Enough With The Cutesy Titles, People Are Dead: US Politics January 2021 pt 2

Hope I’m wrong but my general feeling is that I’ll eat my hat if McConnell or any R senator other than Romney and maaaaybe Collins and Murkowski votes to convict.

i think you're right. mitch will vote to not convict, but his reasoning will be about national unity, against divisiveness etc. he won't defend trump on this

ben sasse will also vote to convict i think, along with collins, murkowski and romney

We were just talking about what a difference having Trump off twitter makes. Just wait until he's no longer president and literally gone from DC. Like, even Pence isn't seeing him off.

Cotton will vote to knight him

xps oh come on y'all, dream big

Toomey will also vote to convict

oh wait he retired

wait no that's not for another year

wait

i think it's good that trump is not the president no more

_I am told that Nancy Pelosi tells Hillary Clinton several times a month that ‘we need another school shooting’_

my gut feeling is that Rs won't convict but who knows, with Trump out of power and banned from all social media (therefore unable to threaten anyone who votes against him) I think it becomes easier for Rs to just memory hole him and say "yeah I guess an insurrection was actually bad". Not saying it's likely but having him off Twitter for a couple weeks has done wonders. I don't see any reason to believe that Trump is going to become a political force after tomorrow - it's more likely he's just gonna fuck off forever to Florida and call into OANN every other day.

i'm suddenly getting tired of forecasting the future

AP reporting that 10 more National Guardsmen are now bounced from inauguration duties due to ties to right wing fringe groups. They join the 2 previously mentioned from earlier vetting.

good to see they took their oath seriously.

it seems like the capitol is super secure for tomorrow, which is great.

Cool, cool. Cool that they vetted these guys thoroughly in the first place before giving them guns.

lol @ this from CNN

President Trump received an unsettling warning on his final Saturday night in the White House.

Huddled for a lengthy meeting with his legal advisers, Trump was warned the pardons he once hoped to bestow upon his family and even himself would place him in a legally perilous position, convey the appearance of guilt and potentially make him more vulnerable to reprisals.

So, too, was Trump warned that pardons for Republican lawmakers who had sought them for their role in the Capitol insurrection would anger the very Senate Republicans who will determine his fate in an upcoming impeachment trial.

White House counsel Pat Cipollone and another attorney who represented Trump in his first impeachment trial, Eric Herschmann, offered the grave warnings as Trump, his daughter Ivanka and her husband Jared Kushner listened. Other lawyers joined by telephone. They all told Trump he should not pardon himself, his family or any GOP lawmakers in a prospective manner unless he was prepared to list specific crimes.

Cipollone and former Attorney General William Barr both warned Trump earlier this month they did not believe he should pardon himself, multiple sources familiar with the matter told CNN last week. Barr conveyed this position to Trump before resigning last month, sources say.

Trump continued to bring the matter up in the ensuing days, even after officials believed the issue was resolved. But the sobering meeting on Saturday evening at the White House seemed the idea to rest.

While Trump often discards advice he doesn't agree with — particularly coming from Cipollone, with whom he has a fractured relationship — the message Saturday resonated. The conversation spooked Trump in a way few others have, a person familiar with his reaction told CNN.

Now, Trump will leave office muted and disheartened at being unable to wield the power he has cherished most while president. Boxed in by his own actions that helped spark the riots at the Capitol, Trump finds himself constrained in a way he mostly avoided for his entire tenure.

His final batch of pardons, due later today, is expected to contain few of the controversial or outlandish criminals that have characterized his earlier use of his clemency powers.

Trump could still change his mind, and retains his sweeping clemency powers until noon on Wednesday. Trump continues to bring up pardons that aides one thought were off the table, including for former strategy Steve Bannon, leading to general uncertainty about whether Trump will continue adhering to his lawyers' advice.

But White House officials and others familiar with the matter describe a muted President, concerned about his pending impeachment trial and swirling legal problems, who was talked out of his long-discussed notions following the Capitol insurrection.

