And Sleepy Joe Will Get The Credit: US Politics January 2021

ok but this is a false dichotomy. lefty protestors have occupied statehouses too. when people protested scott walker gutting unions by occupying the wisconsin statehouse did you call for those ppl to be arrested? do you think they should have been arrested? beaten? gassed? is the mere act of holding a confederate flag in a statehouse mean that cops should be able to arrest you? i understand the impulse to say yes but understand the cynicism in the way republicans apply laws to democratic protestors. what flags or signs would then qualify you for arrest during a protest on govt grounds or in a govt building? is seeing alt right capitol occupiers arrested worth the repercussions on lefty protestors?

for me it's a big NO on all of those questions. the thing i wanted to see, today, was the rioters being kept out of the building. not even arrested, certainly not physically harmed. just being kept out of the building. if Madison police would have guarded the statehouse and kept the protesters outside in a bullshit "free speech zone", i would have understood that.

feel like i'm being misunderstood also, but i also don't really make any coherent points so i get it

otm; the crux of the thing isn't that they're protesting in the capitol or breaking windows or whatever, but that they are doing so in an attempt to carry out a white supremacist coup

like, is expecting capitol police to keep rioters out of the capitol the same as "siding w/ the police"?

Jordan S. putting into words a lot of stuff that's been troubling me.

cops seemed to show who they are today afaict

He should be forced to delete all his tweets except for the ones about how Robert Pattinson’s dick smell

(in addition to the ones people mentioned, another recent example would be the people storming the Minneapolis police precinct -- do you think they should have been arrested?)

btw are there really leftists calling for tear gas? i must be following the wrong leftists

there's no doubt what side the cops were on today, and they must be held accountable

the thing to me thats most —interesting— about the cops actions today is these people have been publicly planning this for weeks and the cops didnt even bother to like schedule any extra shifts, they just do not see these people as a threat

Looks like Trump's "take your ball and go home" tweet is working.

Heard a take which didn't seem insane that believe it or not the charge most of these assholes would be, well, charged with is trespassing, and given that is a relatively minor offense that's why the cops didn't dedicate their manpower and resources to executing. So to speak. They were overwhelmed, which itself raises a bunch of questions.

Regarding police and not arresting the alt-right Nazis:

This is not a double standard. That language is an alibi. Whiteness is sustained through a distributive tension between state power and vigilantism. making and unmaking one another.

— notes/x/fbott (@f_bott) January 6, 2021

xp to Karl: No it's okay, this is a very weird day and it's enraging to see what we've seen happening. I just wanted to say, we don't need to discuss every point now but I wasn't going to dismiss everest's thread out of hand.

I don't even want them to gas or shoot the terrorists, but surely they could slap some handcuffs on them

btw are there really leftists calling for tear gas? i must be following the wrong leftists

― Karl Malone, Wednesday, January 6, 2021 7:26 PM (thirty-six seconds ago) bookmarkflaglink

i mean yeah but more in a wanting to see fash get fucked up than a law and order must be restored way

Really most protesters should be treated with the prudence that these assholes were treated.

Karl OTM

the thing i wanted to see, today, was the rioters being kept out of the building. not even arrested, certainly not physically harmed. just being kept out of the building. if Madison police would have guarded the statehouse and kept the protesters outside in a bullshit "free speech zone", i would have understood that.

― Karl Malone, Wednesday, January 6, 2021 7:23 PM (two minutes ago)

i think it's a bit of a misnomer that the cops "let" this happen today. there is obvious differences in how they treated/interacted w/ these protestors than other cops have w/ BLM or other protestors but if a large group wants to storm a building the cops/security guards aren't going to be able to stop it unless you authorize the use of force. so i don't see how this hypothetical would have played out in reality unless the cops started beating people

And since they're on the same side as those people...

btw are there really leftists calling for tear gas? i must be following the wrong leftists

― Karl Malone, Wednesday, January 6, 2021 7:26 PM (thirty-six seconds ago) bookmarkflaglink

i mean yeah but more in a wanting to see fash get fucked up than a law and order must be restored way

― lag∞n, Wednesday, January 6, 2021 7:29 PM (thirty-five seconds ago) bookmarkflaglink

people seem to be venting about the perceived double-standard between police reaction to lefty protests vs. fash protests. i haven't seen much "they should crack these assholes' skulls" but i've seen a lot of "if these people were black, they would've been shot"

xp -- I think part of this is (sorry) twitter, where the distinction isn't clear between "notice how the police aren't getting violent when it's a Trump riot, and they should start doing that," "notice how the police aren't getting violent when it's a Trump riot, and they should be like this all the time," "notice how the police aren't getting violent when it's a Trump riot, because they're the same constituency"

just from a uh airborne viral perspective it may not be wise to reconvene, in a building in which hundreds of unmasked hilbillies had just marauded, a congress full of olds

they didn’t “breach” or “storm” the capitol building THEY WERE LET IN pic.twitter.com/SVeo6BcFV0

— a⁷ (@moonddng) January 6, 2021

It is absolutely insane that Pence reportedly never left the capital. If indeed he is the one that okayed the national guard, that means he was unable to reach Trump, or Trump was unwilling to make any sort of decision, and the authority was granted to Pence. So yeah, just remove that asshole from office.

just from a uh airborne viral perspective it may not be wise to reconvene, in a building in which hundreds of unmasked hilbillies had just marauded, a congress full of olds

― k3vin k., Wednesday, January 6, 2021 7:32 PM (nineteen seconds ago) bookmarkflaglink

reasonable point!

