And Sleepy Joe Will Get The Credit: US Politics January 2021

Wilson's people bypassed VP Thomas Marshall entirely, let Edith Wilson run the show.

Maybe we should let Mother Pence run the joint.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D0nMzHjMR8

More like https://images.kerrangcdn.com/DanzigMother.jpg?auto=compress&fit=crop&w=1200

https://i.ibb.co/9rrMY9P/psycho8.jpg

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQGemY0AhYaSNml3hBpiWxDARui0pbAjI-Fcg&usqp=CAU

https://static.independent.co.uk/2020/12/09/09/newFile-4.jpg?width=982&height=726

re the question of are people coming to our homes with guns good piece from a couple months ago with historical context on periods of low level political violence, one of which we may already be in

If proud boys and vigilantes can’t pull off a coordinated drive for power, they may opt for a time-honored approach in democratic politics: the “strategy of tension.” The term was coined in Italy during the Years of Lead from the late 1960s to the 1980s, when political violence exploded, with bombings, kidnappings, and failed coups making weekly headlines.

https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/09/30/america-years-of-lead-political-violence-trump-election

That would be troubling

tip o' the cap

PGA will strip Trump Bedminster of 2022 PGA Championship, insider says https://t.co/B5ecyuAXzr

— Jake Sherman (@JakeSherman) January 10, 2021

BLOOMBERG: Marriott Suspends Donations to Senators Who Opposed Vote Result https://t.co/O7KRacUuOO pic.twitter.com/z5anuvPCUt

— Judd Legum (@JuddLegum) January 10, 2021

There's a really dumb tendency in this country to think "everything is different here from everywhere else, that stuff doesn't happen here and even if it does it's not the same thing." American exceptionalism isn't just for conservative pundits.

"It's not a coup attempt, they had funny hats and took selfies"

Lmao yes

Poll for DC people: You get statehood, but on the condition that the state is renamed “Manchinstan.”

Do you take that deal?

— Dave Weigel (@daveweigel) January 10, 2021

This cuts both ways, ie “stuff that works well elsewhere would never work here” xp

That last part. What exactly ARE they saying. "We're putting things in boxes because that's what people do in January against the rest of the winter cold"?

The fact that she hasn’t done anything - not even tweeted her condolences - says everything. The move out has been done in secret. The chief usher has made contact w/Biden team. It’s all kept secret b/c of threats of firing if the words packing/moving are spoken.@Olivianuzzi https://t.co/cssjgwn0Zz

— Kate Andersen Brower (@katebrower) January 10, 2021

Lol the cop who misdirected the mob is named Eugene GOODMAN. Script writers a lil too on the nose once again.

why would trump care about brands and media working with him? US presidents get paid indefinitely, don't they? plus he is old. he probably already has life insurance so he can give whatever amount of money to his children

understandably, impeaching and/or convicting him is what matters most, i think

Trump is not going to maintain his lifestyle on the Presidential pension

xp his entire sense of self-worth is based on net worth

it will hurt him bad

one expert in a Belgian newspaper (yeah, I know) says impeaching Trump would only rile up his followers even more.

so... he should get away with it?

no

v tired of worrying what will "rile up his supporters even more" like I'm dealing with a drunk abusive dad or something

...It is also not necessary to characterize the events that transpired as an insurrection, which may strike some as an exaggeration, when the behavior of those who attacked the Capitol fit the federal crime of “seditious conspiracy” (which actually carries twice the ten-year sentence of insurrection). This crime is committed whenever two or more people conspire “by force to seize, take, or possess any property of the United States,” which is exactly what took place on Wednesday. Also, those who attacked the Capitol did so with the explicit purpose of preventing Congress from carrying out its legal duty to certify the election, thus committing another form of seditious conspiracy: conspiring “by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States.”
Because “seditious conspiracy” perfectly describes the crimes committed on January 6, why not make the straightforward charge that Trump was a party to this conspiracy? Someone can be considered part of a criminal conspiracy even if they did not know “all the details of the crime or all of the members of the conspiracy,” as long as they shared the general objective of the conspiracy, which could be stated in this case as simply as: to use force or the threat of force to prevent Congress and the vice president from counting and announcing certified electoral votes for president on the date and at the time set by law.

Charging Trump with being a party to seditious conspiracy eliminates any First Amendment arguments that he was merely making a speech to a public gathering or expressing his opinion that the election results were tainted by fraud...
https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2021/01/10/trump-impeachment-articles-incite-insurrection-seditious-conspiracy-456937

That last part. What exactly ARE they saying. "We're putting things in boxes because that's what people do in January against the rest of the winter cold"?

🐦[The fact that she hasn’t done anything - not even tweeted her condolences - says everything. The move out has been done in secret. The chief usher has made contact w/Biden team. It’s all kept secret b/c of threats of firing if the words packing/moving are spoken.@Olivianuzzi🕸 https://t.co/cssjgwn0Zz🕸
— Kate Andersen Brower (@katebrower) January 10, 2021🕸]🐦

Back to the earlier question of why the next major violent rallies could be next Sunday (as Twitter mentioned when banning Trump), I realized that next Monday is MLK Day, so there could be a multi-day chain of events and occupations between Sunday and Inauguration Day.

why would trump care about brands and media working with him? US presidents get paid indefinitely, don't they? plus he is old. he probably already has life insurance so he can give whatever amount of money to his children

Turns out the presidential pension is 219000. He’ll get a book deal from someone (not a real publisher any more. It will have to be some self published thing.)

They won’t hang his portrait. He won’t get an airport or a federal building.

welp the top post on the reddit front page is a long video showing the rioters killing the Capitol police officer. avoid reddit (or block r/publicfreakout)

_That last part. What exactly ARE they saying. "We're putting things in boxes because that's what people do in January against the rest of the winter cold"?

