And Sleepy Joe Will Get The Credit: US Politics January 2021

do the inauguration on Zoom who cares

Trump conceding the election and telling his supporters to back off (even if it did look like a hostage video) is probably going to keep a lot of them away. what exactly is their goal now?

139 House Reps and 8 Senators STILL voted against certifying Biden. If it was just those 2000 idiots that'd be bad enough, but they've got enough powerful supporters, true believers, and straight-up cowards on their side. Beer Hall Putsch indeed...

suspect it would be pretty tough for them to pull off another exercise in unpreparedness at this point, plus the inauguration im guessing is run differently than your standard event

i am more worried rn about what shenanigans are gonna happen on the 19th and 20th and if we're going to have the Keystone Kops on the lawn that day

One thing is for sure: he will be flaunting his inauguration crowd size to Biden's until death's final rattle.

It should be noted, simply, that inaugurations can also happen indoors -- there's long been precedent for that due to the weather, Reagan's second was held under the Rotunda. So if security demands something similar, there you go. (The flipside is the risk of COVID but there you are.)

I don't think it will be a traditional one either, but if we've learned anything from these last four years (boat armadas, pickup parades, endless rallies, etc etc) is that these dipshits can't get enough of gathering in large groups to show off who has the most Trump merch so I don't think his hostage video is enough to stop them from gathering in D.C. anyway.

Also: Congress can impeach a president after his term expires.

they've got enough powerful supporters, true believers, and straight-up cowards on their side. Beer Hall Putsch indeed...

― Nhex, Friday, January 8, 2021 11:43 AM (three minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

yeah theyre dangerous and need to be dealt with before they figure out how to do things in not the most idiotic way possible

proud boys thread? it's a canada/us joint effort by the looks of it

Yesterday was an act of domestic terrorism.

The Proud Boys helped execute it.

Their founder is Canadian.

They operate in Canada, right now.

And, I am calling for them to be designated as a terrorist organization, immediately.

Sign here if you agree👇🏾https://t.co/DCFanYVijm

— Jagmeet Singh (@theJagmeetSingh) January 7, 2021

reading the wiki (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proud_Boys), the whole aladdin/disney reference sounds so surreal it's kind of amusing

reasonable

THIS - PELOSI: “This morning, I spoke to the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Mark Milley to discuss available precautions for preventing an unstable president from initiating military hostilities or accessing the launch codes and ordering a nuclear strike. “

— Lisa Desjardins (@LisaDNews) January 8, 2021

They couldn't secure the capitol, a building, with several hundred lawmakers inside from a largely unarmed, out of shape mob of dimwits. I fail to see how they will secure an outdoor space from such a mob if it had a core of armed people with an actual plan.

they can make a perimeter and so forth its within their ability

https://preview.redd.it/cmbrqlzqk1a61.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=c89c33ee2ade9edf01a3290f4c73588b6505a395

re: proud boys, I guess it really is 1812 all over again but dumber

i need to remember this myself, but it would be wise to start screenshotting tweets rather than linking them and continuing to even infinitesimally feed back into the base evil that is contemporary twitter. if we're rubbernecking, might as well do it without giving them the numbers

http://i.imgur.com/6cBE9lq.png

74M people voted for Trump

Do you think 74 million people are going to vote for "some Republican who is not Donald Trump" in November 2024? I don't.

They couldn't secure the capitol, a building, with several hundred lawmakers inside from a largely unarmed, out of shape mob of dimwits. I fail to see how they will secure an outdoor space from such a mob if it had a core of armed people with an actual plan.

really not thrilled about ramping up the "terrorist" rhetoric

is that screencap from 4chan? someone is doing the lord's work in there it would seem

really not thrilled about ramping up the "terrorist" rhetoric

― howls of non-specificity (sleeve), Friday, January 8, 2021 11:55 AM (nine seconds ago) bookmarkflaglink

its really bad

what's really fueling this mob

ban axe commercials/products

I heard at least 3 different rioters at the Capitol say that they hoped to find Vice President Mike Pence and execute him by hanging him from a Capitol Hill tree as a traitor. It was a common line being repeated. Many more were just talking about how the VP should be executed. https://t.co/fxHREouEWF

— Jim Bourg (@jimbourg) January 8, 2021

of course there was a plan to take hostages theyd been talking about it all over online lol

Do you think 74 million people are going to vote for "some Republican who is not Donald Trump" in November 2024? I don't.

