Enough With The Cutesy Titles, People Are Dead: US Politics January 2021 pt 2

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At the risk of stating the obvious not because he incited violence or tried to commit a coup, it's because he didn't succeed that he's finally losing some of the base. And they'll come roaring back in 2024 given the chance.

there's a missing ", it's" in there

idk not everything just stays the same, i mean donald trump didnt even exist five years ago

Sobering thought: the dip in approval probably includes a nonzero number of people who think he didn't fight hard enough to #stopthesteal. Or because he summoned

People for whom even Trump wasn't Trumpy enough

or what Dan I said xp

WaPo says The rioting criminal mob came within 60~ seconds of seeing Mike Pence on Jan. 6. And they were just 90 feet away from a small office where Pence was hiding, before a cop steered them away.

kinda wonder how things would be different if they'd gotten hold of him and/or the secret service just started killing people right and left

29% (Pew) is a pretty step fall off that is surely at least partly attributable to a violent coup attempt

...summoned the MAGA patriots and then told them not to kill anybody and to go home

trump lucked out that it didnt get more violent than it was

yet

well at least if there are further incidents they probably wont be directly precipitated by him, tho with ol donnie you never know

Xxxxxpost Crosstabs make it clear that it's more complicated than that. More than just his base voted for him.

For instance, 20% of Trump voters considered his post-election behavior poor, 34% said it was only "fair" in January, meaning most of his voters surveyed disapproved at least somewhat of his conduct, which was a definite decline from the same poll in December. Considering the fight he was putting up, at the time, I don't think that change can merely be attributed to "he failed".

By the same token, though, 64% of Republican voters think he really won the election. So what this poll proves is that some of his voters are jumping ship, but that as usual, Republicans tolerate corruption amongst their own.

yeah some of these accounts are making it sound like we really were close to actual lawmakers & congresspeople getting whacked

Remember when Al Franken resigned from the Senate because of a dumb photo? Ah, "good times".

Xxpost There's 20 pages of crosstabs which break it down to an extent.

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al franken resigned because of multiple credible reports of groping fwiw

Remember when Al Franken resigned from the Senate because of a dumb photo? Ah, "good times".

― Nhex,

He resigned because he groped a woman and more allegations awaited.

yeah some of these accounts are making it sound like we really were close to actual lawmakers & congresspeople getting whacked

― frogbs, Friday, January 15, 2021 10:28 AM bookmarkflaglink

I was legitimately afraid of this happening as I watched it unfold in real time. I'm glad I didn't know how close it was as things unfolded as I may have had a full-on meltdown.

i have a feeling in-person harassment of sitting Democratic Congresspeople (and Republicans who "didn't do enough") is going to be heightened for a long time. esp since unlike the President, they walk around pretty out in the open.

Remember when Al Franken resigned from the Senate because of a dumb photo? Ah, "good times".

― Nhex,

He resigned because he groped a woman and more allegations awaited.

― meticulously crafted, socially responsible, morally upsta (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn),

replace Al with Katie Hill and you have a better point

just because Republicans don't hold their own accountable, like, ever, doesn't mean we should do the same for our own folks (it does mean though that maybe we shouldn't eat them for minor incidents). I think the Franken resignation was the right call.

otm, in fact its essential that we hold our own accountable if we want to make the argument that people should be held accountable

If we're the party that supports women, POC, believes in expanding social services, etc, then, yeah, sorry, we gotta stick to our principles. To believe in foundations means to be perpetually on the defensive. Them's the breaks.

ugh. i didn't know about those other ones tbh

what would we have done re: franken had minnesota had a republican governor tho

luckily not a decision anyone had to make

let's not review that case anymore

just checked a. whitney brown's twitter and was relieved

Fun CNN article about his continued inability to acknowledge a non-Trump centric reality as the 21st nears.

does it say "increasingly isolated"? I hope not, it's a little early in the morning to have a shot

Inside the building, Trump has been weathering a second impeachment and growing isolation from his onetime allies in sullen desolation.

Asymptotically isolated

Trumpo’s Paradox

CORRECTION: An earlier version of this story misstated the year of the presidential election that Trump is contesting. It is the 2020 presidential election.

Increasingly insulated.

lol god damn it xp

insanely isolated

time for some game theory

Pew Poll: 62% of Dems say Biden should work with GOP “even if it means disappointing some of his voters.” About the same percent of Rs says GOP members should “stand up” to Biden, “even if it means it’s harder to address critical problems facing the country.”

— Liz Goodwin (@lizcgoodwin) January 15, 2021

Dems are marks

lol god damn it xp

― Überschadenfreude (sleeve), Friday, January 15, 2021 9:10 AM (nine minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

at least it's friday

gotta apologize guys - i was a respondent on that poll but i swear i thought they said "work over"

CORRECTION: An earlier version of this story misstated that Trump is 'isolated.' In fact, Trump is 'increasingly isolated'.

Increase Mather to thread!

I don't know how journalists can continue to use the phrase 'increasingly isolated' in good conscience or with a straight face.

haven't u heard of 'foreplay'

ha interesting

Holy shit: “When Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar announced this week that the federal government would begin releasing coronavirus vaccine doses held in reserve for second shots, no such reserve existed”https://t.co/pIBS0tMpcF

— Alex Leo (@AlexMLeo) January 15, 2021

Luke Mogelson in the New Yorker goes long on the Capitol riot and some of the Stop the Steal rallies that led up to it. Lots of detailed on-the-scene reporting. https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2021/01/25/among-the-insurrectionists

dear god

Re: that Pew Pew Pew poll, I've got to assume Biden's people see the same numbers and will advise caution when considering cooperation.

I couldn't make it through that NYer article. So much unfocused, STUPID rage.