🐦[The fact that she hasn’t done anything - not even tweeted her condolences - says everything. The move out has been done in secret. The chief usher has made contact w/Biden team. It’s all kept secret b/c of threats of firing if the words packing/moving are spoken.@Olivianuzzi🕸 https://t.co/cssjgwn0Zz🕸🕸
— Kate Andersen Brower (@katebrower) January 10, 2021🕸]🐦_


I don’t understand these tweets.

Turns out the presidential pension is 219000. He’ll get a book deal from someone (not a real publisher any more. It will have to be some self published thing.)

They won’t hang his portrait. He won’t get an airport or a federal building.

v tired of worrying what will "rile up his supporters even more" like I'm dealing with a drunk abusive dad or something

― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Sunday, 10 January 2021 18:40 (thirteen minutes ago)

Impeachment will prevent him from running again, too, iirc. I assume he will still campaign for other assholes, he'll probably break a lot of rules/laws doing that, too.

Trump is tens if not hundreds of millions in debt, I could live like a king off 219k a year but that's not going to do a whole lot for him

We should definitely worry about hurting the feelings of the people who just invaded the Capitol. Come with me to this Midwestern diner ...

fair points

i forgot that his debt is estimated at one billion dollars

Impeachment is cool, no downside

The only potential downside to conviction (that is, the Senate role) is an admittedly horseracey strategic one.

A Trump who can't run again is an influencer and a kingmaker. MAGA nation will evaluate potential candidates based on their Trumpiness or lack of Trumpiness. The dynamic of the primary electorate skews in their direction.

However a Trump who CAN legally run again? And who has declared that he will? That is comedy gold. No candidate who wants to court the base would dare oppose him. That would freeze the field.

What I love about Twitter is you can go on here and watch a guy who is considered one of the smartest and most serious right wing pundits get absolutely destroyed by the guy that made Sausage Party pic.twitter.com/E71pPHMGny

— Wild Geerters (@classiclib3ral) January 10, 2021

Impeachment II: Electoral Boogaloo

the one fallback trump has as far as his finances is just to liquidate his holdings but being a real estate tycoon is his identity so idk

This Arnold video is something. The part at the end where he gets going about the sword is bonkers.

My message to my fellow Americans and friends around the world following this week's attack on the Capitol. pic.twitter.com/blOy35LWJ5

— Arnold (@Schwarzenegger) January 10, 2021

I’m working on a story about White House-rioter contact.

Bottom line, there was. https://t.co/bog7d8XJHq

— Andrew Feinberg (@AndrewFeinberg) January 10, 2021

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/01/10/trump-2024-campaign-456692

He began backing off the idea after learning that running would require him to release a new round of financial documents that would make him vulnerable to his ongoing criminal and civil investigations and lawsuits, according to two Republicans close to Trump.

Then came last week.

In interviews, more than half a dozen Republicans who had supported or worked for Trump say the president isn’t likely to run again, though he may tease it. If Trump changes his mind again and chooses to run, some said they would urge him not to, while others hope he’d be talked out of it.

“I think nothing is going to happen,” said a Trump friend. “He won’t be around in 2024. He’s not going to run. He’s going to fuck around and say he’s going to run. … He’ll tease. I don’t think he’s ever going to say ‘I won’t run.’ He just won’t run."

v tired of worrying what will "rile up his supporters even more" like I'm dealing with a drunk abusive dad or something

― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Sunday, January 10, 2021 1:40 PM (forty-five minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

Rep. Peter Meijer (R-Mich.)—the Republican who won the seat previously held by Justin Amash—tells Reason some House Republicans who voted to reject the election results knew they were lying about the election but worried about the safety of their families. https://t.co/Nl3hTFbIeM pic.twitter.com/7FV44XhOEk
— JM Rieger (@RiegerReport) January 10, 2021

― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Sunday, January 10, 2021 1:55 AM (twelve hours ago)

turns out "we don't negotiate with terrorists" because we just do what they demand

He’s going to fuck around and say he’s going to run. … He’ll tease. I don’t think he’s ever going to say ‘I won’t run.’ He just won’t run."

Right, which is in line with not conceding but (at some point) standing down from actively contesting.

I still think far too many people overestimate Trump's support. When it's polled, it's not possible to separate support for him from support for whichever warm body is currently de facto head of Republican party. So many people dislike him but like tax cuts, the fantasy of overturning roe v Wade, the seating of conservative judges, etc etc. Him being an utterly heinous human and an incompetent executive is as much evidence that millions will support whomever is the R candidate as much as it is (or moreso) evidence that Trump's cult of personality supercedes all.

A Trump who can't run again is an influencer and a kingmaker

Lol even if Ivanka or Junior were running he wouldn’t do a single campaign event for them

yeah I think that's fair. I've known indifferent trump voters and "hold their nose" trump voters. But at some point, you know, nazis next door and all that.

*an incompetent executive yet still nearly winning reelection…

Anyway, I still want every Trump loyalist who has been waiting in the wings for Trump to exit the stage to... wait longer.

Pence, Cruz, Haley, Hawley, Noem, Rubio? Yeah if Trump is still an option for the base, sorry u are fuct.

If you so much as form an exploratory committee or visit Iowa you will see MAGAnauts descend on your white ass like vengeful locusts. Enjoy.

I think the jury's still out on whether deeply indebted, potentially criminally prosecuted, disgraced trump, turning 75 years old this year, continues to be much of a force or not. He could be a rush limbaugh type figure. I'm sure he could still command followers, but it's inevitably going to be smaller. People are drawn to power and he's about to lose a lot of it.