If it's his son sure.

Hahah please.

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"but there was no intelligence suggesting anything would happen"

In extremely brutal honesty and frankness, I am 100% in favor of more policing and surveillance that targets White people

"I fail to see how they will secure an outdoor space from such a mob if it had a core of armed people with an actual plan.
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Maybe by actually trying to this time?

of course there was a plan to take hostages theyd been talking about it all over online lol

― lag∞n, Friday, 8 January 2021 17:01 (two minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

Yes sure but how to find *proof* 🤔

I don't see Trump losing his stranglehold on the party anytime soon. There's no one even remotely capable of filling that void of attention and spectacle and petty drama in his stead. I know you can read the GOP's capitulation to him as a means to an end, letting him be a vortex of insanity while they still get their judges and tax cuts, but I still think they're utterly terrified of alienating his supporters, who certainly make up enough of the GOP electorate right now to determine the outcome of elections. and by this point I think a lot of these people aren't really Republicans in any coherent sense of the term, they're Trumpians, they're a cult in thrall to this single idiot's every utterance and whim.

In extremely brutal honesty and frankness, I am 100% in favor of more policing and surveillance that targets White people

― Totino's Fortnite Training Room (DJP), Friday, January 8, 2021 12:04 PM (two seconds ago) bookmarkflaglink

doesnt really work that way tho, just ask all the animal rights activists who have been charged as terrorists

i think people are underestimating how unattractive losing and being rendered powerless is in this case

― lag∞n, Friday, January 8, 2021 4:06 PM (fifty-three minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

otm. Especially when your entire brand has been “winning.” I mean there were already those people at the rally on Wednesday who were clearly tired of his shtick, they wanted the Kraken or whatever. He is clearly not going to give them that.

Is the idea that terrorism as a concept should be stricken from our vocabulary altogether or are there still particular acts that would qualify?

The reality is that nearly all domestic terrorism in the US is committed by white nationalists. Yes, you can count on the government to both overstep while completely failing to identify the correct targets, but that doesn't change what this is.

I'm not clear on why we shouldn't consider these people domestic terrorists. Just because they didn't successfully kidnap or execute anyone?

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"but there was no intelligence suggesting anything would happen"

If an armed incursion into the capitol doesn't qualify, then nothing does

Sorry if this got posted already (reloading these threads is a nightmare). Cruz to a Houston TV station yesterday:

"The President's language and rhetoric often goes too far. I think, yesterday in particular, the President's language and rhetoric crossed the line and it was reckless. I disagree with it, and I have disagreed with the President's language and rhetoric for the last four years."

In extremely brutal honesty and frankness, I am 100% in favor of more policing and surveillance that targets White people

― Totino's Fortnite Training Room (DJP), Friday, January 8, 2021 12:04 PM (two seconds ago) bookmarkflaglink

https://whitecollar.thenewinquiry.com/

Old Lunch it's because any future counter-terrorism legislation will inevitably be used against innocent PoC.

I'm not clear on why we shouldn't consider these people domestic terrorists. Just because they didn't successfully kidnap or execute anyone?

― Meat Chew All the Way (Old Lunch), Friday, January 8, 2021 12:06 PM (twenty-nine seconds ago) bookmarkflaglink

because it will just lead to an across the board loss of rights and increase in the power of the police state for examples see the last 20 years, also its worth considering if terrorism is any sort of meaningful or useful term

when you've lost Scott Adams

Today would be a good day for Trump to resign.

— Scott Adams (@ScottAdamsSays) January 8, 2021

no shade on anyone posting these mealy mouthed weasel handwringing Repub quotes, but I really don't wanna hear their hypocritical BS

Saying "this is terrorism" is not the same as saying "I trust the government to handle this correctly"

its half way there

using the word "terrorism" is bad, full stop, use better words

IDGAF if white people get targeted, DJP definitely OTM there, but semantics matter.

I'm open to hearing from the more vehement 'abolish the police' voices re: how to handle this amorphous gaggle of fascists who are probably not done pulling shit like this.

with the fucking military, dude

Is there a better term for what the Klan did in the reconstruction era than terrorism?