And Sleepy Joe Will Get The Credit: US Politics January 2021

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well sounds like a cue for other bodies to pick up on things.
THough it could also be taht he is just so non-U and gauche taht he doesn't make the grade. i.e. snobbery not a recognition of what he's actually about.

“The way he handled himself in the last 60 days has tarnished his reputation and his ability to be a future leader — and by botching the Georgia Senate races, his entire economic agenda is about to get overturned by the Senate,” longtime Republican strategist Scott Reed said. “He’s really gone backwards like no one ever would have imagined.”

to be clear, the only surprise here is that this catastrophic failure didn't happen in 2017

when they aren't being hosed down 24/7 with conspiratorial sewage from every source from which they get their 'news'.

I don't understand why you expect this to stop? I just saw a clip of Jeanine Piro on Fox News saying the Parler shutdown is "Kristallnacht" while the Friends all nodded sagely

Ugh, someone else called it "Kristallnacht" on Twitter yesterday, forget who. This is definitely going to be a "thing" they run with that certainly is going to keep tempers inflamed.

Think the maga-crowd just learned that word because Schwarzenegger used it.

Theyre using it because it was trending against their interests id imagine

they're using it because they are massive babies who've never suffered in their lives and as much as this whole thing is horrendous bad faith, a few of these fuckers might actually believe that their dumb social media drama is comparable to the inciting event of one of the deadliest genocides in human history.

to be fair none of these people have ever been forced to suffer the consequences of their own actions before

I don't understand why you expect this to stop? I just saw a clip of Jeanine Piro on Fox News saying the Parler shutdown is "Kristallnacht" while the Friends all nodded sagely

― rob, Monday, January 11, 2021 10:21 AM (six minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

i guess the one hope is that facebook, where most of these people get their loony bullshit, and the other big platforms get serious about moderating misinformation, there is obvs a huge purge happening now but well see if its just business as usual after this all dies down

A close friend's mom, deranged by Trump, left Facebook because it was "too liberal." She's on Twitter now.

welcome to the big leagues mom

that's true: platforms deciding this threatens them economically could precipitate some big changes, though genuinely rigorous moderation would be a HUGE and expensive shift for facebook. Still, there's a reason Tucker Carlson and Sean Hannity keep getting floated as possible trump successors (whether or not you think it's likely they enter electoral politics). Podcasts seem like a potential trouble spot too in terms of moderation challenges

I stopped using interstate highways because they're too liberal, I only sprint across fields and farms now

I don't understand why you expect this to stop? I just saw a clip of Jeanine Piro on Fox News saying the Parler shutdown is "Kristallnacht" while the Friends all nodded sagely

― rob, Monday, January 11, 2021 9:21 AM (twelve minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

I don't expect it to stop, but with various social media platforms taking a big hit and, as noted above, at least some media outlets trying to nip this shit in the bud, it will at least hopefully not be quite as omnipresent.

Or what lagoon said.

man I really hope the future isn't just alternating ends of the political spectrum delighting in the other getting owned while everything gets worse at varying speeds

though genuinely rigorous moderation would be a HUGE and expensive shift for facebook.

― rob, Monday, January 11, 2021 10:35 AM (one minute ago) bookmarkflaglink

i dont theyd actually need to do genuinely rigorous moderation to be effective tho, just playing wack a mole with the big accounts would work, which is what were seeing this week, the various moms who are sharing q stuff with their freinds didnt get banned, but the accounts who put that stuff in to the ecosystem did

I do wonder if repealing Section 230 would've ironically done damage to these right wing sites by making them liable to lawsuits

and then with targeting the providers who host etc the smaller hardcore places where this stuff originates, chans parler etc, i think you have a recipe for disrupting this shit if theres will to stick with it

man I really hope the future isn't just alternating ends of the political spectrum delighting in the other getting owned while everything gets worse at varying speeds

Hate to break it to you, but…

repealing section 230 wouldve shut down facebook and everyone else

Frank Luntz, a veteran GOP pollster, conducted a focus group the night after the Capitol attack with 12 Trump voters from 11 different states. He said they fell into three camps: those who believe the fact that President-elect Joe Biden won the election and think it’s time Trump move on; those who think it was stolen from Trump but he still should move on; and those who think it was stolen and Trump should continue to fight.

This guy's role in the deterioration of our politics in the last thirty years is insidious. His enthusiasm for distorting the language we use to disuss ideas is reprehensible, and imo should render his "studies" worthless....in any case I don't think his bullshit deserves circulation here.

