ForenSix Opposition - Politics in the Soon To Be Former UK in Autumn 2020

The UK is so keen to protect its fishing boats, but what about the fishing boat of Louis Mountbatten it failed to protect on 27 August 1979...?

— Father Pissmas Shitty (@doctor___fuck) December 12, 2020

Lol, nice

My recollection is UK population now is 67 million. And has grown by 10 million since ... 10 years ago? 30 years ago?

I think the figure is bigger than Spain.

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My attempt at Fizzles' basic knowledge.

there's a chart of growth at the link calzino posted. spikes in 1963 and 2008

https://countrymeters.info/en/United_Kingdom_(UK)

you'll probably need to add a ) to that url due to long-standing ilx bug!

One thing I've noticed people are also surprised to hear (as was I when I saw the stats) is that only in recent years has what passes for Greater London's population exceeded its previous peak from the 1930s. The figures from back then are from the ONS matching the census data they have with the boundaries as defined in 2001.

london popn was declining right thru to the ,mid-1980s iirc -- one reason why there was lots of unused property and semi-tolerated squatting and so on

Honestly the mental gymnastics of The Observer describing the Tories winning 63% of Leave voters as "Starmer winning Leave Voters!" is incredible pic.twitter.com/TCtfFjhG1V

— Morgan Paulett 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿 (@MorganPaulett) December 12, 2020

latest Opinionium poll: kieth not 20 pts ahead (in fact 2 pts behind)

very interesting Observer poll analysis: kieth is winning over tory leave voters

Wait does the Oberzerwer think Leave voters are good now?

london popn was declining right thru to the ,mid-1980s iirc -- one reason why there was lots of unused property and semi-tolerated squatting and so on

closet brexiteer jeremy corbyn was way more anti brexit as a leader than his successor has been and it’s amazing how little the EU flag fuckers seem to care

I even knew those facts about London population!

There is one truly big expert on TfL revenues on ILX. I will not, nay, need not, remind you of his name.

is there any hope of london ever becoming remotely affordable again

where do you live

is there any hope of london ever becoming remotely affordable again

how many merman shells do you get to the pound these days?

Merman shells? German shells?

Bio-domes don't come cheap you know, imagine the carbon monoxide-recycling costs alone

Isn't part of the reason for the tiny island perception that in a lot of ppl's heads the immediate points of comparison are either the US or the EU as a whole?

where do you live

kingston, or sometimes croydon, edinburgh, other ppl’s houses- kingston won’t house me or cover local rents. but the inner boroughs sound even worse

xp we also had a massive empire & haven’t got over losing most of it

Isn't part of the reason for the tiny island perception that in a lot of ppl's heads the immediate points of comparison are either the US or the EU as a whole?

Hmmmm, possibly, Europe rather than the EU though. There so many things going on here, depending on your politics: plucky little Britain; crowded little Britain; insignificant little Britain; delusional little Britain.

This is part of my "fuck positive patriotism" rationale: the same ideas and myths fuel the alleged nice guy patriotism as much as the race hate version. Pluckiness, eccentricity, always the underdog. Enslaved half the world for cheap shirts ffs

The Empire is a distant memory but the Queen is still the head of state of Canada, Australia and New Zealand.

absolute fucking brainfart upthread where i somehow didn’t know, had forgotten, had decided it was somehow wrong that australia *is* a continent. did part of my brain think that was australasia rather than australia? who can say.

go to the bottom of the class and get beaten with sticks by the pinefox.

A continental landmass as opposed to a continent, I think? New sticks please.

labour 20 - 63 tories

kieth: "is this... winning ?"

Australia is a continent, Australasia/Oceania/etc is geopolitical bs. Europe is also a fake continent/racist endeavour

Keir is fundamentally just a low energy kind of guy

Old Zealandia is actually huge as fuck and would be way too hench to be a classified as a microcontinent, it's just that only a small island sized shard of it that still remains above the sea since it got submerged somewhere halfway between now and the cretaceous

It’s not letting me hyperlink but click ‘People’ on this thing ;-)

https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/12945855?fbclid=IwAR0GAPciZC39TP7CSJL8UNPZsYoyIfZNJ_x6StWb_rUMkn6QfIS2AQu55FM

There’s an Eventbrite listing for the launch with Zara Sultana and Len McClusky among the speakers.

if they are having a whip round I'm not paying anything unless they are planning a bucket o' piss trap on Kieth's office door.

BREAKING: European Commission president to make a statement at 12.45 CET

— Tony Connelly (@tconnellyRTE) December 13, 2020

Brexit talks to continue, lol of course

they are obviously having such a good time they never want this party to finish!

It is the pantomime season after all.

There's going to be a deal and it's going to favour the EU, that seems pretty obvious to me?

Think it could be along the lines of a deal with Johnson boosting on how he has rescued it at the last minute. The optics will be bought by most ppl but the detail will be all the concessions to the EU.

But yeah it's all panto season with a PR exercise on how that makes the UK look good.

Meanwhile how many people are going to lose their jobs over winter?

Don't have the stats to hand but pretty sure the EU has been running rings round Tory governments for years.

Don't think that matters as the Tories have held onto their coalition all this time.

Ultimately it's consequences for a large enough section of the population that will decide what their polling will be.

Wasn't thinking in UK electoral terms, I meant the EU are just so much better at this sort of thing than Tories.

one observation during the unrelenting brexit tedium of the last few years was that part of joining the EU meant that a core competence for negotiating trade deals shifted from the UK into a central EU pool, for obvious and very good reasons. did mean we had no recent history, experience, or institutional knowledge of doing that for the purposes of brexit.

also, ofc and as you say, there are a lot of thick as pigshit tories, and even the ones who aren't thick are stupefied by ideology. as someone said of US politics recently, 'the gap between right-wing crazy brain worms shock jocks and the tip top intellectual echelon of the right is much much smaller than you might think.'

Just like the US the smart ones are starting to realise they’re fucked whatever they do, too.

*eyeballs*

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Are there any grounds for interpreting Johnson's comments as a deliberate reference to Kristallnacht besides his use of the phrase 'broken glass' and the fact that it relates to Germany?

— cancel couture (@MediocreDave) December 13, 2020

Corbyn announced his project with a placeholder URL featuring his own name rather than the name of the project and didn't also register the actual name, which now hosts a hostile parody site.

— cancel couture (@MediocreDave) December 13, 2020

c'mon jez ffs, that was a bit slack!

How will this go down in The Red Wall Keith.

LBC caller says her Millwall fan husband booed and her question is whether white people also have freedom of expression before they become a minority (!!!!). KS: “I don’t think it was right to boo.”

— Sienna Rodgers (@siennamarla) December 14, 2020

it's so much worse than the Sienna Rodgers summary, holy shit https://t.co/2l8sCcjUMu

— 𝐀𝐍𝐓𝐈𝐅𝐀 𝐏𝐇𝐏𝐁𝐁 𝐅𝐎𝐑𝐔𝐌 🅰🅳🅼🅸🅽 (@TypingOfTheRed) December 14, 2020

there is a longer transcript here of our brave human rights lawyer just having a friendly chat with a replacement theory adherent with legit concerns that needed to be heard.