And Sleepy Joe Will Get The Credit: US Politics January 2021

I think people in this thread should take a moment and think about why an unambiguous "more White people should be under surveillance" statement from a Black man turned into a discussion about how White people can't be surveilled because it would hurt Black people, therefore we must find another solution that protects White people from being surveilled.

Like, even in the realm of hypothetical venting you guys protect yourselves. Allies don't exist.

xpost he's a terrible taintflap with shitty hair

Shower WV with pork barrel projects, who cares, frankly the state needs an infusion of everything and it's money well spent on almost everything except the coal industry.

we can re-fund his butt

What is the upside for Manchin to do this? His constituents aren't exactly rolling in dough at this point.

needs to get socked right in the manchin

i may be totally misunderstanding lagoon here, but there is no standard definition of terrorism. but as i have understood it, at least since i became a leading expert on the topic by taking a course on it in college and then never thinking about it again for the last 15 years:

terrorism almost always includes a political objective. it's not terror for the sake of terror. it's terror for the sake of a political objective. again, i may have completely misread lagoon upthread, sorry if i did.

― Karl Malone, Friday, January 8, 2021 1:05 PM (five minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

yeah i mean theres no one official definition but it was always understood to be trying to scare and intimidate the general populous for political aims by attacking soft targets, usually because those doing it didnt have the resources to wage direct war, the famous asymmetrical warfare, so burning down a church is terrorism, but burning down a courthouse is not

i think the fact that one has to have a whole conversation about what it means shows how ultimately its not that great of a term and is generally just deployed... to terrorize people

I think people in this thread should take a moment and think about why an unambiguous "more White people should be under surveillance" statement from a Black man turned into a discussion about how White people can't be surveilled because it would hurt Black people, therefore we must find another solution that protects White people from being surveilled.

Like, even in the realm of hypothetical venting you guys protect yourselves. Allies don't exist.

Before this gets buried in the pace, thanks for posting this DJP. A lot to think about this morning and this is on my list.

lagoon this is good:

https://www.8toabolition.com/

― howls of non-specificity (sleeve), Friday, January 8, 2021 1:06 PM (eleven minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

thx! will check it our

this country's going so far to the left you're not going to recognize it

― difficult listening hour, Monday, September 18, 2017 8:53 AM (three years ago)

i think its greatly underrated how far left the country has already shifted, only problem is it hasnt really penetrated the halls of power, its gonna take some sort of big fight

yes

Sorry Manchin's stupid grandstanding took over for a minute, yes DJP's point is excellent.

More white people should ABSOLUTELY be surveilled but the FBI has known that for at least 20 years and all the papers and recommendations have been buried and soft-peddled into meaningless rhetoric so as not to have to do anything about it. It seems reasonable (to me?) to at the same time demand that the EXISTING LAWS be applied to white supremacists/conspiracists/LEOs/etc and also to ask that we not legislate additional punishments for protesting against the conditions of the system we have, which will be inequitably applied?

I think people in this thread should take a moment and think about why an unambiguous "more White people should be under surveillance" statement from a Black man turned into a discussion about how White people can't be surveilled because it would hurt Black people, therefore we must find another solution that protects White people from being surveilled.

Like, even in the realm of hypothetical venting you guys protect yourselves. Allies don't exist.

― Totino's Fortnite Training Room (DJP), Friday, January 8, 2021 10:14 AM (two minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

No one is defending white people. It's just pretty glaringly obvious, based on historical fact, that any increase in police and surveillance resources goes into harassing and murdering Black and brown people.

If what you're saying is that you WANT more surveillance of white people that might root out these murderous Nazis, I totally agree with you! But that isn't the way it has worked or currently works, and it's worth pointing that out.

Some Defense Department officials have expressed anger that political leaders seemed to be trying to get the Pentagon to do the work of Congress and cabinet secretaries, who have legal options to remove a president.

defense department otm

That's reasonable but also, if existing laws were applied the way they were supposed to be applied, we wouldn't have hate crime legislation.

No one is defending white people. It's just pretty glaringly obvious, based on historical fact, that any increase in police and surveillance resources goes into harassing and murdering Black and brown people.