No need for the freakout. I wanted to share how this pustule and his lab rats have responded.

they mad lol

Didn't someone post a zoom chat of that guy and his interviewees recently?

It's good man, not freaking out, I'm just saying there's no way to take anything out of his stupid focus groups

agreed

man I really hope the future isn't just alternating ends of the political spectrum delighting in the other getting owned while everything gets worse at varying speeds

News at 11 tbf

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idk, I mean what if the "big accounts" move to Whatsapp as has happened in other parts of the world? I hear what you're saying though and I hope you're right; obvs FB doing like *a tiny bit* more would be preferable and possibly significant.

The right-wing take on Sec 230 makes nooo sense whatsoever lol, they clearly have no idea what it says, without it all platforms would be pinterest (I'm assuming pinterest is still v wholesome)

fwiw big accounts are on whatapp in the rest of the world cause thats what popular there, but theres no reason they cant do the same on whatsapp too

To the Dems and media trying hard to somehow tie Wednesday's shameful acts of violence in the Capitol to the intentions and motivation of tens of millions of other Americans - just stop.

— Lee Zeldin (@RepLeeZeldin) January 11, 2021

It's an incredible double standard when those who failed to condemn violence in Seattle, Portland, Chicago, Kenosha, DC, NY, etc become holier than thou. Or when suddenly, 1/6 objections used by Dems to object to every GOP presidential win in the past generation is now treason.

— Lee Zeldin (@RepLeeZeldin) January 11, 2021

Wed’s violence was terrible, but some people need to take a deep breadth and look in the mirror. Those who committed acts of violence in the Capitol must be held accountable, but Dems and media eager to use Wed to settle political scores would only be dividing our country more.

— Lee Zeldin (@RepLeeZeldin) January 11, 2021

Sir, you dropped these pic.twitter.com/OE6vlNXXKs

— DJP (@djperry1973) January 11, 2021

btw was very interesting the rapidity with which these sites nuked the q people, they couldve done it easily any time

I consider it an empirical fact that I am holier than Lee Zeldin and I am, to be frank, not even that holy

btw was very interesting the rapidity with which these sites nuked the q people, they couldve done it easily any time

― lag∞n, Monday, 11 January 2021 15:52 (five seconds ago) bookmarkflaglink

No trump had the nuke codes until the afternoon of 6th iirc

*takes deep breadth*

Noice

I want a therough investigation of this guy's spelling.

kudos DJP

man am i already sick and tired of the "would only divide our country more" rhetoric; where was this argument for the past four years?

Because there wasn't the risk of being held accountable until now. These guys are absolutely terrified by the thought of being forced to vote on the record, it's a lose-lose situation for the GOP members. If they vote with the Dems, they will be haunted and hunted by deranged Trumpers and very likely primaried by someone even further right. If they vote to save Trump, they are handing their Dem opponents attack ads for the next election.

Also they've been using this rhetoric forever

Now is the time for healing
It's not the time for kneeling
The orange one is peeling
The FBI are reeling
them in

short of a civil war I can't imagine anything more divisive than literally alleging a nationwide election was stolen from you without any evidence whatsoever. Dems need to push this every time the whole "lets not divide our country further" line comes up.

dems have been willing suckers for this shit forever so why not give it a shot

Basically anything the GOP tuts and vehemently alleges we shouldn't do is probably something we should undertake with all due haste.

^

I don't understand why you expect this to stop?

I don't think it'll stop per se but I'm hopeful that not having the President be a stark mad conspiracy theorist who dehumanzies liberals in place of having a coherent worldview will tamp down the situation some. He really was an radical extremist which (further) legitimized and elevated the loony contingent of his party. With him gone maybe the whole "when Donald wished you into that cornfield, it was a GOOD thing" apparatus erected around him, the need for every other republican official and media member to play along with his lies and delusions, might fade.

Lee Zeldin is my congressman and I saw him debate the D candidate a couple years back - I got the sense from his smug dickhead responses he was the kind of kid bullied growing up and took away the wrong lessons from it.

one of the great, underrated PR tricks the GOP has used to devastating effect particularly under karl rove is some variation on the following

- tell this press 'this is how we're going to paint the democratic nominee. we're going to call him weak on defence, and we're going to portray his as an out-of-touch metropolitan elite.'

- proceed to do exactly what they say they're going to do

this has the effect of priming the press corps for the message, gets them all talking amongst themselves at how brazen you are, and puts the ball in the court of the attackee to prove they're NOT those things, and suddenly that's what the conversation is about

it's really not that fucking hard