Free as a Dodo: UK Politics Welcomes 2021

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Really doesn't make sense to do any shifts like this, the world in 2024 will be v different and perhaps far more hostile to austerity.


Exactly - and there's so little justification to do this so early anyway. If you want a point of clear differentation from the Tories that isn't Brexit ... well, there must be something else they're catastrophically mismanaging you could pick, surely.

stet, Wednesday, 13 January 2021 12:06 (five years ago)

He agrees that images of hampers being shared on Twitter are unacceptable.

Marcus m8 it's not the images that are unacceptable

nashwan, Wednesday, 13 January 2021 12:09 (five years ago)

Morning Call this morning makes the point that it would be a hell of a lot more efficient for the government to just give people the money directly and then they could buy the food themselves, rather than subcontracting people to buy the food, assemble hampers, deliver it, etc

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 13 January 2021 12:20 (five years ago)

Exactly - and there's so little justification to do this so early anyway. If you want a point of clear differentation from the Tories that isn't Brexit ... well, there must be something else they're catastrophically mismanaging you could pick, surely.
― stet, Wednesday, 13 January 2021 bookmarkflaglink

Having had a look at the convo and it seems the Starmer bench want to articulate progressive policy in opaque technocratic language so that it doesn't attract hostility from the press. Which is not Ed Balls though the political outcome has every chance of being so.

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 13 January 2021 12:26 (five years ago)

Who could have predicted this!

Keir Starmer challenges Johnson on why he was so slow to call for a lockdown. Boris Johnson points out Starmer wanted schools open for as long as Johnson did.

— Michael Walker (@michaeljswalker) January 13, 2021

scampish inquisition (gyac), Wednesday, 13 January 2021 12:28 (five years ago)

> Marcus m8 it's not the images that are unacceptable

also, calling them 'hampers' is taking the piss.

koogs, Wednesday, 13 January 2021 12:31 (five years ago)

Kieth is that forensic that he forgets what his position was last week

calzino, Wednesday, 13 January 2021 12:31 (five years ago)

Now free school meals. PM says Marcus Rashford is doing a better job at holding the government to account on these issues than Starmer.

— Sienna Rodgers (@siennamarla) January 13, 2021

lol!

calzino, Wednesday, 13 January 2021 12:32 (five years ago)

Someone tell me what the point of a 24/7 vaccination centre is again, why not just open more vaccination stations?

prize-winning marconi bakery (Matt #2), Wednesday, 13 January 2021 12:32 (five years ago)

If the goal is to get to max vax as fast as possible you want to be able to cater easily to people who can't fit in appointments 0800-2000, whether because of job, childcare, general fear of being out with the unmasked hordes, whatever. There are 3m odd night workers, who could get done on their breaks, etc.

Not sure the cost/benefit stacks up against the night-vaccinator being an additional person to help during the day shifts, but if you can find some of those who prefer nights/aren't able to work during the days then its win/win

stet, Wednesday, 13 January 2021 12:37 (five years ago)

My only beef with night vaccinations is that I am sure they don’t have the staff or the vaccinations, or they’d be doing this already. I’d be quite happy to get a vaccine in the middle of the night tbh?

scampish inquisition (gyac), Wednesday, 13 January 2021 12:38 (five years ago)

they should just run it like polling stations once sufficient vaccine is available

kites aren't fun (NickB), Wednesday, 13 January 2021 12:51 (five years ago)

Sir Keir is like an SAS sniper. Luring his target out of cover into the world, forcing him into a mistake and taking him down with a clean shot to the head #PMQs

— ᴀᴀʀᴏɴ ʙᴏᴡᴇʀ (@AaronBower) January 13, 2021

SAS Kieth with his spud gun

calzino, Wednesday, 13 January 2021 13:23 (five years ago)

sorry for dril tweet but... there's always a dril tweet

the sniper lifestyle requires perfect animal instincts and also smoking. dont join my sniper squad if u havent forsaken humanity& dont smoke

— wint (@dril) September 9, 2013

Sven Vath's scary carpet (Neil S), Wednesday, 13 January 2021 13:25 (five years ago)

Aaron Bower getting a savage ratioing for that thirsty thirsty tweet

Uptown Top Scamping (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 13 January 2021 13:56 (five years ago)

I would imagine some volunteer staff might be better placed to give vaccines at non-working times as well. If they finish their 60+ hours of online training...

kinder, Wednesday, 13 January 2021 13:58 (five years ago)

Johnson says he is not happy with them. He thanks Marcus Rashford for highlighting the problem. He claim Rashford is doing a better job at holding him to account than Starmer.

