And Sleepy Joe Will Get The Credit: US Politics January 2021

there is literally no possible roll of the dice that ends in a massacre of white people

Easy to be blasé that far from the brits

i'm basically anti-murder, here's why

I actually can’t imagine the effect of the national guard killing hundreds of Americans on US soil in a matter of minutes, I think they’d basically be fighting a full scale counterinsurgency against the distributed force of the militia movement hours later, with anyone who doesn’t desert.

Ok step back from massacre- if you think it would be labelled that in the circs? -and turn it into counterprotest tactics as seen all last year for instance

Xp to silby yes, go on

War-crimey counterprotest tactics such as deploying tear gas and blast balls don’t really stop protests nor do they protect anything from anyone, but they might protect the seat of government from armed insurgents who are actually little peepants freaks.

Xpost militia would label it a massacre if one person died of heat stroke.

They're already out there complaining that BLM got more favorable treatment (bout lost my shit the first time i saw that)

Only five people died in the so-called 1770 Boston Massacre and see where that led

Yeah the brits like i said but listen the dynamics here are surely a little different

For one thing, when xpost Jan. 17 is going to incl. demonstrations at all state capitols, supposedly, and quite possibly a replay of/advancement on what's already happened in Michigan and Georgia (where Sec of State has had to be escorted by security forces), as well as another promised DC assault---it's just too decentralized for a few decisive confrontations, or it may be---also, violence tends just to become violence---also, well shit you know more about than we do, re the Brits and the Irish, on and on and on, though not forever (altho Brexit)

(Also recent events in Oregon etc etc etc)

if im a politician im investing in a normal guy costume about now

I meant to refer to recent assault on the Governor's Mansion grounds in Oregon as yet another example of something that might get replayed/advanced on) Also second forks on against murder, which gets more likely with streetsweeping bullets.

And, you know, friendly fire, shit happens all kinds of ways etc.

I really wish Joe wasn't still insisting on being sworn in "on the steps of the Capitol," is that right?!

Yeah the brits like i said but listen the dynamics here are surely a little different

The dynamics as happened were cops getting overwhelmed by a bunch of freaks, one cop dying, guns drawn and pointed at the freaks. The public reaction has largely been defined by the insurgents 'winning.' If any had been shot outside or more shot inside, sympathy for the freaks would be huge.

If the powers that be had called in the National Guard the night before and lined them up on the steps like it was a BLM protest, things would have been much better probably, yes.

the tree of the dog sipping the coffee and saying "this is fine" in the room on fire must, every now and then, be watered with the coffee of joe biden on the steps of the capitol saying "this is fine"

Ok thks guys carry on

What’s the gambit here?

Basically a full-court press to try to take Trump out of office by any means available. The more support it gets, the weaker his position. If his own party only rejects the 25th amendment/impeachment measures, it amps up pressure in the Republican caucuses to join calls for him to resign. It's worth shooting every arrow in the quiver right now, while the anger at Trump is fresh.

if im a politician im investing in a normal guy costume about now

hit up Kelly Loeffler's etsy

xxxp Yes, National Guard w/o shooting people could have been much better.
Think Joe on the steps is being foolhardy at best: he's not just one man, he's the Presidency, and what about all the other lives that would be endangered.

Kamala needs to give him the talk.

theyve got a vice president, there are plenty of people willing to do the job, its not a big deal

The symbolism of Joe ducking out of a normal inauguration would not be helpful in the "emboldening the fascists" department. The Secret Service knows how to tighten down the screws against an assassination on such occasions. Biden will go ahead. Kamala should be discreet in her public exposure that day.

Cant imagine kamala being overly motivated tbf

Therell be no hidin from joe biden send to tshirt print tshirt

Ya I think Biden should push for Cap steps inaug but if Secret Service doesn't think they can ensure it be safe then it should be moved

Hey Proud Boys and MAGA “Patriots”... what the fuck is it that this country hasn’t given you? pic.twitter.com/AC53tAW2gs

— Corey “The Buttercream Dream” Forrester (@CoreyRForrester) January 8, 2021

The typical profile involves under-education, under-employment, but I know some who are fairly well-off retirees (that's why they're in the diner, waiting for the NYTimes again).

But also some really are hurting, poor and fucked up in various ways. Middle-aged /anxious crazy and still working is another (all of this complicated by covid etc. and adaptation/identity problems)

it's just too decentralized for a few decisive confrontations

this, the USA is big, 5x the people and 40x the area compared to UK (iirc)

Yeah, xp anxious-to-crazy, I meant.

A hostage situation or three, or taking over a building, could be a decisive confrontation. Someone suggested that our next few years could resemble The Troubles, with some bombs and some kidnappings as just a part of life.

We're already used to mass shootings, so ...

Used to lone gunmen, but not consistent bombings with a cause behind them.

lets spice things up

Are there biker gangs in this whole fascist kaffeeklatsch? it seems like there would be, but i haven't heard a lot about it beyond some "Bikers for Trump" type stuff.

what's the sons of anarchy position

you know the biker gang from sons of anarchy, the sons of anarchy

biker gangs have their own crimes to worry about

"lets spice things up"

Lmbo

The Hell’s Angels have been Republicans since Nixon.

Saw this posted somewhere:

"We now know that Trump actually wanted the National Guard deployed against hypothetical counter protestors. He really thought he could order the national guard to protect his terrorists.

When he found out he couldn't, he refused to deploy the guard at all. That's why they bypassed him in the end."

Anyone know of a source for this info??

Whats the actual downside to armed forces drawing on and wiping out hordes of q protestors/trumpists/shady scary military looking dudes with cable ties

― Daz White (darraghmac), Sunday, January 10, 2021 9:20 PM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

god I mean I would never want such a thing to happen but if you think about it having a bunch of fashes eat it on national TV might be just the thing to force a real national conversation about police violence

is no one going to give corey's buttercream dream some love?

Granny - https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-mulled-using-national-guard-to-protect-capitol-protesters-nyt-2021-1

Gracias

this story is riling me the fuck up. not new but I can't stop thinking about it

https://news.yahoo.com/day-riot-capitol-people-received-143721095.html

not sure how much more evidence of a coup you're likely to find if that's true

(the national guard thing, but not not the one just above me)