If what you're saying is that you WANT more surveillance of white people that might root out these murderous Nazis, I totally agree with you! But that isn't the way it has worked or currently works, and it's worth pointing that out.

Listen to yourself for one goddamned minute and think about who you're talking to.

I think there was a small percentage of people involved who could more justifiably be considered domestic terrorists, rather than labeling the whole mob as such. Whoever planted the bombs. The ones who went in in full tactical gear carrying wrist restraints planning to kidnap some people. But maybe I’m off base here?

Am I ignorant of history? Am I stupid? Am I not Black enough to understand how this country works? Which one of those is it?

almost everyone in this country is under nearly constant surveillance to some extent, that may be a semantic argument tho, do i think the fbi should take a closer look at these white insurgent organizations, yes i think its badly needed and theyre an existential threat to whatever freedoms we have, dan i think we may have just gotten two ongoing conversations tangled, sorry for not taking you point more seriously

i would say i a white i dont really want the fbi to surveil me more even tho i do often wish death upon various politicians online

You're literally putting words in my mouth, but okay.

https://image.politicalcartoons.com/247291/600/his-masters-voice.png

DJP is completely correct and what the hell at everyone else.

into this

Fetterman is raising money for a 2022 Senate run in PA pic.twitter.com/53Lu9vhIH3

— Shane Goldmacher (@ShaneGoldmacher) January 8, 2021

Verrrrry into. Although when he wins I will miss the enthusiasm with which his wife has embraced being the SLoP (Second Lady of Pennsylvania).

lagoon, I did not have an issue with your contribution to the intertwined conversation and I agree with your distinction between "terrorist" and "insurrectionist" even though I do think "terrorist" is not a de facto meaningless word. I appreciate the apology and accept it but it wasn't necessary.

DJP, I want to apologize, in sincerity: I really wasn't trying to invalidate what you said, or do some sort of galaxy brain defense of white supremacist assholes. I can never understand your frustration and anger, and was merely trying to just raise an issue that you obviously know about. It was inappropriate. Apologies.

cool xp

I really appreciate that, thank you.

I apologize for snapping.

fwiw the fbi is happy to surveil some white people, if youre having any sort of leftist meeting they will try to an intern over, even if its as white as a ski mountain, having said that their true passion lies in infiltrating muslim student groups and so forth, which points to the deeper problems with our law enforcement apparatus

lagoon is right there— see the prosecution and infiltration of numerous leftist groups on the west coast throughout the late aughts and teens.

guys

Maybe now that can go to another thread? Or maybe just not at all?

we literally just did this

I'm done

https://www.crushpixel.com/static7/preview2/i-can-do-76407.jpg

Come for the gratitude, stay for @LeviFetterman 😭❤️ cc- @JohnFetterman pic.twitter.com/22ixgFNnOA

— Gisele Barreto Fetterman (@giselefetterman) January 8, 2021

gisele will you join me for brunch

a year before i was born, FBI agents broke into my parents’ house in blount county tennessee - in the absolute middle of nowhere, no houses for miles around - in the middle of the night, waking them up in their bed, shining flashlights into their faces, and asking them to confirm their identities, saying their names to them. it turned out they had confused my dad for his best friend, a minister who had married a couple where one of the partners was in jail for nonviolent protest. my dad thinks it’s because he and his friend both had beards and were both ministers and both moved in the same circles. but who knows.

and no, officiating a prison marriage is not a federal crime as far as i know ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

#BREAKING: House Democrats will impeach Donald Trump if Vice President Pence does not invoke the 25th Amendment. (CNN)

— Travis Akers (@travisakers) January 8, 2021

ultimatum

well they know he fucking won't so get on with it

they've been saying that for 36 hours.

my boss: i have a project for you. it will take half a day. if you don't do it, the company goes out of business.

me: sure, i'll take a look at that next wednesday.

he won't even take their call ffs

they've got republican senators waiting!

Senator Ben Sasse, Republican of Nebraska, a frequent critic of Mr. Trump, said he would “definitely consider whatever articles they might move, because I believe the president has disregarded his oath of office.”

I love adverbs!

if i were an insane racist republican, i would absolutely vote for impeachment of trump if only to get him off the 2024 ballot.

"Have you seen our voters? I don't want to be hunted for the rest of my life, impeach away."