By Hera! Come anticipate WONDER WOMAN 1984 with me!

This was so, so bad.

i was pretty stunned by how incompetent this was

I didn't hate it as much as y'all but I sure as hell wasn't entertained either. good movie to fuck to

mmmm, those pounding Hans Zimmer rhythms

I did catch the apex predator line, but I just didn't know why a cheetah, which is a really specific apex predator known for running fast. But, like, the cursed tiki idol power should have turned her into an orca or something. That would have been funny. But yeah, what does she gain that she didn't have before? Fur and a tail?

How was he just able to grant her another wish, anyway? With no touching and no apparent repercussions? I mean, this whole thing was so dumb and senseless and dull and stupid and janky I guess there is no point even asking.

He said the line "I'm feeling generous."

Since george orwell is out of copyright now, could totally set a superhero film in "1984".

"good movie to fuck to"

better to just put a picture of Gal Godot on your headboard

There are about 40 minutes of entertaining stuff in this film, and they are all Kristin Wiig. When she's not onscreen it's a slog, or dire, or worse. also the representations of middle easterners in this are ... let's just say this seemed like it was from 1984.

They could have made some more interesting political points with the US villain stepping in to 'take all the oil' from a country he's destabilized but it was pretty weak. Also I don't think that President was actually supposed to be Reagan, was he?

Also I don't think that President was actually supposed to be Reagan, was he?

In the credits, he's "POTUS." But there's a jar of jelly beans in the Oval Office (visible at 1:45:58).

Dude literally said “I take something for myself in return when I grant people’s wishes” right before saying “I’m feeling generous” to Barbara and then granting everyone’s wishes and so he turned over some of his “take something in return” bounty over to her so she could turn herself into a crazed half-cat woman and yes, the willy-nilly conflicting wishapalooza caused a bunch of turmoil and chaos including the advent of an impending thermonuclear war (btw, lifeless rubble across the globe after warheads melt everything could fit the definition of “world peace” so the warheads aren’t directly incompatible with that)

Also, the character Barbara Minerva in the comic books is a villain named Cheetah who got her powers from an amulet imbued with the essence of a malevolent cheetah goddess IIRC so her transformation was going to happen in some form or fashion

same basic concept underneath - she makes a sort of deal with the devil for power and ends up cursed

though i like the added sexual tension between her and Diana in this film

I just didn't know why a cat woman (other than because comic book). Since she already had super powers and afaict gained nothing but fur and a tail.

You know what this movie was really missing? A youthified digital Mr. T.

she goes from being one sort of cat lady to another
(half-joking here)

Wonder Woman 1982:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/99/Cat_People_1982_movie.jpg

pretty much. as well as the Selina Kyle/Batman Returns comparison talked about earlier in the thread

also: women have to fight other women, femininity, apex predator, yada yada yada

People don’t like Wonder Woman 1984 because they haven’t seen a superhero movie in ten months and forgot they’re all like that.

— Brandon Bird (@Brandon_Bird) December 26, 2020

some of these reactions to that entirely not serious Cro-Mags tweet are nuts, I tell ya

I still say the reactions in this thread (at least mine) were keeping in the spirit - I wasn’t mad at the tweet, lol. Maybe you’re referring to responses on Twitter, though (I didn’t actually click thru)

That said I do think there’s a thing where when someone posts a tweet in a thread here, my immediate response is to go “yeah, but...” – not sure why. Maybe b/c it sort of sits there with a veil of inflated authority, intruding from beyond the realm of ILX discourse, demanding a counterpoint.

That NYMag pan is such a waste of a good panning opportunity

ok now I'm stoned and trying again, my new problem is that my roommate is home and this feels even more aggressively For Kids than most superhero movies I've seen

The defenses of WW84 that claim it's not appreciably worse than most superhero movies (people just haven't seen one in a while, aren't used to watching them on TV, etc.) don't carry much weight with me because I avoid most superhero movies. But I did see the first Wonder Woman and found it charming, while this one felt overstuffed and nonsensical. (I mean, I don't doubt that it's a typical superhero movie; that's why I don't watch superhero movies!)

ok now I'm stoned and trying again, my new problem is that my roommate is home and this feels even more aggressively For Kids than most superhero movies I've seen

The defenses of WW84 that claim it's not appreciably worse than most superhero movies invalidate themselves by conflating DCEU, Fox X-Men, MCU, and Tim Burton Bat-verse.

Marvel’s success suggests hmm it is maybe possible to make a superhero movie that many people like. DC just stubbornly refuses to follow the template bc they want a unique identity distinct from Marvel.