There it is. The actual PM getting one over on the LOTO for government failings.

nashwan, Wednesday, 13 January 2021 14:01 (five years ago)

"Frankly Mr Speaker when I asked Mr Rashford how many children I have, I have to say his guesstimate was far closer than that of my right honourable friend's."

nashwan, Wednesday, 13 January 2021 14:02 (five years ago)

Morning Call this morning makes the point that it would be a hell of a lot more efficient for the government to just give people the money directly and then they could buy the food themselves, rather than subcontracting people to buy the food, assemble hampers, deliver it, etc

― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 13 January 2021 12:20 (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

Somewhat missing the point. Govt spending dictated by the actual govt is about ensuring the correct contracts get awarded rather than efficient provision of services.

Thats the meat of the scandal because the actual visible output in terms of the food provided speaks volumes for itself

Ole Blueyes Solskjaer (darraghmac), Wednesday, 13 January 2021 14:03 (five years ago)

There has been a debate about cash-in-hand because furlough money has been an universal transfer of payment to those that might have lost their livelihoods

The govt is about, insofar that it's about anything, about ticking things over for business and generating growth for their donors. Anything else -- like food for those that need it -- gets little to no oversight.

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 13 January 2021 14:17 (five years ago)

Via 🔐, it seems that the answer to the question all the econometricians were asking about "how can this be an additive rather than multiplicative factor" is "it wasn't" https://t.co/5NZhwxUJ51

— Dan Davies (@dsquareddigest) January 13, 2021

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 13 January 2021 14:17 (five years ago)

I saw that too, but not familiar with the embedded source to see if it’s legit?

scampish inquisition (gyac), Wednesday, 13 January 2021 14:18 (five years ago)

the voucher system reminds me of how the Family Trust Fund went to shit. At the start of this decade if you had a disabled child in your family you could apply for a pretty generous one-off annual payment towards a holiday, a home improvement or just basically anything that improves their life in some way. The last time I could apply for it it had degenerated into a voucher sytem and that you can only use at one specific retailer and it was restricted to whatever dud items the (no doubt tory donor owned) retailer was wanting to get shut of.

calzino, Wednesday, 13 January 2021 14:24 (five years ago)

I think the debate will go on, is my takeaway xp

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 13 January 2021 14:24 (five years ago)

I'm a bit of a new variant sceptic or at least I think it has been cynically used as a cover for the govt's ham-fisted handling of the pandemic since autumn, well since it started to be more accurate.

calzino, Wednesday, 13 January 2021 14:28 (five years ago)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Erm8mXUXEAABDgf?format=jpg&name=large
I didn’t think Kate Hoey was notably interested in the constitutional position of NI? Also, it’s not a province, ghoul.

scampish inquisition (gyac), Wednesday, 13 January 2021 15:02 (five years ago)

47,525 new COVID19 positive cases, and 1,564 deaths within 28 days of a positive test, have been reported today across the UK.

calzino, Wednesday, 13 January 2021 16:33 (five years ago)

And Keith has been owned by Boris

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 13 January 2021 16:36 (five years ago)

Cases by specimen date at least are down from the 70-80k reported on a couple of recent days. However where I am has been rising and rising recently with no signs of getting over the peak. (I remember when cases approaching 5k was worrying :( )

Some of the highest death days (by date of death) about a week or so ago are 800+ and still rising.

kinder, Wednesday, 13 January 2021 16:37 (five years ago)

Almost one in 660 people in the UK have died from Covid or Covid-related causes so far during the pandemic. The UK now has one of the worst Covid mortality rates in the world, at 151 per 100,000 people, ahead of the US, Spain and Mexico where there are 116, 113 and 108 deaths per 100,000 people respectively.

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 13 January 2021 16:38 (five years ago)

It's from this:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jan/13/uk-coronavirus-deaths-pass-100000

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 13 January 2021 16:40 (five years ago)

xp 2,639,309 vaccines as of yesterday though.

