 21, 2021

This is what comes from skipping a step.

Step 1: Win the presidency
Step 2: Keep the House
Step 3: Win the Senate
Step 4: Assassinate Mitch McConnell

Obstruction is a helluva drug

Glad to see that much of our democracy still depends on the whims of one fucking man. Great system America.

he's doing it because he wants guaranteed protections to the filibuster

i think he just called ur bluff. end it

you could also see it as being on another person - joe manchin (and kirsten sinema)

Even my small-town local library, on an avowedly apolitical Facebook group, has a Bernie meme this morning. It's out of control. Carry on.

just to be clear, the negotiation right now is not about getting rid of the filibuster. it's about the meta question of whether schumer will promise never to get rid of the filibuster. it's an absolutely insane demand from mcconnell.

(which of course means schumer will take it because his imaginary friends think it's fair)

ok, i don't think this is likely, but in the spirit of making grandiose predictions based on the gut: if the democrats don't dump the filibuster and get shit done during this window, the democratic party will split before the GOP

(8:1)

No it won't.

yes it will, 1/8th of the time

(anytime anyone frames an argument as "there are only three options:", you know it's going to be fucking dumb)

there are only three options:

1) mcconnell and GOP start to cooperate and behave with the wellbeing of the country in mind - waves of progressive legislation are quickly passed in a tsunami of bipartisan unity
2) schumer and democrats try to go back to the past, and spend their window of opportunity negotiating with the GOP, shockingly ending up with watered-down legislation, too little, too late, with zero GOP votes
3) abolish the filibuster

here's where my incredibly dumb idea comes in: if 1) doesn't happen (and it NEVER FUCKING WILL), and Democrats end up going for 2) rather than 3), than 4) i will shit my pants and it will be a more promising political party than the Democratic one that chooses to negotiate with these fucking assholes

at that point, i think everyone on the left will automatically obtain their Limit Breaks ---> Knights of the Round Table, 9999, we're done here

On the day Donald Trump was sworn in as president, Republicans controlled not only the White House but both houses of Congress. They were in a historically strong position elsewhere as well, controlling both legislative chambers in 32 states. They pissed that away like they were midnight drunks karaoke-warbling that old Chumbawumba song

GOP-controlled Congress, Senate and Executive, what's on your karaoke playlist?

Dutiful Servants And Political Masters
Baby Waved A Flag
Always Tell The Voter What The Voter Wants To Hear
The Triumph Of General Ludd
The Candidates Find Common Ground
Baby Killers
Tiananmen Square
...And In A Nutshell "Food Aid Is Our Most Powerful Weapon"

quick thought, had to put this somewhere

guy fieri should run for president

Not me. Us. pic.twitter.com/ec7XgfEl7b

— Guy Fieri (@GuyFieri) January 21, 2021

he's running

LOLOLOL sic <3

if the democrats don't dump the filibuster and get shit done during this window, the democratic party will split before the GOP

The Democrats won't have to splinter, they'd just be reduced to a rump opposition after the GOP takes power and completely ignores the result of pesky things like "who won the Presidential election."

the federalist cuts bait

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/01/21/legal-scholars-federalist-society-trump-convict-461089

There is a lot of stuff to do, I don't see what's so wrong with doing a lot of very popular and urgent things in the first 100 days with 50 votes and reconciliation, then returning to immigration and HR1 when they are in a politically stronger position; I guess because I believe the things Dems want to do are Actually Good I believe they're in a stronger political position once they've done them, ymmv

eturning to immigration and HR1 when they are in a politically stronger position

i'm 0 for whatever today, but fwiw i think they're in their strongest position, right now