Unfortunately, having now tacked away from “dark, gritty, and risibly bad” they have no idea what that identity would be and seen to have doubled down on “risibly bad.”

Kind of occurred to me that the Marvel heroes, more or less, all of them either never bothered with or immediately dispensed with the alter-ego bullshit. What does Wonder Woman get out of it?

idk if this is referring to the Marvel movies, but it's definitely not true of the 1940s Timely or 1960s Marvel characters

Wonder Woman's entire raison d'rumspringa is to learn about Man's World, which she can do better as part of it instead of as a demigod

Yeah, Marvel movies, they don't have alter egos, afaict.

I've never read the comic books, but in this movie Wonder Woman has been living in man's world for over almost 80 years years. I'm not sure what what more she can gain by playing Undercover Boss. If she doesn't have a good idea of what man is like at this point she's clearly doing it wrong (and to be fair, having apparently no human friends does probably mean she's doing it wrong). Anyway, the biggest lesson she seems to be learning is that man shouldn't mess around with magic god stuff, which makes her very presence on earth self defeating. She'd be better off giving in, keeping the costume on and getting a bit more ambitious.

I’m seeing ppl say that several characters who have dramatic death scenes end up alive at the end(?)

I am... ambivalent? about the movie

it didnt suck but it wasnt v enjoyable eithet

There were parts that I liked

but the bulk of the movie was, I dunno - the parts i didnt care about like WISHES ARE COCAINE DO YOU SEE like uuuggg hhhh FUCK OFF WE GET IT JESUS CHRIST it was was sooooo overwritten & piled on it got boring almost right away —- but then Max & his kid, or him as any kind of discernible character was really underwritten

And Pablo was miscast or they upped his character after he signed on, he seemed kinda lost in such a weird role but who wouldnt be i guess

And the stuff Diana & Steve switching roles like he’s in her world now & he’s the naif ... it sort of worked i guess but was v undercooked

And just call it Wonderwoman 2 ffs - calling it Wonder Woman 84 gives me an expectation of a great soundtrack which never eventuatedinstead is three (3) partial songs at one (1) party

I feel like someone greenlit the 1984 aspect ages ago thanks to Stranger Things but it was never more than an afterthought

i liked all the stuff w barbara & diana / cheetah & wonder woman, i could have done w way less of max lord personally

and gail is a great wonder woman, just standing around or flying through the air or whatever
i could watch her all day

They made him way too likable for the amount of Trump cosplay they were doing.

Most of the supey characters in the Ant-Mans have alter egos & secret identities iirc.

Walter Chaw's review: https://www.filmfreakcentral.net/ffc/2020/12/ww84.html

lol he brings up Superman IV, too!

More Superman 3 tbh

he also answers your question of why she still has a secret identity 66 years later

Must have missed that there, too, ha.

Anyway

Strange fact: John Joseph is good friends with Patty Jenkins, allegedly got her her first directing gig (for a Leeway vid lol) and sent her this shirt personally. pic.twitter.com/v8DlhjyemV

— Sturgeon's Law (@Sturgeons_Law) December 26, 2020

He's right that the album was around in tape form before 86, but he's fudging the facts here. The black tape wasn't even finished until 85 (as you can see here), and that album cover/shirt design didn't exist until 86. pic.twitter.com/FbyHUwc5Na

— Sturgeon's Law (@Sturgeons_Law) December 26, 2020

How does the wish renouncing work.

If 10 people wished they were married to Taylor Swift, is she now married to all ten?

Also at least 5% of males wished for a bigger weiner and no way they renounce that

I’m not going to see this either way, but am curious if this is worse than Superman 3, which is in the running for the worst superhero movie I’ve ever seen

Also at least 5% of males wished for a bigger weiner and no way they renounce that

I think you mean 5% minutes f males wished every other male had a smaller wiener

WONDER WIENER 1984

20% of American men would have to renounce their wang wish when they realized they went too large and their cardiovascular system isn't up to getting it hard.

So wait. Imagine that 5% of men wished everyone else's weiner is smaller. How can that 5% all have bigger weiners than the other dickwishers when they all wished for each other to have smaller ones?

FILM DISPROVEN.

u_u

The entertainment world is going to be flooded with 12-inch pianists.

Have the movie playing now, and understand why Neanderthal began fiddling with his phone during this intro. I didn’t tune in to see “Wonder Kid,” lol

Well, there was Commander Salamander—guess I can bail now.

If they had real cred, they would have made the anchor in this mall a Hecht’s.