Christ it's depressing isn't it? I had a friend in Germany who was letting me know what they were doing in the first wave and it was so much better managed with relatively few deaths.

kinder, Wednesday, 13 January 2021 16:42 (five years ago)

have you seen the death toll for new zealand (25) or taiwan (1/3rd population of uk, 7 deaths total)?

koogs, Wednesday, 13 January 2021 16:54 (five years ago)

I have now!

kinder, Wednesday, 13 January 2021 17:03 (five years ago)

hitting six figures in deaths even after fucking with the stats so that people who died with covid outwith four weeks of diagnosis is some achievement, well done uk

you are like a scampicane, there's calm in your fries (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 13 January 2021 17:43 (five years ago)

er, deaths outwith four weeks don’t count, I meant to say

you are like a scampicane, there's calm in your fries (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 13 January 2021 17:44 (five years ago)

Well done us

prize-winning marconi bakery (Matt #2), Wednesday, 13 January 2021 17:46 (five years ago)

Feel like we might have 3000+ deaths per day before the end of the month at this rate, while Tories brag about the vaccination rate.

nashwan, Wednesday, 13 January 2021 18:01 (five years ago)

ONS still records it by death cert but there's more of a lag.

kinder, Wednesday, 13 January 2021 19:00 (five years ago)

great

Keir Starmer is set to have a weekly column in The Telegraph

Via @Independent pic.twitter.com/VluRdHNCbQ

— Politics For All (@PoliticsForAlI) January 13, 2021

scampish inquisition (gyac), Wednesday, 13 January 2021 20:37 (five years ago)

hmmm wonder what message this sends out

Uptown Top Scamping (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 13 January 2021 20:51 (five years ago)

It's almost as if ...

Mark G, Wednesday, 13 January 2021 20:54 (five years ago)

having the option of voting for one of two Tory parties, the fucking LibDems or whatever Farage's latest grift is - the state of UK parliamentary democracy in 2021

calzino, Wednesday, 13 January 2021 20:59 (five years ago)

Can't be a banana republic if you can't actually redeem the banana

One thing I touched on with the Prime Minister was ways to course correct on the voucher scheme. If families can't access food consistently likelihood is they do not have access to a printer to print the vouchers at home. @10DowningStreet agreed to look into this.

— Marcus Rashford MBE (@MarcusRashford) January 13, 2021

nashwan, Wednesday, 13 January 2021 21:03 (five years ago)

Who the fuck has a printer these days anyway? Well maybe everybody idk but I haven't had one for over ten years.

Kier would be twenty points ahead if he was leading the Conservative Party

calzino, Wednesday, 13 January 2021 21:06 (five years ago)

Really doesn't make sense to do any shifts like this, the world in 2024 will be v different and perhaps far more hostile to austerity.


i thought her speech was pretty good?

continuation of john mcdonnell’s fiscal rules, sensible view that low inflation is baked in in the near term, and that debt can be paid back over the long term. ensuring sustainability is a scoring measurement for investment, and investment is based on infrastructure designed to benefit wider economy. there’s some tonal stuff about managing spending better than what i would call the pork barrel politics of the tories, but on the whole unless i’m misreading something it seems to be doing what you’re asking for?

Fizzles, Wednesday, 13 January 2021 21:10 (five years ago)

I'm a bit of a new variant sceptic or at least I think it has been cynically used as a cover for the govt's ham-fisted handling of the pandemic since autumn, well since it started to be more accurate.


some grist to your mill calz

https://healthpolicy-watch.news/increase-covid-cases-not-due-variant-who/

Fizzles, Wednesday, 13 January 2021 21:10 (five years ago)

Dodds is still banging on about caution and reminding us all that the zero interest rates won't last forever, maybe true but I get the feeling some of these wankers are so fond of making "difficult decisions" they'll make them long before that happens and she needs to stop talking the Tory line on New Labour - that they were fiscally irresponsible - it's a pointless self own and a lie.

calzino, Wednesday, 13 January 2021 21:17 (five years ago)

Did you listen to any of those Carney Grief Lectures on R4 Fizzles? Economists and bankers these days often find ways of saying fuck all with plenty of words, but this mediocre cunt is like some malfunctioning corporate AI bot that is scared it might self-destruct if it says something original or interesting.

calzino, Wednesday, 13 January 2021 21:52 (five years ago)

it's my own fault for listening of course

calzino, Wednesday, 13 January 2021 22:14 (five years ago)


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