If it wasn't for coronavirus, that building would probably have been filled with school children, toursts, etc.

what the hell do they put in the water in delaware?

I just asked Sen. Tom Carper (D-Del.) about this:

“The idea of taking the time to try to impeach him, the idea of trying to expel members of the House of Senate for their efforts to protect the President and continue this fiction ... I just think we need to turn the page." https://t.co/yZvpqxCfga

— Sophia Schmidt (@tough_schmidt_) January 6, 2021

it's not like the whole thing was a conspiracy among the capitol police and whoever else, but...they fucking let them in! and...i'm sorry, but there are no locked doors that can be deployed in the capitol? even at the crappy old EPA building we had emergency firedoors that could be automatically deployed on each hallway corridor, as a way to do modular lockdowns of each floor. they couldn't keep these guys from reaching the house floor? it's beyond bad, it's conspicuously weird

My daughter was in the Capitol with a synagogue group to meet with congressman literally one year ago.

i haven't seen much "they should crack these assholes' skulls" but i've seen a lot of "if these people were black, they would've been shot"

same

^^^

it's the double standard that's infuriating

it's not like the whole thing was a conspiracy among the capitol police and whoever else, but

What if it is though? Because it either LITERALLY is or it kinda tacitly is?

xposts no worries in orbit! also i've been heavily drinking and am a bit belligerent so i get it :)

weird they must have gotten some new info about the election anyway glad thats cleared up

Rand Paul, per hill pool, says he does not think there will be any more objections to Joe Biden’s electoral college victory

— Jake Sherman (@JakeSherman) January 7, 2021

Fucking tourists

Obsessed with these Trump protestors who broke windows to get into the Capitol Building but then stayed inside the red ropes pic.twitter.com/UqnseAbEb1

— Zack Bornstein (@ZackBornstein) January 6, 2021

it's not like the whole thing was a conspiracy among the capitol police and whoever else, but

What if it is though? Because it either LITERALLY is or it kinda tacitly is?

― Ima Gardener (in orbit), Wednesday, January 6, 2021 7:37 PM (thirty-four seconds ago) bookmarkflaglink

a little bit of both imo

IMPORTANT: this is exact moment the siege of the Capitol building began as the two men in front ripped down a preliminary barrier & rushed officers who were behind a 2nd barrier

They then encouraged others to follow their lead. Officers appeared to be taken completely off guard pic.twitter.com/LE0a01PXBi

— ELIJAH SCHAFFER (@ElijahSchaffer) January 6, 2021

I mean it's that simple. You don't have to wish that the capitol police had beaten rioters with clubs in order to point out that they explicitly DIDN'T DO THEIR JOB. So maybe they shouldn't have that job anymore!

what the hell do they put in the water in delaware?

30% APR iirc

just from a uh airborne viral perspective it may not be wise to reconvene, in a building in which hundreds of unmasked hilbillies had just marauded, a congress full of olds

― k3vin k., Wednesday, January 6, 2021 4:32 PM (two minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

I'm just going to put this out there: a lot of these people probably live in small towns or the suburbs or exurbs with nice lawns and clean garages. The term "hillbilly" places the problem on a despised class status and 'other' rather than deal with the issue that these people are not 'hillbillies,' stockpiling guns on rural property in Montana.

omg first lady's chief of staff is resigning!

What if it is though? Because it either LITERALLY is or it kinda tacitly is?

yeah i guess i'm hedging a bit, because i do suspect that SOMETHING very very bad happened. it's just a question of whether it was spontaneous racism (similar to how we saw cops here in Chicago COOPERATING with the fucking proud boys this summer, even fucking coordinating and co-patrolling with them in some cases) or planned insurrection. but i'm hedging because i'm speculating

it's not like the whole thing was a conspiracy among the capitol police and whoever else, but

What if it is though? Because it either LITERALLY is or it kinda tacitly is?

― Ima Gardener (in orbit), Wednesday, January 6, 2021 7:37 PM (thirty-four seconds ago) bookmarkflaglink

a little bit of both imo

― lag∞n, Thursday, 7 January 2021 00:38 (nineteen seconds ago) bookmarkflaglink

Its akin to phil leotardos guys not being there when hes whacked. Whoops, oh well.

state DA's make a statement to prosecute those seen from their state participating in the riots

lol Melania's chief of staff resigning. little late!

lol the people walking up on the right are a high school tour group and their dad in a dad hat.

they should all resign, one after the other, until it is just Trump in the White House and then he can die.