Several Republican lawmakers who are alleged to have been involved in the rally that preceded the deadly riot on the US Capitol have sought clemency from Trump before he leaves office, but after meeting with his legal advisers for several hours on Saturday, Trump decided he would not grant them, according to two people familiar with his plans.

The fear of legal exposure is not limited to Republicans who promoted or spoke at the rally, including Reps. Andy Biggs, Mo Brooks and Paul Gosar. Those who participated, organized and fundraised for it are also concerned, sources told CNN, including his eldest son Donald Trump Jr. and his girlfriend Kimberly Guilfoyle, who both spoke at the rally.

Top figures associated with the groups that helped organize it — including Women for America First and Turning Point Action, the political action committee arm of Turning Point USA — have also voiced private concern about legal repercussions, a person familiar tells CNN.

Several of Trump's closest advisers have also urged him not to grant clemency to anyone who breached the US Capitol, despite Trump's initial stance that those involved had done nothing wrong.

As CNN has previously reported, one of the top organizers of the movement that aimed to overturn the election results claimed he worked closely with Republican congressmen. Ali Alexander, a leader of the "Stop the Steal" group, said in several livestream videos he planned the rally with Gosar and two other congressional Republicans, Mo Brooks of Alabama and Andy Biggs of Arizona.

I mean why not just round up a contingent of random civilians and have them guard the inauguration? Seems like you might have roughly the same success rate wrt having mostly people who don't want to actively kill the incoming president.

boebert? i think you mean babe-ert

A new arrest today — a woman with a bullhorn at the Capitol turns out to be a business owner in Beverly Hills, CA who confirmed her attendance by tweet, posted video of herself, and gave a 2h interview about her participation to the Beverly Hills Courier. https://t.co/C7bii5N0kn pic.twitter.com/OwQUWbMMiB

— southpaw (@nycsouthpaw) January 19, 2021

xpost I feel you but we're talking 12 people out of 25,000

If you don't want the dude who organized the Stop the Steal rally to be pardoned, just show his picture to Trump

xxp wow

https://beverlyhillscourier.com/2021/01/14/beverly-hills-salon-owner-recounts-her-actions-in-d-c-riot/

is this *the* "bullhorn lady"?

having second thoughts about that link, sorry

“I was being portrayed on Yelp as a terrorist,” she said. “I wanted to clear my name. Everyone in Beverly Hills knows I’m not—I am a Christian.”

fucking lol

never apologize for that link, it is very lol

it is true

Bisignano said she called the FBI on the morning of Jan. 12, but was placed on hold and had to go to work before she spoke with anyone.

where is Ned to say "pobrecito"

Is there any scope to get right of presidential pardons altogether

It just seems like something an actual working country shouldnt have,

Includes this quote pic.twitter.com/YVNOQomYAI

— southpaw (@nycsouthpaw) January 19, 2021

/rid xp

sorry xpost

I mean sorry to her, I did not know she was a Christian, we're good now.

it's not THE bullhorn lady, it's *another* bullhorn lady.

thank you! good to clarify.

these people really fucked up trump's life, lol

it is so fucking sweet to watch them smash headfirst into the wall of consensus reality

I really wish they'd get *the* bullhorn lady because I expect it'll be hilarious

St Peter was a christian who denied his saviour too, story checks out

Loads of great quotes in that, but my favorite is “And I’m like, I didn’t know we were storming the Capitol. I should have dressed different.”

jesus how many bullhorn ladies were there

A: all of them

It’s pobrecita for a woman.

only 20, but everybody who heard them formed an angry mob

irl lols, thank u all

(suzy, noted! I shoulda caught that)

lmao

“We the people are not going to take it anymore. You are not going to take away our Trumpy-bear, you are not going to take away our votes and our freedom that I thank God for. This is 1776 and we the people will never give up. We will never let our country go to the globalists. George Soros, you can go to hell,” she adds.

fucking lol: the quickening